FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[jjenny]

Sorry Cariis, I should have been more clear. I was agreeing with all you said. Regarding FASD comments I was speaking to our generic audience of 'you'. You have convinced me, he is a very sad, lonely, broken soul. always has been.
The rest of us should be grateful we were born with a fully functioning brain. this poor guy had no choice in the matter.

Everybody else in the world has a fully functional brain except for that one guy?

 

[jjenny]

Great information about alcohol and drug use during pregnancy and the lifelong effects on fetal development.
Notice how many times the term "brain damage" is used here. Brain damage, how would any adoptive parents
know what they were getting? Lifelong brain damage.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262892/

Presumably nobody is making anyone to adopt. If birth mother drinks or uses drugs, they adoptive parents should be expecting there could be issues with the fetus.

 

[jjenny]

These to me would signal the need to look further for the well being of the individual, even prior to viewing digital sources:

Recent mother’s death
Noticeable depression
No parents or extended family
Guns
Former homeowner had an issue with him over his guns
Unresolved $2900 issue between he and the homeowner

The people who took him -even after what happened the man claims it was NC's right to own guns, specifically AR-15, and he hasn't changed his mind about it. They also didn't even know how many guns NC have.

"You thought it was fine for a 19-year-old to have an AR-15?"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-snead-host-family-speaks/

 

[grammieto5]

Perhaps $30m would be better spent on mental health services?

Maybe the money could come from more domestic aid, less foreign aid.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Presumably nobody is making anyone to adopt. If birth mother drinks or uses drugs, they adoptive parents should be expecting there could be issues with the fetus.

Assuming the agency handling the adoption is honest with the prospective adoptive parents about the problems the child may or does have. Here in the UK there have been a significant number of documented cases where social services knew about the very serious problems a baby or child had but deliberately withheld that information in order to push the adoption through, only to have the adoption break down later or for the adopted child to tear apart the adopters' existing family.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Maybe the money could come from more domestic aid, less foreign aid.

Just a thought, we might spend less on foreign aid if we pull back the vastly increased spending on America’s war machine. Win-win?

Tbh, I’m not a proponent of changing the 1961 Foreign Assistance Act.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-does-us-spend-its-foreign-aid

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Presumably nobody is making anyone to adopt. If birth mother drinks or uses drugs, they adoptive parents should be expecting there could be issues with the fetus.

Adoptive parents often know little, if anything, about the birth parents. iirc, it’s often protected information.

 

[enelram]

Assuming the agency handling the adoption is honest with the prospective adoptive parents about the problems the child may or does have. Here in the UK there have been a significant number of documented cases where social services knew about the very serious problems a baby or child had but deliberately withheld that information in order to push the adoption through, only to have the adoption break down later or for the adopted child to tear apart the adopters' existing family.

I hope LE investigates the adoption process involved here. I remember some years back there were attorneys arranging private adoptions for $$$. Don't know if any agencies were involved at all. Maybe this is what happened here and maybe by the time the Cruz's found out they had been given brain damaged babies, it was too late to
rescind the legal adoption. Could be why mom tried to give children away when they were 4-6.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Look at it another way.

Most of the guests at his resort are will be wealthy and probably Republicans voters.

It's the Republicans who need to be engaged in a new way with and won over to the gun control cause.

From what I understand the school is in a wealthy (and probably Republican) area, and many of the students who witnessed and survived the attack would likely have ended up as Republican voters.

There's little need to talk to Democrat voters and influencers about gun control because they are already pretty much on board.

But opening up a dialogue with ordinary Republicans might, just might, be what tips the balance. Maybe not today or even this year, but maybe in a few years.

The rules here are to attack the post and not the poster. So here goes.

This post deeply saddens me and hurts my heart. I am a Republican but voted for a Democrat for Governor in my state. He was the best person for the job in my opinion and it turned out to be so.

To even imply that Republicans are at fault is wrong, IMO. It makes it sound as if the Democrats are superior people in this post. Not so. We are all people and deserving of respect - no matter what party affiliation, IMO.

I am a parent, grandmother, and most of all a human being that values all life. I love my children as well as my grandchildren, and all young people.

We cannot divide gun safety into party lines. I own a gun. I am not going to give up that right without a tremendous fight. I am almost 68 years old, was in LE for 10 years, and these days have a permit to carry. I do not carry by choice but I do have that right.

I am one of your Republicans who are for much, much stronger gun laws. Anyone under 21 should not be allowed to purchase or legally own a weapon, IMO. AR 15's and other assault weapons should be outlawed, IMO. Private ownership of the AR 15's and other assault weapons became much more popular after the Gulf war. It has snowballed. Prior to that, it was the criminals, gangs, and drug dealers who owned them and did indeed use them. School shooters and people of that mindset have always had deadly weapons and will find a way to have them; illegally if it has to be.

Please, please, please do not place the blame for gun ownership on any political party. It is hurtful and wrong. It is the mentality of the individual owner that is responsible for how that weapon is used.

What has happened in Florida is a tragedy and should not have happened. I have agonized over it and it hurts me deeply for those students and their families.

**Sorry for the long post. I just finally had to speak out. I have finally said what was on my heart to say.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I hope LE investigates the adoption process involved here. I remember some years back there were attorneys arranging private adoptions for $$$. Don't know if any agencies were involved at all. Maybe this is what happened here and maybe by the time the Cruz's found out they had been given brain damaged babies, it was too late to
rescind the legal adoption. Could be why mom tried to give children away when they were 4-6.

Help me understand how that’s relevant to this case? Adopted children come from everywhere, from every type of home and parent, and sometimes they’re even removed by the courts, even immediately after they’re born. I assume adoptive parents understand this fact up front.

Is there any public info on his birth parents? Was he adopted from another family member, or from an agency? Apologies is this was already posted and I missed it!

Sharing some interesting (to me, anyway) info I found online:

Substance Use Disorders and Adoption: Findings from a National Sample
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499473/

Executive Function and Mental Health in Adopted Children with a History of Recreational Drug Exposures
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110459

Adopted kids' drug abuse risk affected by biological family
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...alth/adopted-biological-drug-abuse/index.html

Adopted children at greater risk for mental health disorders
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/13/children.adoption.mental.health/index.html

 

[enelram]

LaLaw-
There is a gun control thread set up here for debating this problem. Maybe take your comments there. ??

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I hope LE investigates the adoption process involved here. I remember some years back there were attorneys arranging private adoptions for $$$. Don't know if any agencies were involved at all. Maybe this is what happened here and maybe by the time the Cruz's found out they had been given brain damaged babies, it was too late to
rescind the legal adoption. Could be why mom tried to give children away when they were 4-6.

Do we know for sure that the brothers are brain damaged, or are we simply assuming they must be because we have to assume there has to be an explanation other than that he's simply a wrong'un?

 

[Isabelle]

This Brit is gobsmacked that this young man would be expected to pay for any treatment considering what he did.

Early on, I heard on CNN the governor or other say that the State would pay for funerals of those killed, but I never heard any mention of assistance with hospital bills and other related costs (you do know that these bill will be way more than funeral costs and could extend for longer periods).

 

[LaLaw2000]

LaLaw-
There is a gun control thread set up here for debating this problem. Maybe take your comments there. ??

I answered a post that was posted in this thread. We have excellent moderators here and should they feel my post should be there then I trust they will place it there or remove mine as well as the one I answered.

MOO

 

[CARIIS]

Do we know for sure that the brothers are brain damaged, or are we simply assuming they must be because we have to assume there has to be an explanation other than that he's simply a wrong'un?

IMO there is def something organic going on
here.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

IMO there is def something organic going on
here.

I second your emotion, CARIIS.

 

[CARIIS]

Help me understand how that’s relevant to this case? Adopted children come from everywhere, from every type of home and parent, and sometimes they’re even removed by the courts, even immediately after they’re born. I assume adoptive parents understand this fact up front.

Is there any public info on his birth parents? Was he adopted from another family member, or from an agency? Apologies is this was already posted and I missed it!

Sharing some interesting (to me, anyway) info I found online:

Substance Use Disorders and Adoption: Findings from a National Sample
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499473/

Executive Function and Mental Health in Adopted Children with a History of Recreational Drug Exposures
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110459

Adopted kids' drug abuse risk affected by biological family
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...alth/adopted-biological-drug-abuse/index.html

Adopted children at greater risk for mental health disorders
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/13/children.adoption.mental.health/index.html

We have to remember we are talking about two decades ago. I am, not sure fetal stuff was all that understand back then.

The fact that she did ask to give them away on the hand is pretty indicative some serious
problems starting very early and being very acute.

The fact that they refused is also indicative
they were quite a handful from the onset.

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if the Snead’s or their son ever saw NC’s Instagram account? Surely anyone seeing that account with all of the photos of his guns and his comments would’ve raised many red flags.
Also, I don’t think it’s been mentioned before, but while I was looking at the screenshots of his Instagram account the other day I noticed he had photos of dead frogs and also a photo of his dog. His post said something like, the frogs killed my dog, so I kill the frogs. I wondered if he did have a family dog that died from from eating a poisonous frog?




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I lived down there they were a problem in S Fl

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

The rules here are to attack the post and not the poster. So here goes.

This post deeply saddens me and hurts my heart. I am a Republican but voted for a Democrat for Governor in my state. He was the best person for the job in my opinion and it turned out to be so.

To even imply that Republicans are at fault is wrong, IMO. It makes it sound as if the Democrats are superior people in this post. Not so. We are all people and deserving of respect - no matter what party affiliation, IMO.

I am a parent, grandmother, and most of all a human being that values all life. I love my children as well as my grandchildren, and all young people.

We cannot divide gun safety into party lines. I own a gun. I am not going to give up that right without a tremendous fight. I am almost 68 years old, was in LE for 10 years, and these days have a permit to carry. I do not carry by choice but I do have that right.

I am one of your Republicans who are for much, much stronger gun laws. Anyone under 21 should not be allowed to purchase or legally own a weapon, IMO. AR 15's and other assault weapons should be outlawed, IMO. Private ownership of the AR 15's and other assault weapons became much more popular after the Gulf war. It has snowballed. Prior to that, it was the criminals, gangs, and drug dealers who owned them and did indeed use them. School shooters and people of that mindset have always had deadly weapons and will find a way to have them; illegally if it has to be.

Please, please, please do not place the blame for gun ownership on any political party. It is hurtful and wrong. It is the mentality of the individual owner that is responsible for how that weapon is used.

What has happened in Florida is a tragedy and should not have happened. I have agonized over it and it hurts me deeply for those students and their families.

**Sorry for the long post. I just finally had to speak out. I have finally said what was on my heart to say.

Thank you for being able to articulate what some of us are feeling.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

[h=1]Florida shooting: Man with Second Amendment tattoo destroys his AR-15 rifle in online video - 'It's a gun like this that takes away lives'[/h]

A Second Amendment supporter has posted a video in which he destroys his AR-15 rifle in response to the Florida school shooting.


Scott Pappalardo said he said he could not live with the idea the child of its next owner might get hold of it and use it to hurt others.


So in a five-minute clip posted to Facebook he used a circular saw to slice the weapon into pieces.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...orida-shooting-scott-pappalardo-a8218926.html