FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[CARIIS]

Agree, I think she may have been attempting to build a case against him. Maybe to support her denial of any involvement over the $2900. Just my speculation.

he must have been inside one of the places for quite a while cause it was like over an hour before causght

wonder how far away he was from the McDonalds when apprehended that would help with some time lines

is the the route one would take to go back to lydas house i posted the timings it was about 45 min by foot but done know if this is the way a logical person would head that way

I started exploring that cause I thought that is bizarre she is dead house is no longer theirs what was his intent if heading to house where mom and he lived

I kinda feel sorry for cop too he was near retirement maybe he was extra concerned about getting killed that close

also don't know was he a school cop for a long time is their protocol to send one school guy in if no one has come

do we know if this was 4 minutes before anyone came c

 

[CARIIS]

https://soundcloud.com/wptv/nikolas-cruz-calls-911-after-confrontation-at-lantana-home

it is right under or above that one

do we know if the school guard had been off the reg force for a long time in terms of riding in cars in the city

i would think you would get a bit rusty if you know what I mean

On the calls there are several references to Downs syn who is this referring to

starting to wonder if if the family system both boys lived in might have some familiarity with le as well

the custudy stuff in that house sounded as if it might be source for some calls

if that was the case LE might also have the notion that this is just kinda normal chaos for that home as well

kicking in walls in mobile homes I would think is quite a racket

as far as we know no neighbors called which might indicate well there go the jones again type of stuff?

they mentioned remington gun are they expensive

 

[Peculiar]

he must have been inside one of the places for quite a while cause it was like over an hour before causght

wonder how far away he was from the McDonalds when apprehended that would help with some time lines

is the the route one would take to go back to lydas house i posted the timings it was about 45 min by foot but done know if this is the way a logical person would head that way

I started exploring that cause I thought that is bizarre she is dead house is no longer theirs what was his intent if heading to house where mom and he lived

I kinda feel sorry for cop too he was near retirement maybe he was extra concerned about getting killed that close

also don't know was he a school cop for a long time is their protocol to send one school guy in if no one has come

do we know if this was 4 minutes before anyone came c

I checked it out. Nikolas was heading in the opposite direction from the Cruz family home. I'll try to take a screenshot from the school to where he was arrested. It wasn't very far from the Walmart. Give me a minute.

Edit: Here's the screenshot. From what I've read, he was arrested at 4700 Wyndham Lakes Dr... but I can't find that address. Only a 4700 Wyndham Lakes Blvd. There is a north and south. The north is about 1 mile from the school, the south is about 2 miles. Articles I've found online say that Nikolas was about a mile from the school when arrested so that's how I decided which address to go with.

The Walmart he went to is pictured. The McDonald's he went to is located in The Shoppes at Heron Lakes area of the map.

 

[Karinna]

I’m at a loss for words too! Its tragic, dark and sad. He never really stood a chance for functionality given the circumstances. He should have been in a school that was a good or best fit possible for his needs. His Mother had no support system to draw from.

Totally agree, so many questions and such a horrendous tragedy all the way around for many people. All the young people that died that day and teachers, and those injured. And NC has lost his life at 19 too, because he will never have the opportunity to make this right. There are no do overs in this.

 

[CARIIS]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...u-think-someone-might-be-mentally-ill/553487/

[FONT=&amp]In a state like Florida, the focus ends up being on whether the person is dangerous to themselves or someone else. That, unfortunately, becomes something of a barrier [to] getting care. The common story you hear from families is, “Obviously something is going on with my son, but every time I tried to do something, they said, ‘Well but he’s not dangerous yet.’”

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Florida has done an inexcusably poor job at funding mental health. They are [/FONT][44th in the nation][FONT=&amp], so it’s hard to get someone engaged in care unless they’re at a point where it’s obvious to everyone that they are sick and really dangerous. The examples you hear is if a person is convinced the CIA is after them and running around and yelling, that’s the level of sickness you need to have in Florida to get engaged in the system.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]When it comes to mental health, every single part of the system is broken. In Florida, [as in much of the United States], you don’t have enough hospital beds.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]There also aren’t enough community services, there aren’t enough psychiatrists. Basically, every angle that you can think of for looking at the system for getting someone care for mental illness is essentially broken in Florida.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]There also aren’t enough community services, there aren’t enough psychiatrists. Basically, every angle that you can think of for looking at the system for getting someone care for mental illness is essentially broken in Florida.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]The simplest thing is we need to take mental illness seriously. We need to get rid of outdated federal laws that say Medicaid can’t be used to reimburse for hospital stays if it’s because you’re there for a mental illness. We have to invest. We’re not saving any money if we’re letting these issues get this bad.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]


Medicaid only pays for outpatient

HOw does it work where you guys live as it relates to long term treatment?

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[Peculiar]

I checked it out. Nikolas was heading in the opposite direction from the Cruz family home. I'll try to take a screenshot from the school to where he was arrested. It wasn't very far from the Walmart. Give me a minute.

Edit: Here's the screenshot. From what I've read, he was arrested at 4700 Wyndham Lakes Dr... but I can't find that address. Only a 4700 Wyndham Lakes Blvd. There is a north and south. The north is about 1 mile from the school, the south is about 2 miles. Articles I've found online say that Nikolas was about a mile from the school when arrested so that's how I decided which address to go with.

The Walmart he went to is pictured. The McDonald's he went to is located in The Shoppes at Heron Lakes area of the map.

Quoting my own post. So, according to this article (not sure how accurate this is) it shows that Cruz was arrested at 4700 S Wyndham Lakes Blvd.. This article also has a map pictured in it, very similar to the one I took.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...orida-school-shooting/?utm_term=.6533733f4956

 

[bears10]

Furthermore, she reportedly had to sell her house in a short sale. So I would say money issues is not out of the question. Not sure where the supposed inheritance NC claimed he was going to get was going to come from.

Life insurance? A trust set up by the dad before he passed?

 

[enelram]

he must have been inside one of the places for quite a while cause it was like over an hour before causght

wonder how far away he was from the McDonalds when apprehended that would help with some time lines

is the the route one would take to go back to lydas house i posted the timings it was about 45 min by foot but done know if this is the way a logical person would head that way

I started exploring that cause I thought that is bizarre she is dead house is no longer theirs what was his intent if heading to house where mom and he lived

I kinda feel sorry for cop too he was near retirement maybe he was extra concerned about getting killed that close

also don't know was he a school cop for a long time is their protocol to send one school guy in if no one has come

do we know if this was 4 minutes before anyone came c

couple things: Scott Peterson school resource officer had been on that job at that school for 5 years.

Early on an article mentioned NC was found 'near' an apartment he lived in w/ his mother.

My gut feelings toward Gold and Deschamps screams taking advantage of these 2 boys financially. They each
have experience w/ LE in their pasts. Cariis's instincts were correct.

 

[Spellbound]

Where is Niks call? I hear RD and the one from her son, but not his.

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well goodness, I made another mistake — sorry once again.

this is Nikolas’ call: https://soundcloud.com/wptv/nikolas-cruz-calls-911-after-confrontation-at-lantana-home

 

[bears10]

Ive been waiting for you to pick up with me on this. See my previous post and 3 or 4 before with the obit for Roger Cruz. Also read #330.

I just couldn’t imagine why the isolation for them since Rogers death, no family or established friendships (community-church, etc) and no one shows up at the funeral...

Can you just come out and say it for the dense people such as myself who aren’t getting it?

 

[Alleykins]

Another copycat threat

 

[Elley Mae]

Two other deputies from the Broward County Sheriff's Office have been placed on restrictive duty as officials investigate "whether or not they could have done more, should’ve done more."

The officers were identified by WSVN as Edward Eason and Guntis Treijis.

Their restricted assignments come as the bureau found it responded to 23 calls regarding Cruz or his brother since 2008. In two of the instances, Col. Jack Dale said, protocol might not have been followed.

