FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021 #2

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Well ANN99... You just posed the $64,000 Question. Remember the words from Raide Jadallah, "For every action there is a reaction"? All construction involves figuring out drainage away from a building structure...sewer, landscape, water shed, even the slope of your patios & street gutters, rain gutters, etc. Water, can make life wonderful. Conversely, in the wrong place it can make life a living hell. While most of us would not stay in a hotel with buckets catching water coming from the ceilings or underground parking that was beginning to look like a cave with stalactites and weeping walls... the residents were accepting it as an negotiable condition. "Hey, they had pumps, they were gonna' fix it, they had meetings, they had budgets, they had assessments, they had reports, they had photos, they were diverting water from falling on cars... " Oh geez lahweez!! The handwriting was literally on the walls in capital letters.
I keep thinking about a neighbor who had a huge tree in his yard. Too big, too close. He needed to have it cut down but was complaining about the cost. Speeding down the track of denial, a storm dropped a lot of rain, followed by strong winds. Guess what happened?
But I digress....wonder where the water will flow now?

I was thinking the same thing. Just like that computer graphic that showed the possible domino effect that may have started with compromised concrete columns in the garage area, now that gaping hole filling with water could compromise buildings near it. There is no bedrock, AFAIK, under the buildings.
 
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Searchers recover Surfside victims' possessions, but returning them is complicated (nbcnews.com)

"Sometimes you see something that makes you ponder, like when you find a child's artwork," a police spokesperson said of the recovery effort.

SURFSIDE, Fla. — The building that collapsed in Surfside is unrecognizable: What was a high-rise home to many is now a gray pile of concrete and rebar mixed with the occasional flash of residents' possessions.

While the effort to find the bodies of victims in the deadly collapse is coming to a close, officials said Tuesday, crews continue to recover valuable personal objects from the building's wreckage.

Onlookers watch from the road as excavators scrape off layers of debris. Meanwhile, searchers slowly dig through and continue to retrieve a myriad of personal items from the site — that they've divided into a grid of nine squares — including jewelry, cash, art, firearms and children's toys.

The question that looms over the entire effort, however, is how they will return those objects to their rightful owners and what legal challenges that could create...
 
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Miami-Dade judge approves pursuing sale of Surfside property that is site of condo collapse:


Circuit Judge Michael Hanzman told a courtroom packed with civil attorneys that he wanted to start the process of putting the site of the partially collapsed 12-story Champlain Towers South up for sale immediately. He also wants the court-appointed receiver for its condominium association to begin disbursing millions of dollars in insurance payments to former owners of the 136-unit building.

Hanzman ruled out the possibility of converting the entire Champlain property to a memorial site because any potential sale for that purpose would not generate much money for the victims of the collapse.


“This is a case where there is no amount of money in the world that could account for the loss and suffering of these victims,” Hanzman told about 50 lawyers. “This is going to be an extremely difficult case. This case is going to move at rapid speed.”

The judge also put a class-action case filed against the Champlain condominium association on a fast track and warned lawyers involved in a leadership committee not to expect to receive any contingency fees for their work and that he would consider approving payments for their hourly rate and expenses.



Hanzman said he wanted to “monetize that property” as quickly as possibly so that the victims participating in the class-action case or in individual lawsuits can receive immediate compensation for relocation costs, loss of property and personal injury or death. Since the June 24 collapse of about half of the Champlain condo units, at least 95 people have been declared dead while a dozen more are still missing. Miami-Dade County has led the rescue and recovery efforts at 8777 Collins Ave.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article252754113.html
Hearing Held On Compensation For Surfside Collapse Families
 
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Miami-Dade judge approves pursuing sale of Surfside property that is site of condo collapse:


Circuit Judge Michael Hanzman told a courtroom packed with civil attorneys that he wanted to start the process of putting the site of the partially collapsed 12-story Champlain Towers South up for sale immediately. He also wants the court-appointed receiver for its condominium association to begin disbursing millions of dollars in insurance payments to former owners of the 136-unit building.

Hanzman ruled out the possibility of converting the entire Champlain property to a memorial site because any potential sale for that purpose would not generate much money for the victims of the collapse.


“This is a case where there is no amount of money in the world that could account for the loss and suffering of these victims,” Hanzman told about 50 lawyers. “This is going to be an extremely difficult case. This case is going to move at rapid speed.”

The judge also put a class-action case filed against the Champlain condominium association on a fast track and warned lawyers involved in a leadership committee not to expect to receive any contingency fees for their work and that he would consider approving payments for their hourly rate and expenses.



