FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #2 *Arrest*

[Pamela_Brewer]

Yes, they can.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...d-shooter-nikolas-cruz-january-didn-t-n848681

Then they SHOULD!
IT does not get more SERIOUS than this.
The FBI needs to pay more attention or a new division needs to be established to investigate more thoroughly!
MOO

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[keeleydoll]

Interesting historical note about the 1934 ban. It was very popular and done in response to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago. It also banned silencers, mufflers, etc.

It also required owners of other guns covered in the Act (shotguns & other guns with barrels less than 18" in length) to register them with the US Treasury. It also imposed heavy taxes on the making and transfer of these weapons. They used federal taxes in these kinds of laws back then as a way to more easily convict criminals. (Recall, Al Capone was convicted and jailed for not paying taxes on bootleg alcohol)

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act.


Of course, they didn't have semi-automatic weapons then. Our grandparents & gr grandparents would probably have voted to ban those too. Use of military weapons by civilians on the streets of the US was shocking to them. As a kid, I remember when sawed off shotguns were illegal.

I’m catching up and this may have already been noted, but...

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[BetteDavisEyes]

I'm going to jump in here to say that anything that will help to reduce or stop these school shootings is going to take time to put into effect. In the meantime IMO our schools need to be properly secured or we will continue to see these tragedies. We need more armed guards, fences and metal detectors at our schools now. My God this is so frightening.

Sounds more like prison than school.

Who's going to pay for these features? :thinking:

 

[x_files]

Florida gunman says 'demon voices' told him how to pull off school shooting and police reveal they were called out 39 TIMES to his family home before his mother died last year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...chool-gunman-attack-cops-called-39-times.html

WOW...that's all I can say. It sounds like his mom, family, community, and classmates were begging for help from LE/FBI.

 

[Tillicum]

Sounds more like prison than school.

Who's going to pay for these features? :thinking:

I know it does but if it will help save our children's lives IMO we need to find a way to pay for it.

 

[enelram]

Sounds more like prison than school.

Who's going to pay for these features? :thinking:

This school DID have an armed guard, and had some type of locked barriers that only unlocked because it was time
for school to be let out. Since he was a former student, Cruz no doubt knew this which was why he timed it so.

 

[Tricia]

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:dropmic: :walkaway:

 

[x_files]

Interesting.

This reminds me of when some sleuths here took on the project of locating RSO Facebook pages. There were tons of RSOs who had fb pages!

( "How can I report a convicted sex offender?

Convicted sex offenders aren't allowed to use Facebook. If you've encountered an account that may belong to a convicted sex offender, please report it to us.

Make sure you provide one of the following types of information with your report:

A link to a listing in a national or state sex offender registry
A link to an online news article
A link to a court document

If you aren't able to include this information with your report, we recommend that you ask a local law enforcement representative to contact us so we can take action on your report.

Once we're able to confirm someone's status as a sex offender, we immediately disable their account."

https://m.facebook.com/help/210081519032737?helpref=uf_permalink )

(Eta: Ugh:

Sex offenders are allowed to use all social media, Supreme Court rules
June 19, 2017
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...-social-media-supreme-court-article-1.3260200

Supreme Court says even sex offenders get to use Facebook
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/eva884/supreme-court-says-even-sex-offenders-get-to-use-facebook )

thank you to each and everyone of you that reported RSO on FB!

 

[rosemadderlake]

This is probably boring commentary but I believe there is a basic breakdown of our culture. You know the basics we use to have. Like the whole family sitting down at the same table, having dinner together each night. No phones at the table. Proper table manners. COMMUNICATE with each other with respect about the days activities. If someone in the family had special needs the whole family AND neighborhood embraced them to help.

We are now in a culture that when it all goes haywire we look for someone else to blame and look at tragedies in the rearview mirror. Legislators cannot and will not make it illegal to hate and lawful to love.

I grew up next door to an elementary school. After I graduated from college I moved and worked all over the country. My parents kept the house all these years. I moved back home to care for my Mother with Cancer. She passed and I ended up selling the house. It was too sad. Not because of the memories there, but that the school now has chain link fence all around it and razor wire on top. The kids are escorted to the bus or a parent's car by walkie talkie carrying teachers before and after school. The biggest drawback to selling the house was that perspective buyers did not want the "noise" of children playing on the playground.

JMO

Bbm: Oh gosh, to this day I love the sound of roudy little kids playing in a neighborhood more than anything.

