FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[kittythehare]

Wonderful, empathetic thoughts Kittythehare,

My hinky meter has been pinging all along when I 'sniff' comments from BOTH temporary homes he was in.

When the Snead's Atty. gave his first presser, he commented "There was no shortage of money with this boy".
He knew NC carried cash and had some income etc. So did the Sneads.

I'm suspect of the Deschamps home due to her past 'experience' w/ LE. And also the missing $2900.

There's no way I will believe NC was 'offered' a home in either place, IMO, unless these adults knew he could pay
his way, food, rent, clothes, etc. Neither home was rolling in money, quite the opposite. I'm convinced they thought
this vulnerable youth may be a cash cow for them. Sorry, for being a skeptic but people just don't take in young man
at a troublesome time in his life and not expect to have problems UNLESS he pays his way and you make something
off of him. Deschamps knew he was a problem child, she saw it as a former neighbor. Sneads claim they knew
nothing about NC. Bull hockey. Their son was a classmate, I''m sure he knew stuff. But Sneads told their atty.
'there was no shortage of money". I just don't buy their stories.

Same as that!!!
I wonder whether he knew and whether it contributed to his desperation, abandonment and decision to take the action he did?

 

[Tawny]

If NC is really on the spectrum there is a chance the food was locked up so it wasn't eaten all at once. Speaking from only my experience - my nephew is on the autism spectrum but high functioning. To observe him you'd think he was just a quirky guy. Growing up he was a tornado of activity. He ended up on meds that created an evil cycle of zero appetite to ravenous. His dad ended up locking up their food to not only save it from being inhaled at night but, more importantly, to keep my nephew from basically binge eating. They did eventually get his medications regulated (some are mental health related) so the need to keep the food locked up was something of the past.

I'm certainly not saying this is the case with NC at all. I just want to point out that it's not always an issue of neglect or bad parenting. Each situation is very different.

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I appreciate the perspective. I was speaking from a perspective of NC not being on any spectrum since nothing like that has been stated yet.

 

[enelram]

Same as that!!!
I wonder whether he knew and whether it contributed to his desperation, abandonment and decision to take the action he did?

Well, NC, had his problems but he wasn't DUMB. He knew RD had been messing with his debit card or bank acct.
He knew there was $2900. missing. And why did Mrs. S. excuse that? I thought that was odd.
NC probably did realize his life was upside down and the future wasn't looking so great and everyway he turned was
more problems, more trouble, more situations that in his child like mind he couldn't get out of the cycle.
He was a helpless little boy in a grown up body and had no one who truly cared to help him.

 

[Damarna]

I appreciate the perspective. I was speaking from a perspective of NC not being on any spectrum since nothing like that has been stated yet.

I may have misunderstood some of the articles I've read.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

<Snip> Cruz had been diagnosed with the neurological disorder autism. Michael Alessandri, a clinical professor of psychology at the University of Miami, cautioned that Cruz’s diagnosis of autism should not be viewed as a cause of his attack at Stoneman Douglas High.<snip>


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[Spellbound]

I don't know how relevant this is to the conversation but my mom has a friend whose son has a rare condition called Prader Willi Syndrome and if she doesn't lock the fridge, he will literally eat himself to death.

That was my thought, too. You are the first person I remember who actually knows about this syndrome. I worked closely with a young man with it ... however, the physical signs are not present in NC. But you are right .... food HAD to be out of reach &#8212;&#8212; he would stuff an entire sandwich down his throat, impossible that he was chewed at all, steal food from other&#8217;s lunches, overeat, etc.

 

[Tawny]

I may have misunderstood some of the articles I've read.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

<Snip> Cruz had been diagnosed with the neurological disorder autism. Michael Alessandri, a clinical professor of psychology at the University of Miami, cautioned that Cruz&#8217;s diagnosis of autism should not be viewed as a cause of his attack at Stoneman Douglas High.<snip>


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Oh shoot, I hadn't seen that. Everything is moving so fast!

 

[Damarna]

Oh shoot, I hadn't seen that. Everything is moving so fast!

Oh I know! It gets ridiculous to keep yo sometimes.

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[x_files]

Oh shoot, I hadn't seen that. Everything is moving so fast!

The mother sold the house and moved into an apt. with her sons or without?

"By then she had sold the house and moved into an apartment."
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

 

[enelram]

The mother sold the house and moved into an apt. with her sons or without?

"By then she had sold the house and moved into an apartment."
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

We assume WITH both sons. Haven't seen anything to say otherwise.

 

[kittythehare]

We assume WITH both sons. Haven't seen anything to say otherwise.

Heartbreaking article- the child who tried to fit in..
“The family had money. Lynda even had his life insurance money — but she was very, very frugal,” Gold said. Lynda Cruz stayed home with the boys, and sometimes watched Gold’s daughter, who was friends with the boys.
Gold said he recognized right away that Nikolas Cruz needed psychological help.
“He would bang his head with his hands, and often lose control over minor things, like loud sounds,” Gold recalled.
He once smashed some golf clubs into one of Gold’s vehicles. He struggled to make friends.
Gold recalled seeing Cruz as a kid attempt to join other kids riding their bicycles in the neighborhood, but the kids brushed him off and called him names.
He would come home from school angry or depressed. “He would come over after school and was visibly upset about being teased, but he pretended that he really didn’t care,” Gold said.
“Despite his mother’s attention, he just felt horribly unloved, and felt he had no one to turn to,’’ Gold said.
Gold and Deschamps tried to help their mother, who was in her 60s and in poor health.


