FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[x_files]

I'm not yet convinced that he was truly hearing "demonic voices" telling him to slaughter his former classmates. This "devil-made-me-do-it" claim may be a cunning ploy on his part in an attempt to mitigate responsibility and garner sympathy - and it seems that his claim has been somewhat successful in terms of creating doubt here on this board regarding his culpability. *Buyer beware* of the possible snake-oil salesman!

According to reports, it appears that he was planning his massacre as long ago as two years. IMO, if "the devil", aka psychosis, is the culprit, he would have committed his atrocious act two years ago, shortly after he declared to whomever at the Dollar Tree that he was going to shoot up the school.

Question: Was his declaration two years ago accompanied by any other symptoms or observable behaviors such as: self-reported delusions or hallucinations, observable incoherent or incomprehensible speech? If not, it's more than likely that he was completely lucid when he made his declaration and was not under the influence of a psychotic episode, IMO.

IME, psychosis-induced actions tend to occur imminently, while under the influence of an acute or transient psychotic episode - not two years later.

The accounts reported by his former classmates (following the break-up with his girlfriend) of his violent death-threats toward his ex-girlfriend & others tell me that his murderous actions were meticulously preplanned. IMO, he was seeking revenge for a collection of perceived wrongs that he had been cataloguing.

Until & unless more convincing evidence is provided regarding his mental state, I'm not currently persuaded that his heinous rampage was due to any alleged or bona fide mental illness.

I'm leaning towards psychopathy until we hear different.

 

[x_files]

He waited outside of the door for 4 minutes? OMG :tantrum:

Did he call for backup or 911 at least?

How could so many people fail to do the right thing?
I understand he was afraid and perhaps rushing towards the shooter was unwise. But no record of a police call to 911?

 

[Elley Mae]

The school officer is an excellent example of why expecting TEACHERS to be armed is absurd af. He was SUPPOSED to be there, armed, to specifically protect those kids and he couldn't. I'm not disparaging the man. It was his lil Glock up against a tactical style rifle. I am disappointed but I don't blame him for that reaction. He's a civilian, he's not a Soldier. Nobody who isn't a highly trained law enforcement officer should ever have to be in that position to begin with, and people are seriously, unironically expecting TEACHERS to take that on.

Where is the logic?

He is/was a cop, a Deputy, 32 years. He failed along with the fbi.

Yes teachers can be trained to shot just like most people can.


Deputy at Florida high school where 17 were killed 'never went in,' resigns
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/...ol-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns

 

[x_files]

I'm pretty sure earlier some people were asking who planned Lynda Cruz's funeral and wondering why nobody else attending besides the Cruz sons, Gold, and Deschamps. Here's an article that may reveal that answer:

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/ne...-police-earlier-he-threatened-guns/365182002/

This quote makes it seem like maybe Rocxanne was the one who planned it. Maybe she didn't invite the extended Cruz family? This is only speculation though.

Paul Gold, Deschamps former boyfriend, took Cruz to his mother’s funeral, which was only attended by Gold, Deschamps and the two Cruz sons. Gold said Cruz seemed more on edge afterward than on his way there.
“He was pissed, pissed at Roxcanne,” he said. “He was very upset nobody showed up to his mother’s funeral. That almost upset him more than her death.”

She died suddenlt of the flu but had the energy to give her son 5,000 before her death? something doesn't make any sense.
Had did she know she was going to die? How did she get to the bank to make a withdrawl?

 

[Tawny]

He is/was a cop, a Deputy, 32 years. He failed along with the fbi.

Yes teachers can be trained to shot just like most people can.


Deputy at Florida high school where 17 were killed 'never went in,' resigns
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/...ol-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns

Thank you for emphasizing my point. He was trained to react to this and he didn't, and we expect a schoolteacher to do better.

 

[Elley Mae]

Thank you for emphasizing my point. He was trained to react to this and he didn't, and we expect a schoolteacher to do better.