Hanzman said he wanted to “monetize that property” as quickly as possibly so that the victims participating in the class-action case or in individual lawsuits can receive immediate compensation for relocation costs, loss of property and personal injury or death. Since the June 24 collapse of about half of the Champlain condo units, at least 95 people have been declared dead while a dozen more are still missing. Miami-Dade County has led the rescue and recovery efforts at 8777 Collins Ave.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article252754113.html
Hearing Held On Compensation For Surfside Collapse Families
We need that judge in California.
 
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Widow says talk of permanent memorial to be built at Surfside site disrespectful

“I’m not even 100 percent sure he is going to be found because they looked in his apartment and they only found his brother,” she said.

...for Soriya Cohen, if her husband’s body is never found, she said the area where Champlain Towers South once stood should be considered a holy site and nothing should be built on it.
 
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That would be the garage below level at this time. It is below the pool deck/jacuzzi that that is in the upper left corner.

Question, or clarification. Anyone...
The pool deck was at what would be ground level, but all else underneath was below sea level, including ramps and parking garage, utility rooms??
 
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PTL for Judge Michael Hanzman < 3
 
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@MiamiDadePD

We have identified an additional victim that sadly and unexpectedly lost his life in the tragic Surfside building collapse. Please keep his family and loved ones in your prayers.
 

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THE LATEST: Crews have recovered the body of one more person in Surfside, bringing the death toll from the Champlain Towers South collapse to 96.
 
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Question, or clarification. Anyone...
The pool deck was at what would be ground level, but all else underneath was below sea level, including ramps and parking garage, utility rooms??
https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/do...0-year-re-certification.pdf?sfvrsn=9e2a1194_2

Looking at this trying to find an answer. It appears that the entrance ramp (per pg 11, Note 11) starts at ~6" above sea-level give or take. With a standard pool typically being graded from 3 ft to ~8ft. I'd say the bottom of the water is 8 ft below ground level which is almost at sea level.

ALL my own guesses...
 
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911 calls released


One call from a resident of Champlain Tower South unit 505 came in around 1:25 a.m., describing a panicked scene of neighbors and family members scrambling down blocked staircases and detouring around the flooded parking garage, The caller Louis Tinoco, said was the garage was quickly filling with debris.

Tinoco, his wife and his son John made their way to the second floor, but were still 20 or 30 feet off the ground, the man told a 911 operator. “There are people in the rubble, yelling,” he said…


The calls were released by Miami-Dade police, which is spearheading the investigation into the deaths. Another 11 people remain unaccounted for, police say. The probe into the why the building collapsed is being conducted by National Institute of Standards and Technology, the federal agency that investigated the collapse of New York City’s Twin Towers in 2001.

“Half the building collapsed,” one breathless woman said. “Can someone help me get out please?”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252787758.html

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It's behind a paywall for me..

ETA: maybe I was overthinking.. everytime it comes up to create an account on a newspaper website. I jump to need a subscription.
 
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Searchers recover Surfside victims' possessions, but returning them is complicated (nbcnews.com)

"Sometimes you see something that makes you ponder, like when you find a child's artwork," a police spokesperson said of the recovery effort.

SURFSIDE, Fla. — The building that collapsed in Surfside is unrecognizable: What was a high-rise home to many is now a gray pile of concrete and rebar mixed with the occasional flash of residents' possessions.

While the effort to find the bodies of victims in the deadly collapse is coming to a close, officials said Tuesday, crews continue to recover valuable personal objects from the building's wreckage.

Onlookers watch from the road as excavators scrape off layers of debris. Meanwhile, searchers slowly dig through and continue to retrieve a myriad of personal items from the site — that they've divided into a grid of nine squares — including jewelry, cash, art, firearms and children's toys.

The question that looms over the entire effort, however, is how they will return those objects to their rightful owners and what legal challenges that could create...

I would presume one of the grid squares contain pictures. I wonder what the other three squares would be.
 
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“Half the building collapsed,” one breathless woman said. “Can someone help me get out please?”
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252785913.html

There is only 2 calls that were kind of released. The one quoted above and from resident in room 505. But no link to the actual calls or transcripts in that article unless I missed it.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252787758.html

the reporter at the end of the video said they will have more later
 
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7:12 video by Miami Herald.

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ETA: Corrected link
 
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Engineer probing Surfside collapse 'pissed off' he isn't getting access he needs

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Forensic engineer Allyn Kilsheimer says he needs access to the fallen condo's debris to do the investigation for which he was hired by the Town of Surfside. Police say they are protecting that rubble as evidence.
 
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