Lynda Cruz came down with the flu last year and refused to get medical treatment, Gold said. “She was so frugal, she didn’t want to spend the money, she wanted to save everything for the boys,’’ Gold said.
By then she had sold the house and moved into an apartment. When she died, Nikolas Cruz called Gold and asked him if he would drive him to the funeral. The only attendees, Gold said, were Cruz, his brother, Gold and Deschamps

I feel like screaming, reading this..he didn't shoot up a concert, a supermarket, a twon hall gathering, a ballgame, he shot up a school- the source of his pain, in his own mind, perhaps..
Something to look at, maybe?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Actually they each received $46,750, but you're close on the return paid even at that figure- probably $200-250./mo.

Thanks! I missed the "each". [emoji4]

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Do you happen to have a link for BBM above? I`m intrigued. They must have seen legal documentation to make that comment. If those papers were in their home, where are they now? Seems, on the surface, there was more than just that single annuity that the brothers would be inheriting.

Is this the act of someone who has been bullied?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5433823/Cruz-watched-dad-die-bullied-little-brother.html

No juvenile criminal issues



http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-runcie-interview-20180226-story.html


Is there any significance to the date (Valentines Day)?

After approximately 3 months of living with the Sneads, would NC have been able to consciously `hide` his mental health deterioration?

Anyone have any thoughts about the above?

Meh. I think he was fabricating the 800k, and the Sneads believed him.

His mother repeatedly refinanced the house, and finally sold it in a short sale. If there was ever any money, it was long gone at that point.

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[human]

Locking up food in a home breeds a hostile home environment. It shows a lack of trust and a lack of empathy, it demonstrates a desire to control other people who live in the home. IMO, it's a horrible thing to do to children.

My son was captain of his football team. His friends would come over for a snack. We always joked you could see your reflection in the frig because it was so empty,

We figured a side of beef a week might do.

I suppose she took money out from a refinance when it was easy to get and she could not sell her house. Was it a five bedroom, three bath? It is too bad she did could not sell it a long time ago before the housing crash.

Did she have any training for a job? Locking the frig is too bizarre for me.

 

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[enelram]

My son was captain of his football team. His friends would come over for a snack. We always joked you could see your reflection in the frig because it was so empty,

We figured a side of beef a week might do.

I suppose she took money out from a refinance when it was easy to get and she could not sell her house. Was it a five bedroom, three bath? It is too bad she did could not sell it a long time ago before the housing crash.

Did she have any training for a job? Locking the frig is too bizarre for me.

She was upside down on the mortgage. She mortgaged the home, the last time, for $770,000, probably more than it
would appraise for if it was an original mtge, but when you re-fi if you have decent credit they are overly generous
on their 'phony' appraisal. So she was living off the proceeds of mtge.

 

[cujenn81]

If NC is really on the spectrum there is a chance the food was locked up so it wasn't eaten all at once. Speaking from only my experience - my nephew is on the autism spectrum but high functioning. To observe him you'd think he was just a quirky guy. Growing up he was a tornado of activity. He ended up on meds that created an evil cycle of zero appetite to ravenous. His dad ended up locking up their food to not only save it from being inhaled at night but, more importantly, to keep my nephew from basically binge eating. They did eventually get his medications regulated (some are mental health related) so the need to keep the food locked up was something of the past.

I'm certainly not saying this is the case with NC at all. I just want to point out that it's not always an issue of neglect or bad parenting. Each situation is very different.

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I can attest to this as well. The custodian who works in my office is on the spectrum, and he is also diabetic. He is notorious for taking food that doesn't belong to him out of the fridge and consuming it as fast as he can so that no one will know it was him. However, he will leave the food alone if I attach a note with my name and explicitly state "do not touch" on it. But, everyone in the office has to keep a close eye on him during holiday work luncheons and things like that because he won't stop eating unless someone tells him to stop. We once caught him eating an entire container of cake icing with a spoon.

 

[kittythehare]

She was upside down on the mortgage. She mortgaged the home, the last time, for $770,000, probably more than it
would appraise for if it was an original mtge, but when you re-fi if you have decent credit they are overly generous
on their 'phony' appraisal. So she was living off the proceeds of mtge.

I saw a post earlier regarding the value of her estate when she died? Do you happen to know what that was, I cannot find the post now, tho' it was on this thread?

 

[human]

Did the Sneads and Deschamps lock their frig?

 

[kittythehare]

Did the Sneads and Deschamps lock their frig?

I never heard, human.. Not sure whether he had an eating disorder..or whether mother became a tad mentally unstable as she got older- too frugal to pay for 'flu medicine before her death http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

 

[human]

I never heard, human.. Not sure whether he had an eating disorder..or whether mother became a tad mentally unstable as she got older- too frugal to pay for 'flu medicine before her death http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

From the article

Gold said Lynda Cruz was strict with her sons, and was not averse to striking them when they misbehaved. At least one time, DCF investigated her for possibly abusing the boys and inadequately supervising them. The case was closed. Nikolas Cruz was getting treatment at Henderson Mental Health, the DCF report said. Still, they concluded he was not enough of a threat to be hospitalized or committed to a facility

&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;There are many many many studies that show the negative impacts of spanking. And no, people are not OK when they say spanking did not hurt them. It is obvious to anyone who knows people that say that they were not affected. Depression, anxiety, and many many other issues as adults.

I am going to look for some articles that identify the negative things about spanking
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html

https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers