FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #2 *Arrest*

[mrsu]

Maybe he didn't want to die, so he stopped (just) before LE stopped him with a bullet?

He was gone though before officers even arrived on the scene at 2:53.

 

[Spellbound]

Different angle of perp walk

I am seeing things but the hair is different ?? No?

https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/florida-shooter-cruz-long-island-1.16781810

if you do a google search of images of NC, it appears to me the hair color changes in different lighting conditions. It does look brighter red in the sunshine of the arrest pic (on the ground), a reddish-brown when in court, and even darker in the mugshot.

IMO

 

[Betty P]

He was gone though before officers even arrived on the scene at 2:53.

Yes, he fired 150 rounds and killed 17 people very, very quickly. Extremely fast. Campus security guards didn't even have time to respond. Some of the students interviewed on CNN today said they had regular drills for this, the last one just a couple of weeks before the shooting. It's a crying shame that children have to attend school and grow up in that kind of security environment, it's bound to affect their generation all their lives. It shouldn't be necessary, IMO.

 

[Cherry]

google has removed image searching from it's search! Grrr.
I use this feature a lot.

 

[Betty P]

if you do a google search of images of NC, it appears to me the hair color changes in different lighting conditions. It does look brighter red in the sunshine of the arrest pic (on the ground), a reddish-brown when in court, and even darker in the mugshot.

IMO

It's just the lighting.

 

[Elley Mae]

Cruz attended Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School from Jan. 13, 2016, to Feb. 8, 2017, according to school records obtained by ABC Miami affiliate WPLG.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-sc...-classrooms-execute-victims/story?id=53112929

Cruz bought the weapon allegedly used in the crime just three days after his last day attending the school, on Feb. 11, and picked it up one week later on Feb. 18, 2017, following a background check, an attorney for the gun store owner said in a statement.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Fully automatic weapons were banned in 1934.

Thank you. It makes sense that part of the context to the ban was the use of machine guns by the Mob,

 

[enelram]

Broward Co. arrest papers I saw said brown hair.

 

[enelram]

For CARIIS- https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/document-cruz-arrest.html

 

[jggordo]

This is probably boring commentary but I believe there is a basic breakdown of our culture. You know the basics we use to have. Like the whole family sitting down at the same table, having dinner together each night. No phones at the table. Proper table manners. COMMUNICATE with each other with respect about the days activities. If someone in the family had special needs the whole family AND neighborhood embraced them to help.

We are now in a culture that when it all goes haywire we look for someone else to blame and look at tragedies in the rearview mirror. Legislators cannot and will not make it illegal to hate and lawful to love.

I grew up next door to an elementary school. After I graduated from college I moved and worked all over the country. My parents kept the house all these years. I moved back home to care for my Mother with Cancer. She passed and I ended up selling the house. It was too sad. Not because of the memories there, but that the school now has chain link fence all around it and razor wire on top. The kids are escorted to the bus or a parent's car by walkie talkie carrying teachers before and after school. The biggest drawback to selling the house was that perspective buyers did not want the "noise" of children playing on the playground.

JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

"He is a deeply troubled young man; a child that has endured significant loss," Gordon Weekes, chief assistant for Broward County's public defender's office, told reporters Thursday. "He fell between the cracks and we have to try to save him now."


Despite the repeated calls to authorities, Cruz was never arrested – and was basically cleared as being “no threat to anyone or himself,” as one therapist said in a police report from Sept. 28, 2016.

In that particular call, the sheriff’s office said Nikolas and his mother were fighting over paperwork needed for him to get an ID card

In their report, deputies detailed how the teen had been harming himself and had talked about buying a gun.

“He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.”

The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/1...fbi-cops-school-but-warning-signs-missed.html

 

[osu]

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said Friday that prosecutors will likely seek the death penalty against Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old shooting suspect in the Florida high school case.

“Anyone who, in general is cold, calculated, premeditated, something that is well thought out, something that is planned, something that is organized in advance, those all weigh very heavily,” Ms. Bondi said on Fox News.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/16/pam-bondi-prosecutor-likely-to-seek-death-penalty-/


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[yurena]

if you do a google search of images of NC, it appears to me the hair color changes in different lighting conditions. It does look brighter red in the sunshine of the arrest pic (on the ground), a reddish-brown when in court, and even darker in the mugshot.

IMO

I think, I could be totally wrong, that either his father or mother were red-haired. My father was red-haired -highly unusual in Spain- and I did not "inherit" it fully. I have the exact same hair colour than this boy. It looks just reddish-brown at night/in the shade and "bright red" tone when in the sunshine.

 

[Elley Mae]

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said Friday that prosecutors will likely seek the death penalty against Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old shooting suspect in the Florida high school case.

“Anyone who, in general is cold, calculated, premeditated, something that is well thought out, something that is planned, something that is organized in advance, those all weigh very heavily,” Ms. Bondi said on Fox News.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/16/pam-bondi-prosecutor-likely-to-seek-death-penalty-/


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I’m thinking that is wishful thinking. I’m thinking not.

 

[osu]

The family he lived with provided crucial information:

Officer: "I just spoke with Nikolas' father. He said he spoke with him and he said he was at a McDonald's by the school -- I'm trying to see what that address is. ..." (Officers provide an address for the nearest McDonald's.)

Officer: "I'm talking to Nikolas' caregiver. We need some units to go to his house. ... He's got a safe with guns, he doesn't know if his wife is OK."

Officer: "I've got bad radio service, I've got the mom. She's 10-4. (OK) I'm going to need a couple extra units out here to secure the house. There's possibly a male in the house, not the suspect. We're trying to talk him out."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/florida-police-dispatch-log/index.html


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[enelram]

"He is a deeply troubled young man; a child that has endured significant loss," Gordon Weekes, chief assistant for Broward County's public defender's office, told reporters Thursday. "He fell between the cracks and we have to try to save him now."


Despite the repeated calls to authorities, Cruz was never arrested – and was basically cleared as being “no threat to anyone or himself,” as one therapist said in a police report from Sept. 28, 2016.

In that particular call, the sheriff’s office said Nikolas and his mother were fighting over paperwork needed for him to get an ID card

In their report, deputies detailed how the teen had been harming himself and had talked about buying a gun.

“He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.”

The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/1...fbi-cops-school-but-warning-signs-missed.html

Somewhere in Cruz's past, he learned that you could solve problems if you had a gun. Where would this type thinking
come from? I'm serious. Is this the way his brain worked to solve problems in your life? Sounds like the same
thinking Adam Lanza had. Is this from psychotropic drugs? Serious disconnect going on here.
So his mother was around when he bought the gun. didn't she see it in his room? didn't she worry about this?

 

[jggordo]

Sorry I lost my own point getting off on the rant. I think if anyone wants to place any blame it should be locally. In other words the neighbors, churches and school administrators who just expelled him out of their lives and sight instead of getting him and his family who was clearly overwhelmed some help.

When I was growing up, the biggest Sin was embarrassing the family or the family name.

JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yes, I agree. Technology probably plays a role, as has availability.

For context, the specific weapon used by this suspect didn't exist in the U.S. until 1964. It is the consumer (civilian and LE) model of a U.S. military weapon designed for jungle warfare in the Vietnam War. So that style of weapon wasn't available for mass-market civilian ownership 50 years ago. Today, MSM quotes experts who say the U.S. market is "saturated."

Twenty years ago, it and weapons like it were unavailable in the U.S. from 1994 to 2004, which hindered its use.

Thirty years ago, a similar weapon was used on 35 people — 34 students and 1 teacher were wounded, another five kids died — in California. Then the whole Luby's thing happened (etc., etc.). Also around that time, the term "going postal" became a real thing. Then state and federal lawmakers began moving to restrict access to and/or ban weapons of this type. Before that, circa 1985, Sen. James A. McClure sponsored, the 99th Congress approved and the president signed Public Law No. 99-308.

Forty years ago, (well, 1975) a well-established major weapon lobby began directly lobbying for and against local and national legislation. But before that, in 1968, the 90th U.S. Congress passed and President Johnson signed into law GCA68, which focused on interstate commerce and mail-order sales of specific weapons. The law was initially prompted by the 1963 assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy.

We had kids with problems like KC 20, 30 and 40 years ago but we didn't have the mass shootings then even though guns were in many homes. What did these kids do back then when they had mental health issues, didn't fit in and/or were bullied? I know what they didn't do. They didn't find a place to fit in on social media. They didn't go to you tube and connect with others with violent tendencies where they could fit in. They weren't glued to their cell phones 24/7 where all it takes is a few taps to watch live violence. Our kids today have traded in their social skills for technology. Don't get me wrong, technology has done great things for our world but unfortunately, IMO it has in many cases, replaced our natural need for human relationships and interaction.

He was probably watching the news on his cell phone while sitting in McDonalds. Gloating over the horror and pain he created.

 

[Spellbound]

google has removed image searching from it's search! Grrr.
I use this feature a lot.

It should still be there, after you type in your search item

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I think the shooter "hung out" around the scene after attacking the school so he could watch and enjoy the chaos he created, and the response to it. I imagine he felt tremendous calm.