Yes, unless for some reason school teachers are unable to pass the shooting course.

 

[Tawny]

Yes, unless for some reason school teachers are unable to pass the shooting course.

No, we're expecting them to be more willing than a trained, professional former LEO to head toward danger and kill a student. Why would a second grade teacher be more prepared emotionally and mentally than someone who worked in law enforcement for decades?

Why do people seem to believe it's easy to make the decision to kill another human?

 

[Elley Mae]

No, we're expecting them to be more willing than a trained, professional former LEO to head toward danger and kill a student. Why would a second grade teacher be more prepared emotionally and mentally than someone who worked in law enforcement for decades?

Why do people seem to believe it's easy to make the decision to kill another human?

Kill or be killed.

 

[Tawny]

Kill or be killed.

It's stupid to ask that of a person who went to college to teach elementary school math. It's not a warzone lol.

 

[Spellbound]

He is/was a cop, a Deputy, 32 years. He failed along with the fbi.

Yes teachers can be trained to shot just like most people can.


Deputy at Florida high school where 17 were killed 'never went in,' resigns
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/...ol-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns

According to students I saw thus morning, the security officer was rarely seen. since he was at retirement age, I wonder if he felt this was an “easy job” and he slacked off. Sort of like the guy who hides kut and reads books where my DH works, and ignores hus duties. just surmising. I have no idea of his work ethic, although I believe he received awards as a good officer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting.html
[srudent]: “He is not someone who has much of a presence” in the school, she said

In February 2016, the sheriff’s office received what it described as “thirdhand information” that Mr. Cruz “planned to shoot up the school” and had posted a picture on Instagram of a “juvenile with guns.” A deputy determined that Mr. Cruz had knives and a BB gun and forwarded the information to the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas High. That was Deputy Peterson.
And in September 2016, a peer counselor at Stoneman Douglas High alerted the school resource officer — likely Deputy Peterson — that Mr. Cruz “possibly ingested gasoline” the week prior “in an attempt to commit suicide and is cutting himself.”

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old article (8 days ago) http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...l-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html
The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff’s deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn’t think he was on campus when the shooting happened.
“I have been told by a couple of sources that the SRO was either called off campus responding to something happening or it could have been his day off,” she said. “They are stretched very thin.”

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html
Peterson held several jobs, including working as a security guard and stock clerk, before he was hired as a sheriff's deputy in 1985, according to his personnel records. He also served in the military, he told the sheriff's office. Peterson, who attended Florida International University, was largely lauded for his performance on the job, including garnering two deputy of the year nominations in recent years, the personnel records show.

 

[Spellbound]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-elusive-after-florida-shooting-idUSKCN1G61G2
Two weeks before a gunman fatally shot 17 people at a Florida high school, Bill Lee, the president of the state’s school administrators association, warned lawmakers that Florida’s schools were vulnerable to just such an attack.

“It’s not a matter of if, but when,” he wrote in the Orlando Sentinel on Jan. 29, urging legislators to boost spending on school security after two school shootings in other states in January. “Florida is one instance away from becoming the next Kentucky or Texas, and we must do something about it.”
Following last week’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, Lee has renewed calls for more funding for matters ranging from mental health counseling to emergency lockdown systems.
State lawmakers, facing pressure from angry students, have signaled they will boost security funding after failing to do so for years.

 

[Elley Mae]

Did I call you stupid? Stop projecting.

I think teachers (college edumacated) should have the option to carry a weapon to protect their pupils.

 

[Tawny]

I think teachers (college edumacated) should have the option to carry a weapon to protect their pupils.

I think it's cold and unsympathetic of America to expect a teacher to have to shoot a child they likely taught.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think it's cold and unsympathetic of America to expect a teacher to have to shoot a child they likely taught.

I don’t.

