FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #2 *Arrest*

[epiphany]

I'm interested in learning more about this. Can you provide a link?

Re the FBI:


Can the FBI Be Legally on the Hook for the Parkland School Shooting?

<snip>

(1) The Victims Probably Can&#8217;t Win A Personal Injury Case...

(2) The Victims Probably Can&#8217;t Win A Case For Violating Constitutional Rights...

(3) But, Congress Can Investigate...

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...on-the-hook-for-the-parkland-school-shooting/

 

[x_files]

She actually purchased the guns for him. He had no money and barely left the basement of the house. She apparently felt they were bonding over his love of guns.

"His mother, Nancy Lanza, a gun enthusiast, legally obtained and registered a large collection of weapons and would often take her sons to shooting ranges."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

I find that disturbing. Couldn't they bond over camping instead? or any other outdoor/indoor sport or activity?

 

[Betty P]

Yes. He alone killed all of those people and deserves punishment. I'm not going to get into politics because it's not relevant to anything I've posted.

However, no matter what punishment he receives it will not prevent future mass killings. Holding LE accountable for their failures and wishing for them to never drop the ball like this ever again is my hope. JMO

I agree somewhat. There's only so much LE can do, though. They should have taken away his weapons and locked him up. But they can't prevent people from developing hateful, violent views or from stockpiling lethal weapons of mass destruction to use in slaughtering innocent people. In this one instance there were some warning signs, but unfortunately that's not the case for most of these mass murders.

 

[sds71]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/37...d-him-to-school?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Three students who said they knew the teenager accused of carrying out a deadly school shooting in South Florida this week claim they previously reported him to school administrators, BuzzFeed reported on Saturday.

According to BuzzFeed, the three students - Dana Craig, 16; Matthew Rosario, 16; and Enea Sabadini, 17 - said they reported Nikolas Cruz, 19, to school administrators after he displayed erratic and threatening behavior.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

The defense attorneys that keep referring to him as a "child" in order to garner sympathy are disgusting to me. The repeated references to a 19 year old as a "child" just is appalling. Cruz purposefully entered the freshman building on campus obviously to kill the youngest children on campus and many of those killed were only 14 years old.

The murderer abused his mother from an early age, was violent, had an explosive temper and was a danger to society and should have been put in a Baker Act hold long ago. The social services agencies, the local police and the FBI failed to respond to repeated incidences that he was a threat.

He seems to have none of the tell-tale typical signs of typical autism, i.e., sensory issues, isolation, stimming, language delays, difficulties in executive functioning. Instead he is roaming the community shooting animals, torturing animals, selling knives out of his lunchbox, with each incident escalating to more increasingly violent levels over time, etc.

Lanza seemed to have characteristics associated with autism, but I suspect someone gave Cruz the autism diagnosis in error. Unfortunately I wonder if this supposed diagnosis somehow made the social services agencies and the local police reticent from committing him or arresting him for one of the 39 calls to law enforcement made since 2010. I think that the state should seek the death penalty. The internet postings themselves about the professional school shooter comments indicate he was planning this for months (and perhaps years). Seeking the death penalty will also hopefully deter others from committing similar horrific crimes in the future.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Re the FBI:


Can the FBI Be Legally on the Hook for the Parkland School Shooting?

<snip>

(1) The Victims Probably Can’t Win A Personal Injury Case...

(2) The Victims Probably Can’t Win A Case For Violating Constitutional Rights...

(3) But, Congress Can Investigate...

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...on-the-hook-for-the-parkland-school-shooting/

Thanks for the link. It reinforces my understanding that LE doesn't have a duty to protect citizens.

The problem here is that it’s pretty clear that the victims have no constitutional right to police protection, which the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 was the case in Castle Rock v. Gonzales in 2005. The Gonzales case drew upon the 1989 case of DeShaney v. Winnebago County, which held that social services workers had no constitutional duty to protect a boy from his father’s beatings.

 

[CARIIS]

The defense attorneys that keep referring to him as a "child" in order to garner sympathy are disgusting to me. The repeated references to a 19 year old as a "child" just is appalling. Cruz purposefully entered the freshman building on campus obviously to kill the youngest children on campus and many of those killed were only 14 years old.

The murderer abused his mother from an early age, was violent, had an explosive temper and was a danger to society and should have been put in a Baker Act hold long ago. The social services agencies, the local police and the FBI failed to respond to repeated incidences that he was a threat.

He seems to have none of the tell-tale typical signs of typical autism, i.e., sensory issues, isolation, stimming, language delays, difficulties in executive functioning. Instead he is roaming the community shooting animals, torturing animals, selling knives out of his lunchbox, with each incident escalating to more increasingly violent levels over time, etc.

Lanza seemed to have characteristics associated with autism, but I suspect someone gave Cruz the autism diagnosis in error. Unfortunately I wonder if this supposed diagnosis somehow made the social services agencies and the local police reticent from committing him or arresting him for one of the 39 calls to law enforcement made since 2010. I think that the state should seek the death penalty. The internet postings themselves about the professional school shooter comments indicate he was planning this for months (and perhaps years). Seeking the death penalty will also hopefully deter others from committing similar horrific crimes in the future.

Baker act is 24 36 hours there is no such thing anymore as long term residential

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

does not exist

sorry

 

[x_files]

There has been not any of NC Doctor who where directly responsible for his mental or medical conditions have shared what he was diagnosed with or without. So to speculate he had autism from what a neighbor has said is not proof. But was has been said is what raises more flags is his Cruelty to animals. The killing began with the squirrels. As a fourth-grader, Nikolas Cruz would try to bloody them with his pellet gun. Then he started going after chickens.
By the time Cruz was a teenager, he was sneaking into his neighbors’ yard across the street and trying to get his dogs to attack their baby potbelly pigs.
One resident watched him take long sticks to rabbit holes, ramming them down as hard as possible to kill any creatures trapped inside.
Since the 1970"s, research has consistently reported childhood cruelty to animals as the first warning sign of later delinquency, violence, and criminal behavior.* In fact, nearly all violent crime perpetrators have a history of animal cruelty in their profiles.* Albert deSalvo, the Boston Strangler found guilty of killing 13 women, shot arrows through dogs and cats he trapped as a child.* Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold boasted about mutilating animals for fun.

I wonder what his parents did to seek treatment? Why was he left alone unsupervised after the first attempt to harm animals?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree somewhat. There's only so much LE can do, though. They should have taken away his weapons and locked him up. But they can't prevent people from developing hateful, violent views or from stockpiling lethal weapons of mass destruction to use in slaughtering innocent people. In this one instance there were some warning signs, but unfortunately that's not the case for most of these mass murders.

I'm not saying that LE will prevent all future mass killings if the LE officers who did poorly in this case are fired. But I think it will help. JMO

 

[Betty P]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/37...d-him-to-school?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Three students who said they knew the teenager accused of carrying out a deadly school shooting in South Florida this week claim they previously reported him to school administrators, BuzzFeed reported on Saturday.

According to BuzzFeed, the three students - Dana Craig, 16; Matthew Rosario, 16; and Enea Sabadini, 17 - said they reported Nikolas Cruz, 19, to school administrators after he displayed erratic and threatening behavior.

From news reports, it sounds like the school did all it could. They expelled him so he would no longer be a danger to students. They continued to have good security at the school and rehearsed drills in the event of such an incident. But NC outwitted them. It would have been better had he not been allowed access to deadly weapons, especially the AR-15, a weapon specifically designed for military combat - killing as many people as possible in a short period of time.

 

[HMSHood]

The defense attorneys that keep referring to him as a "child" in order to garner sympathy are disgusting to me. The repeated references to a 19 year old as a "child" just is appalling. Cruz purposefully entered the freshman building on campus obviously to kill the youngest children on campus and many of those killed were only 14 years old.

The murderer abused his mother from an early age, was violent, had an explosive temper and was a danger to society and should have been put in a Baker Act hold long ago. The social services agencies, the local police and the FBI failed to respond to repeated incidences that he was a threat.

He seems to have none of the tell-tale typical signs of typical autism, i.e., sensory issues, isolation, stimming, language delays, difficulties in executive functioning. Instead he is roaming the community shooting animals, torturing animals, selling knives out of his lunchbox, with each incident escalating to more increasingly violent levels over time, etc.

Lanza seemed to have characteristics associated with autism, but I suspect someone gave Cruz the autism diagnosis in error. Unfortunately I wonder if this supposed diagnosis somehow made the social services agencies and the local police reticent from committing him or arresting him for one of the 39 calls to law enforcement made since 2010. I think that the state should seek the death penalty. The internet postings themselves about the professional school shooter comments indicate he was planning this for months (and perhaps years). Seeking the death penalty will also hopefully deter others from committing similar horrific crimes in the future.

My impression of Cruz is a resentful and hate filled.

 

[CARIIS]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/37...d-him-to-school?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Three students who said they knew the teenager accused of carrying out a deadly school shooting in South Florida this week claim they previously reported him to school administrators, BuzzFeed reported on Saturday.

According to BuzzFeed, the three students - Dana Craig, 16; Matthew Rosario, 16; and Enea Sabadini, 17 - said they reported Nikolas Cruz, 19, to school administrators after he displayed erratic and threatening behavior.

There is nothing they can do there is no money where are they gonna put him?

The expelled him cause they were petrified

see virginia massacre dude history oh my god

and james holmes batman ugh

and roger eliot there is no where to put them the parents were affluent and educated they called the system that day and they did not do anything there is nothing to do

$$$$

I lived this for 17 years

no $$$

no such thing as long term facilities anywhere

google it

 

[HMSHood]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/37...d-him-to-school?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Three students who said they knew the teenager accused of carrying out a deadly school shooting in South Florida this week claim they previously reported him to school administrators, BuzzFeed reported on Saturday.

According to BuzzFeed, the three students - Dana Craig, 16; Matthew Rosario, 16; and Enea Sabadini, 17 - said they reported Nikolas Cruz, 19, to school administrators after he displayed erratic and threatening behavior.

There is nothing they can do there is no money where are they gonna put him?

The expelled him cause they were petrified

see virginia massacre dude history oh my god

and james holmes batman ugh

and roger eliot there is no where to put them the parents were affluent and educated they called the system that day and they did not do anything there is nothing to do

$$$$

I lived this for 17 years

no $$$

no such thing as long term facilities anywhere

google it

What a Charlie Foxtrot!

 

[x_files]

Would be nice, wouldn't it? I am sure that when it comes to the many who encountered this young man, they did what they could legally do. I am as appalled as anyone else is about this shooting. But, I want to say that we have had plenty of egregious behavior and horrifying events in this country. There are lawmakers who are not held accountable. Leaders not held accountable. If the school expelled NC and that was the most they could do legally, why should they be dragged through the mud? We as voters and taxpayers need to be accountable for the budget requests we withhold, for the lack of services provided by our schools and public mental health providers and on and on. There may have been missed opportunities here but I can guarantee all of us that when we don't provide funds, laws, and systems to help LEO, first responders, school professionals, publicly paid mental health professionals, we should all be fired as well. It is expensive to have metal detectors and armed police, social workers, school counselors, mental health workers, CPS professionals (the most underpaid providers with the highest stress of most civil professionals) and prevention programs. Can we all handle what it costs to make a dent? Hell, teachers in many classrooms have to spend out of pocket to buy supplies.......

It seems no is accountable. And no one in his life could/would do anything to thwart his plot/plans or remove his guns.

 

[Betty P]

There is nothing they can do there is no money where are they gonna put him?

The expelled him cause they were petrified

see virginia massacre dude history oh my god

and james holmes batman ugh

and roger eliot there is no where to put them the parents were affluent and educated they called the system that day and they did not do anything there is nothing to do

$$$$

I lived this for 17 years

no $$$

no such thing as long term facilities anywhere

google it

Yes, it's been this way for decades. Violent (and some non-violent) mentally ill people end up being handled by the criminal justice and penal system. That said, NC was an evil, hate filled person who was still capable of changing his ways and living a productive life. He had good opportunities, a good home, many financial, health care and educational resources at his disposal. A lot of people tried to help him. He just made bad choices.

 

[x_files]

I'm reserving my sympathy for Cruz. He was an evil, hate filled person who planned for a very long time to kill students and law enforcement officers.

His social media profile is appalling, disgusting. It's filled with disgusting, violent rants expressing extreme racism, anti-Semitism and bigotry, along with his desire to kill the people he hated so much.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting-suspect/index.html



He's a vile, hateful person who deserves no sympathy. He grew up with a loving mother in a home valued at over $500,000. He attended good schools, special classes, made decent grades and had financial resources and support that most kids in the US only dream of. He had every opportunity to do something good with his life. Instead, he chose to become a hate-filled, violent person who took out his anger on a bunch of innocent kids, teachers and coaches.

He should feel lucky to be able to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. Let him rot there, IMO.

Series of police reports reveals Nikolas Cruz was abusive toward mom, regularly lashed out at home


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...al-nikolas-cruz-abusive-mom-article-1.3826633

It's too bad she couldn't have put him into an instution. Why submit to daily abuse/violence?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I am holding Nikolas Cruz accountable for those deaths. He alone, meticulously planned and executed mass murder of 17 innocent people. He is pure evil personified and I'm shocked that anyone would want to blame others for his horrible acts.

There's no justification in people letting him off the hook simply because of his political views.

Nobody is giving him a pass. But neither should officials who were given specific information on him and the threat he posed, and in violation of their own agency rules did not act on that information, be given a pass.

That is inexcusable. This could have been prevented.

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[x_files]

I grew up about 10-15 minutes from Parkland. I’ve frequented that area, as I had many friends that lived there. Now I live in Broward County, Fort Lauderdale. As everyone else is, we are absolutely shaken up. Anywhere I go, it’s being talked about. People are visibly upset, shocked, and scared. I know this is always said, but I never thought it’d happen here. No one did.
The fact that multiple warnings signs and calls/tips went ignored is extremely disheartening. Now that social media is so prevalent in almost everyone’s life, it has become not only a place where warning signs can become revealed, but also a great source for evidence. Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc need to have a better reporting system, that is taken seriously. People tend to say things online that they wouldn’t normally say, but as someone earlier stated- there needs to be repercussions. Most often after a shooting, there is a digital footprint left by the suspect, warning signs. I noticed earlier this week, when I tried to report something on Facebook that you aren’t able to write anything about your issue, or send them a screenshot or anything. So you have to pick from their preset options. What I was trying to report, wasn’t a direct comment made by the individual or a post, but it was a series of screenshots of a conversation between 2 people and the one who posted it was not the issue, it was the other person in the screenshotted conversation. I don’t know how reporting things works, so I didn’t want to report the persons comment of posting the pictures, since they didn’t do anything wrong. But since social media is often times very telling, the whole reporting system needs to be beefed up, as well as shared between different agencies. If the YouTube comment about being a professional school shooter were shared with Broward officers, perhaps one of the times they were called to the residence, a different course of action would’ve been taken. When someone close to Cruz called the FBI to report a tip- in a perfect world- they could’ve pulled up all of his information in one place, this information sharing system. So they have a tip from a source close to him, multiple alarming comments online, several guns, history of violence and killing animals, an expressed interest in school shooting, his disciplinary actions at school including the fact that he wasn’t allowed to bring a backpack to school at one point (think about that, not allowed to bring a backpack to school), history of mental health with stopped treatment (violation of HIPAA, I know), a previous called in tip to the FBI, etc etc..and a cookie cutter profile becomes crystal clear of someone who is extremely likely to commit a violent crime. As far as where to go from there in my perfect world, I don’t know- but I think this idea of an information sharing system could have the potential to uncover many planned attacks.
Sorry this is so long &#128556;

If you see something on FB don't bother reporting to FB, they simply do NOT care. Call LE/FBI instead.
I reported a threat to shoot up an elementaty school by a Neo-Nazi, they told me It was acceptable within community standards.

 

[epiphany]

<snip> Lynda Cruz called police to their home on January 15, 2013, records show...The mother told police her son had a "history of developmental and learning disabilities," was "increasingly irate" and suffered from ADHD.

Police placed the teen in handcuffs and sat him in the back of the police car as cops interviewed his mom. [NB], a counselor from the nearby Henderson Behavioral Health facility, where Cruz was a client for years, arrived at the home and "gave Nikolas his prescribed medication." The boy soon "began to calm down and cooperated."

Based on that fact and that he "did not make any threats of harm to him or others," the report said, [NB] advised that it was unnecessary to invoke a Florida law allowing police to put a mentally ill person in custody.

"A Baker Act was not needed," the report said.

<snip> Broward County Sheriff's deputies were called to the Parkland, Florida, home four days after Cruz's 18th birthday...

The responding officer wrote that Cruz's therapist from Henderson, [JB], was "on the scene at the home and deemed Nikolas to be no threat to anyone or himself at this present time."

An investigator with the Florida Department of Children and Families, [BT], was also there to check on the teen's well-being.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/florida-shooter-cruz-records-police-calls-to-home-invs/index.html


This mother was calling the cops for help with him up until a few days after he turned 18 yo. Some reports have claimed they were at the home over 30 times! Also, this local mental health clinic did not appear to back mom up nor attempt to address his most serious issues, his violent outbursts & behavior, prior to his turning 18.

Not much more that mother could possibly do in my mind than what she had done!

 

[x_files]

We need to open juvenile records

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absolutely AGREE! I knew a gun-obsessed kid who was in juvie for molesting children. He was later allowed to work in his mother's daycare. His mother KNEW he molested children, infants, hired him back after a short sprint in juvie! He molested more kids and set the victim's house on fire for telling on him. oh, here's another kicker he also was a volunteer fire fighter!