For a time I rented a house across from a high-school, the sound of sports, and laughing kids always made the world feel alive.

It's just such a sad image of a school morphed into looking like a prison.

Yes, I too remember my fam, neighbors, and friends helping special needs kids, too. We were raised to participate not isolate.

And respect for our elders was a biggie, too.

 

[Hraefn]

Correct me if mistaken but I thought the FBI could not do anything under current Law as the threat was not specific enough.

Yesterday's discussion on this was about the Youtube comment. This is new info that a tipster contacted the FBI just last month with more detailed information and name/location of NC.

 

[loveisthemovement]

What could/should have happened when the tip came in to the FBI? Does an agent sit down and have a heart-to-heart with this kid? Could charges be laid? What changes the course so that we don't end up here? Not being snarky, honest question.

How many would-be school shooters have been stopped before they acted in the past? And where are they now?

 

[Bernina]

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:dropmic: :walkaway:

:yourock:

Maybe I've had a disconnect with larger city schools because my kids were lucky enough to have a school district and teachers who basically used similar methods with their students.
I get it now.

 

[x_files]

Juvenile’s.

Their police records are kept in the dark. 30 plus police calls and a clean record when he purchased weapon. Maybe that needs to change, juvenile records forwarded to (NICS) insta-check.

I think juvie records should be forwarded to FBI files and for background checks to purchase guns.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

— [calls show] two erratic and violent boys who repeatedly “threw items,” were “out of control” and fought with their mother and each other on an apparently regular basis.

— According to reports, Cruz and his brother both suffered from mental health issues, including ADHD and OCD, and took medication as treatment

Since it seems both brothers were affected it sounds as though this could well be a genetic problem.

The question then becomes: what on earth does society do with the younger one now?

 

[x_files]

I wonder sometimes why Canada hasn’t had any massive school shootings. What are we doing different? I know guns are harder to get but people who shouldn’t have them, do. Are we doing anything different? I just don’t get it. We have mentally ill youth running rampant in our country as well. We just don’t see this here. (We do have some horrible crimes) is it because we have free health care-including mental health? Our wait times are horrible so it isn’t perfect. But is that one thing? Idk.


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[x_files]

Court lighting and/or hair condition may have made it look darker in court. I doubt he had time to dye his hair while in a jail cell.

Lighting outside makes hair appear brighter. Unless they tinted his hair before his court appearance.

 

[keeleydoll]

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:dropmic: :walkaway:

I love this teacher’s method!


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[x_files]

This is probably boring commentary but I believe there is a basic breakdown of our culture. You know the basics we use to have. Like the whole family sitting down at the same table, having dinner together each night. No phones at the table. Proper table manners. COMMUNICATE with each other with respect about the days activities. If someone in the family had special needs the whole family AND neighborhood embraced them to help.

We are now in a culture that when it all goes haywire we look for someone else to blame and look at tragedies in the rearview mirror. Legislators cannot and will not make it illegal to hate and lawful to love.

I grew up next door to an elementary school. After I graduated from college I moved and worked all over the country. My parents kept the house all these years. I moved back home to care for my Mother with Cancer. She passed and I ended up selling the house. It was too sad. Not because of the memories there, but that the school now has chain link fence all around it and razor wire on top. The kids are escorted to the bus or a parent's car by walkie talkie carrying teachers before and after school. The biggest drawback to selling the house was that perspective buyers did not want the "noise" of children playing on the playground.

JMO

depressing. Sorry for your loss.

 

[x_files]

"He is a deeply troubled young man; a child that has endured significant loss," Gordon Weekes, chief assistant for Broward County's public defender's office, told reporters Thursday. "He fell between the cracks and we have to try to save him now."


Despite the repeated calls to authorities, Cruz was never arrested – and was basically cleared as being “no threat to anyone or himself,” as one therapist said in a police report from Sept. 28, 2016.

In that particular call, the sheriff’s office said Nikolas and his mother were fighting over paperwork needed for him to get an ID card

In their report, deputies detailed how the teen had been harming himself and had talked about buying a gun.

“He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.”

The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/1...fbi-cops-school-but-warning-signs-missed.html

Cutting. self -harm = no signs of mental illness. Someone dropped the ball.
In the 70's you'd be held for involunararily evailuation for attempted suicide.

 

[x_files]

I was thinking she knew about it. Where would he get the money.? They are $800-$1500 depending.

Who gave him the money?!