 

[2Hope4]

This is sad. Having a funeral, and no friends, ,family, acquaintances, church members, social members, neighbors, coworkers, friends of the husband, friends of the kids, NO ONE came?? Was the funeral publicized or was it hidden from others? Was the possible inheritance to the boys a leading factor? This makes no sense at all. I don't think I've ever heard of NO ONE coming to a funeral!

So this may mean that their Mom had NO SUPPORT system at all! No one she could call for help. No male that could act as a father figure? No uncles, no grandparents, NO ONE she could turn to? To vent to? I mean even the best teenagers are teenagers. They can test you daily. You love them, but some days just need to vent. She had NO ONE? Now imagine having sons with mental instability. Who do you turn to? The boys are no longer toddlers you can pick up and place in timeout, or into their bedroom to settle down. They are stronger than you. They have no respect because they've not experienced respect from a male figure in the home. So they start small, telling you they are going to do so and so and you can't stop them. They are right, you physically can't stop them. They see they got away with that, next thing they decide they aren't going to school, or they are going to throw eggs at neighbors. You can *itch and complain, you can ground them, but you truly have no control. You can't make them behave. It keeps esculating until they are physically abusive towards you, and again, they are stronger, you don't want to physically hurt your own child, so what do you do? You call the police, hoping beyong hope their future isn't ruined by a criminal complaint, and that just the police showing up will scare them into behaving. That doesn't work. Now what? You have no one to ask, no one to get advice from. You keep calling the police, nothing changes within the home. You're scared, you're worried, you're living on pins and needles waiting on that next episode, and yet, you're helpless to prevent!

Why was this family so isolated from society? WHY was there no family? Why no support system? What in the world was really going on here, and did this situation cause Nicolas to become who he is, or enforced his weaknesses, or did his behavior alienate the family from everyone? I can't imagine EVERYONE turning their backs on the parents because of a child's behavior. I just can't see it. Did the parents decide to alienate themselves for whatever reasons? If so, WHY?

There was one report saying his brother had been involuntarily committed for psychiatric help after the shooting. Does anyone know where he is now? The boy had no one but his brother, who was troubled himself. Who will be his support system now?

 

[Tawny]

I don’t.

You made that clear already. I'm not sure why you're trying to engage me in a full blown argument, unless it's to get me timed out. Please move along. Thanks!

 

[grammieto5]

No, we're expecting them to be more willing than a trained, professional former LEO to head toward danger and kill a student. Why would a second grade teacher be more prepared emotionally and mentally than someone who worked in law enforcement for decades?

Why do people seem to believe it's easy to make the decision to kill another human?

Absolutely! To end a life is a horrible experience! It is one of the worst things a person can do, whether they are trained to do so or not! If a teacher wanted to be trained to kill someone then they would not have chosen to be teachers. They would have gone into another profession. Hopefully this issue will not become another “stupid” law. Hopefully teachers will have the freedom to choose to carry a gun.

 

[x_files]

Obviously we know that he is one messed up person. However, I feel some of,the calls to LE are strange. My kids never did these things, but calling LE cuz someone punched the wall?

Calling LE because they snuck out of the house?

sounds like NC was extremely out-of-control. Maybe that's not the entire story. Maybe mom was afraid to tell the police everything that was going on.

 

[x_files]

Absolutely! To end a life is a horrible experience! It is one of the worst things a person can do, whether they are trained to do so or not! If a teacher wanted to be trained to kill someone then they would not have chosen to be teachers. They would have gone into another profession. Hopefully this issue will not become another “stupid” law. Hopefully teachers will have the freedom to choose to carry a gun.

I was taking classes to become an art teacher after the uptick of school shootings I no longer pursued teaching in a public school realm. There's no way I would deal with this amount of stress everyday for low wages, no respect.
I fear good teachers will quit in droves and only teach privately.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I think it's cold and unsympathetic of America to expect a teacher to have to shoot a child they likely taught.

I wouldn't mind seeing some 'willing and highly trained' teachers at least have an opportunity to be able to stop a threat like that.

I think it's colder and unsympathetic to let the 'child' slaughter countless other children.

IMO