Israel said an investigation remains ongoing.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/2...who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html

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Peterson, 54, started working for the Broward County Sheriff's Office in 1985 and since 2009 has been a school resource officer at the high school, appointed to keep the school and its students safe. In 2016, his annual salary was more than $75,600.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...re-sounding-he-should-have-stopped/365122002/

 

[jjenny]

Obviously we know that he is one messed up person. However, I feel some of,the calls to LE are strange. My kids never did these things, but calling LE cuz someone punched the wall?

Calling LE because they snuck out of the house?

I don't see nothing unusual about that. His adoptive mother called police numerous times herself, for some of the similar things.

 

[jjenny]

Thank you so much. This kid was extremely troubled and losing his mom was too much for him to cope with. I keep typing and deleting because no words seem right. This is tragic on so many levels. And there is not one place to point a finger. If this same situation began happening tomorrow, there is still no resources to help prevent it. And the outcome is utter devasation, anger and loss for an entire community of people.

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It's not like he was doing well when mother was alive. She had to call police numerous times on him. His gun purchases also started while mother was alive. If she was still alive I wouldn't be surprised he'd still go shot up the school.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I haven't seen one report suggesting they have the same bio-parents. Most msm reports claim they had the same mother but different fathers. Daily mail actually claimed they are not related at all. Frankly, I find it much easier to believe they are not related than both bio-parents were the same.

It had crossed my mind that since the birth mother was reported to be a drug addict she may well have funded her habit with prostitution, in which case whoever fathered her children was completely random.

 

[grammieto5]

WOW! I have mixed feelings about the officer who did not do what he was trained to do. I wonder why, what happened to him. Some feel teachers should carry guns, teachers who are trained to teach humans not to shoot humans. Some feel bonuses should be given to teachers so they will carry guns. Seriously, if there is money for bonuses why not give teachers a decent salary. My daughter has taught 5th grade for 5 years. She won’t carry a gun, not even for a bonus. She has been in a lock down situation a few times. Very scary!!! The students have been trained to be very VERY quiet. They are not allowed to get up from their desks. It’s just so sad the way our schools have become.

 

[Tawny]

The school officer is an excellent example of why expecting TEACHERS to be armed is absurd af. He was SUPPOSED to be there, armed, to specifically protect those kids and he couldn't. I'm not disparaging the man. It was his lil Glock up against a tactical style rifle. I am disappointed but I don't blame him for that reaction. He's a civilian, he's not a Soldier. Nobody who isn't a highly trained law enforcement officer should ever have to be in that position to begin with, and people are seriously, unironically expecting TEACHERS to take that on.

Where is the logic?

 

[x_files]

WOW! I have mixed feelings about the officer who did not do what he was trained to do. I wonder why, what happened to him. Some feel teachers should carry guns, teachers who are trained to teach humans not to shoot humans. Some feel bonuses should be given to teachers so they will carry guns. Seriously, if there is money for bonuses why not give teachers a decent salary. My daughter has taught 5th grade for 5 years. She won’t carry a gun, not even for a bonus. She has been in a lock down situation a few times. Very scary!!! The students have been trained to be very VERY quiet. They are not allowed to get up from their desks. It’s just so sad the way our schools have become.

The officer would need to be trained in combat and so would the teachers. I hope the armed guard/officer at least called the police for back up!

 

[Elley Mae]

It had crossed my mind that since the birth mother was reported to be a drug addict she may well have funded her habit with prostitution, in which case whoever fathered her children was completely random.

My thought exactly.

 

[Tawny]

The school officer is an excellent example of why expecting TEACHERS to be armed is absurd af. He was SUPPOSED to be there, armed, to specifically protect those kids and he couldn't. I'm not disparaging the man. It was his lil Glock up against a tactical style rifle. I am disappointed but I don't blame him for that reaction. He's a civilian, he's not a Soldier. Nobody who isn't a highly trained law enforcement officer should ever have to be in that position to begin with, and people are seriously, unironically expecting TEACHERS to take that on.

Where is the logic?

To expand on my point here, LEOs ALSO should not have to worry that an aggressor is armed with rifles more powerful than their own.