FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[x_files]

Well, exactly. Especially if you are armed with assault weapons.

or even a knife or object. Throwing chairs at teachers for example. Erratic, violent behavior is frightening.

 

[margarita25]

I've got a question if anyone is interested in lending some input.

In your opinion, what specific ways might a mass shooter like this differ from a random serial shooter who targets individual victims over a period of time, as in the case of the Nothern Colorado Shootings, in which a driver, pedestrian, and bicyclist were each targeted. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

(Link to NOCO shootings in my signature for reference, we are on thread 4 and almost 3 years unsolved.)

 

[MsFacetious]

Was there a published obituary in the local paper? What was date?
I wonder if people just did NOT know she'd died. You have to pay to have them published and maybe the 2 ex-neighbors didn't want to bother or maybe they didn't want outsiders to know and interfere, if they had a plan to
handle the boys and the estate $$$.

This is my current theory. I think it was kept a secret so that these people could take advantage of the boys. I hope Zachary will surprise everyone and be a great success.

or even a knife or object. Throwing chairs at teachers for example. Erratic, violent behavior is frightening.

Yes, he would need a weapon of some kind to be intimidating or scary. However it's certainly possible for a small guy to still be intimidating, scary and dangerous. It's all in how determined and disturbed he is.

 

[HMSHood]

Is there a written report somewhere to LE that he held a gun to someone’s head? I know that people talked about it, but is there an actual complaint from a victim to LE?

He is 5’7” which is exremely small for a male. Were any of his agressions taken seriously? People do fight and nothing happens. No charges are ever filed.

Which charges would result in a felony?

That is what always get me. So many calls to the police and he was never arrested.

I wonder if Nikolas Cruz's biological parents have been identified.

I wonder if there are any Nikolas Cruz's handwriting.

 

[enelram]

That is what always get me. So many calls to the police and he was never arrested.

I wonder if Nikolas Cruz's biological parents have been identified.

I wonder if there are any Nikolas Cruz's handwriting.

I haven't seen any mention of his bio parents. Supposedly NC's Mom said the bio Mom was a drug addict. Posters
here speculated she may have been prostituting to get drugs in which case maybe she didn't know who dad was.

NC was shown in court signing some papers. Other than that I haven't seen any handwriting.

 

[enelram]

Something else to consider about NC: We don't know how long he had most likely been OFF his drugs for ADHD
or any of his other problems. We know he told one counselor he didn't like to take medications, so maybe he's
been off his meds for months or longer. Wonder if we will ever know what he had taken?

 

[enelram]

I've got a question if anyone is interested in lending some input.

In your opinion, what specific ways might a mass shooter like this differ from a random serial shooter who targets individual victims over a period of time, as in the case of the Nothern Colorado Shootings, in which a driver, pedestrian, and bicyclist were each targeted. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

(Link to NOCO shootings in my signature for reference, we are on thread 4 and almost 3 years unsolved.)

I don't know but maybe look up the psych. profile of Malvo- the DC Sniper. Isn't that how he operated? He was
angry about his wife divorcing him and taking the kids and he was pretty much all alone in the world- which led him to take on his jr. partner.

 

[cujenn81]

I've got a question if anyone is interested in lending some input.

In your opinion, what specific ways might a mass shooter like this differ from a random serial shooter who targets individual victims over a period of time, as in the case of the Nothern Colorado Shootings, in which a driver, pedestrian, and bicyclist were each targeted. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

(Link to NOCO shootings in my signature for reference, we are on thread 4 and almost 3 years unsolved.)

I [personally] think it depends on the location of the mass shooting event in some instances. For example, in this case -- I think NC chose to carry out the attack at his old school because he associated it with negative circumstances that were beyond his control and did not end well for him (the breakup with his ex-girlfriend, the fighting, his involuntary transfer to an alternative school, etc.).

In Newtown, CT, I think Adam Lanza chose to attack the elementary school because he honestly believed that society is failing our children and we're all doomed. In other words, he removed himself from society (quite literally) for so long that his perception of the world was incredibly distorted.

Those two examples are prime examples of "injustice collectors".

For other mass shooters, [Dark Knight Rises shooter, Las Vegas shooter] I think it's less about the SPECIFIC location and more about choosing a location that traps people or would be difficult to flee unscathed. It's about killing as many people as possible and the desire to feel in control and all powerful by seeing the panic and chaos he's caused on the faces of his victims.

As far as serial shooters go - I think they have an urge to kill someone and those they choose to kill are merely victims of opportunity. Unfortunately, the victims are simply in the wrong place at the right time.

This is all just IMO, obviously.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Parkland school shooting survivor David Hogg calls for spring break boycott of Florida

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...g-david-hogg-spring-break-20180224-story.html

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

(story updated today, apologies if it's already been posted and I missed it.)

Broward Sheriff’s Office investigates allegations that multiple deputies stayed outside during the Parkland massacre
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ter-parkland-massacre/?utm_term=.25dba8e636b0

 

[kaen]

What is wrong with people?

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/02/florida-shooting-survivor-gets-nra-death-threats-on-facebook.html

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What is wrong with people?

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/02/florida-shooting-survivor-gets-nra-death-threats-on-facebook.html

Oh my goodness, Kaen. I have no words, so I’ll just repeat yours. Indeed, WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? So sad. [emoji21]

 

[Doghairrules]

Yea, at least he should have been Baker acted and held involuntarily. Seems like him threatening to kill other students should have been enough for that.

And if it’s not, it seems like that needs to change. Of course, we will also need more psych beds.

 

[Tillicum]

What is wrong with people?

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/02/florida-shooting-survivor-gets-nra-death-threats-on-facebook.html

I don't condone the actions taken against these student survivors but I was afraid this would happen. Unfortunately some of these students didn't realize that their pre - shooting social media could still be found after they deleted it. I personally didn't appreciate the threats and filthy name calling.

 

[Gooddeeds]

This is my current theory. I think it was kept a secret so that these people could take advantage of the boys. I hope Zachary will surprise everyone and be a great success.QUOTE]


Agree completely! In my opinion it is obvious but there should be more evidence surfacing about this in the near future.

 

[Gooddeeds]

What is the protocol when an unmarried couple adopt, in regards to joint custodial, decisions and responsibilities? Is there a specific protocol or is it as per how the individuals personally designate it, both named individuals on the documents?

What would take place when the couple decides to marry a few years later? A filed documented addendum?

TIA and cliff note version response requested.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Lynda Marie Kumbavotich***Listed Croatia*** Birthplace New York

Born to Nikola Kumbavotich of Serbia and Gloria Campos Kumbavotich of Puerto Rico

One sibling. Brother- Nikola Jr, born in 1950, died in 2015. Has 5 children, 7 grands

Stepmother- Elsie Bernal Kumbavotich died in 2004

Ex husband: Robert Seda, marriage in 1968 (Lynda Marie Seda)

Husband: Roger Cruz, marriage in 2002. Death in 2004 (Lynda Marie Cruz)

Nikolas Jacob Cruz: child born 1998
————Cruz: child. Name is not listed, says ‘private’

If the genealogy is correct they were married only 2 years.

Does anyone know why there would be one child listed by full name and the other as ‘private’ Cruz? I understand it is this way in the case of ‘ex’ spouses, but I haven’t seen it before in the case of children or siblings.

 

[kaen]

Does anyone know why there would be one child listed by full name and the other as ‘private’ Cruz? I understand it is this way in the case of ‘ex’ spouses, but I haven’t seen it before in the case of children or siblings.

Adoption may not have been finalized yet is one reason I can think of. If they had failed to get relinquishments, then the process may not have been complete.

 

[Safeguard]

I think, to a lot of people who don't own guns, weren't raised around them, and have little first hand knowledge about them, guns are big scary weapons of destruction, often used to kill people.

To those more comfortable and familiar with guns, they are tools. Used to protect yourself, your family, livestock, personal property, as well as hunting and recreation.Responsible gun owners would not think of using their guns to murder people, any more than those of us who own butcher knives, or chainsaws would think of using those tools to kill people.

It seems to me that both sides of the equation, are so entrenched in their passionate opinions, that reasonable compromises are unable to be reached.

It's like both sides shout each other down, and the kids are caught in the crossfire.

My daughter is a seventh grade student. Right now, in the current social climate, I don't give a good GD about 2nd amendment rights. I want my child to survive her school day.

IMO there are several reasons why these 17 lives were lost, and the number one reason on my list would be complacency. "Not here, not in our school community" We have *programs* We don't arrest! We redirect!

Nikolas cruz shouted from the rooftops, that he was going to shoot up his school. He announced his intent, he published photo evidence of his capability on SM, he was reported, again, and again and again, and still... complacency reigned supreme.

Last year, there was several Bomb threats called into my child's school. ( A man was eventually arrested for calling hundreds of bomb threats into schools across MA.). on those days, I would receive an automated message that there was a threat, and that the school had been swept from top bottom and cleared. I would find it totally unacceptable, if school officials had received the information that MSD school had about NC and not alerted parents, and informed them of steps that were being taken, if any, to safeguard the students from this threat.

There were failures on every level, that allowed this tragic loss of life. Would it really be too much to to ask of the gun proponents to allow some restrictions to the availability of assault weapons? I would beg of you, as a mom to a wonderful, beautiful young woman, whom is dearly loved, to please consider that not everyone who enjoys our constitutional right to own weapons is responsible enough to do so.

While I appreciate our constitutional rights greatly, and I don't want them infringed apon in the slightest, I would say that NC was a mass murderer in the making and a plethora of people knew it. If he had not had access to they type of weapon he had, OR something had been done to prevent his freely moving about in society, this tragic loss of life could have been prevented.

IMO both of these measures are necessary NOW.

So... This is my plea, as a parent, not a democrats stricken with malignant altruism, don't make it easy to get an assault rifles. Have mercy.

 

[Peculiar]

Great in-depth article about the life of Nikolas Cruz.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...hooting-nikolas-cruz-life-20180220-story.html

Things to note, BBM.:

When Nikolas was 5, he was in the den with his father. His mom was in the kitchen, the friend said.
”Nikolas came down the hallway and he went to his room, and he was crying. She said, ‘What’s the matter, did Daddy punish you?’ Just as clear as day, he said, ‘Nope. Daddy’s dead.’ ”
...
He had been diagnosed with a string of disorders and conditions: depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, emotional behavioral disability and autism, records from the state Department of Children and Families show. His mom told sheriff’s deputies he also had obsessive-compulsive disorder and anger issues.
...
“He is very concerned about his grades and how he is doing academically in class,” the school report reads. “Nikolas at times will be distracted by inappropriate conversations of his peers if the topic is about guns, people being killed or the armed forces. He will also engage in the conversation,” the report says, going on to note that “Nikolas benefits from verbal praise and positive reinforcements.”
...

One day, she noticed him holding his crotch during class.
“I looked close and I saw he was holding a dead bird near his genitalia,” Hemans said. “I saw some feathers and I knew it was a bird. That was disturbing. But I just looked away because it wasn’t my business.”

This is purely speculation and based on MOO. But, I'm trying to understand Nikolas Cruz's mindset and connect and possibly explain some stuff as best as possible. Do you all think that it is possible that Cruz's obsession with death stemmed from finding his father dead? I could see that very easily traumatizing him and causing his obsession. Would possibly explain the weird incidents with dead birds and being so interested in death in general.? Any opinions?