GUILTY FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

[KaaBoom]

Listening to the 911 calls is painful. Do kids today even know how to dial 911? It seemed like every call was a student calling or texting their parents, being related to another person who relayed the information to 911. Nothing like 911 having to get fourth hand information. By the time dispatchers figured out what was going on, the police were already in the school. :facepalm:

Full recording of 911 calls made during Parkland school shooting _ Miami Herald

 

[Gooddeeds]

“There has been, on average, 1 school shooting every week this year”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html

 

[mpnola]

A Florida Grand Jury has formally indicted Nikolas Cruz of 17 counts of premeditated first degree murder and 17 counts of attempted first degree murder.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...een-parkland-massacre/uLBExpMrPmNSPtT32hNhSO/

Victims named in the indictment:

• Killed: Luke Hoyer, Martin Duque-Anquiano, Gina Mantalto, Alexander Schachter, Alaina Petty, Alyssa Alhadeff, Nicholas Dworet, Helena Ramsay, Christopher Hixon, Carmen Schentrup, Aaron Feis, Scott Biegel, Meadow Pollack, Cara Loughran, Joaquin Oliver-Padauy, Jaime Guttenberg and Peter Wang

• Injured: Ashley Baez, William Olson, Kheshava Managapuram, Justin Colton, Alexander Dworet, Genesis Valentin, Daniela Menescal, Samantha Grady, Samantha Fuentes, Isabel Chequer, Samantha Mayor, Benjamin Wikander, Madeleine Wilford, Marian Kabachenko, Stacey Lippel, Anthony Borges and Kyle Laman.


Notice that the killer Nikolas Cruz is NOT named as a 'victim' in the indictment, despite some misguided claims that he is a so-called 'victim'.

Nikolas Cruz is the officially named perpetrator in the indictment.

I don't think anyone thinks he is a victim of the crime in the indictment- premeditated murder of 17 innocent people. He is 100% the perpetrator.

That does not diminish the fact that our system is failing those with mental health needs and he was a victim of that. Does that excuse his actions? Definitely not! Should he be punished for the crime he committed? Definitely so! Does the broken mental health system need to be fixed so we can have less incidents like this? Definitely so. He can be both responsible for a horrible crime and a victim of not receiving the help he should have. One does not negate the other.

The reason it is talked about so much in this case is because we need to learn and fix what we can. There are tons of really bad, soulless people out there that we can't change. And we always feel so helpless in most websleiths cases. Mental health is the one place we can help reduce crimes associated with it. I think people are not forgetting the victims of this crime, but also feel like they can contribute to change. It's not a feeling we often get to feel here.

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[rsd1200]

But by withdrawing the not guilty plea, the Broward Public Defender’s Office sends a signal consistent with what they’ve said since the early days of the case.

Two days after Cruz, 19, was accused of shooting dozens at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Public Defender Howard Finkelstein said in interviews that guilt is not an issue in the case. Cruz would plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of life in prison, Finkelstein said.

While Finkelstein’s office had no comment on Thursday’s development, the decision to stand mute allows the defense to proceed without claiming to the public, the victims or the court that Cruz did not commit the crime.

“Pleading not guilty is a matter of course, part of the process of due process,” said defense lawyer Michael Gottlieb, who is not connected to the case. “In a case like this, that’s as sensitive in the community as this case is, pleading not guilty might be seen as offensive. This community is still hurting because of what Nikolas Cruz did.”

Prosecutors have not said whether they will seek the death penalty.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article204180149.html

I am not pro death penalty. It's a matter of my faith. With that said, I might put on the table, he gets LWOP, w/ a guilty plea, and the agreement that he'll cooperate with mental health treatment. It might be very valuable if we start listening to these shooters, who don't die in the rampage. Discussing what brought him/her to that point. The access to the guns, and similarities of the shooters are a similar thread in these school shootings.

 

[Peculiar]

Here's a new article interviewing an anonymous "family source".:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/0...gning-over-parental-rights-family-source.html

In another instance, Cruz punched her in the jaw when she was driving because she wouldn’t stop at the store he wanted. Three of her teeth were knocked loose, the family source said.
The mother once told the family source that Nikolas, dressed in a military uniform and holding an air gun, approached her and said: “Drop to your knees b----, I’m going to blow your f---ing brains out.”
He later laughed and said, “I’m sorry, Mom.”
His mother would say on the phone, “He thinks he’s f---ing ISIS.”

 

[rotary_dial]

Disgraced Parkland deputy heard shots inside school building, told cops to stay away

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article204226584.html#storylink=cpy

This is a good article, it includes the dispatch audio and a timeline of the events.

Roundly vilified for not entering a Parkland high school during a mass shooting, Broward Deputy Scot Peterson insisted publicly that he believed that gunfire was happening outside on campus — not from inside the building.

But internal radio dispatches released by the sheriff's office Thursday show Peterson immediately fixated on Building 12 and even radioed that gunfire was happening “inside.”

And, just as school shooter Nikolas Cruz was fleeing the building after killing 17 people, Peterson warned his fellow officers to stay away — even as wounded students and staff lay inside.

BSO policy calls for deputies to engage an active shooter and eliminate the threat.

 

[enelram]

So what is the answer for thousands of other young men who have brain damage and cannot fit or live amongst us?
We know we will have many more of these scenarios. Lots of similarities in this case and Adam Lanza.
Single parent overwhelmed.
Little outside help or not enough.
As he aged violence seemed to get worse.
Ability to get guns and planned for violence.
Are we supposed to sit idly by and wait for the next one?
The writing is on the wall, there WILL be many more. IMO.

 

[kittythehare]

This is a good article, it includes the dispatch audio and a timeline of the events.

Broward Sheriff dept yesterday, in a tweet called for the release of cctv footage from outside the school, they need a judge to sign off on it.
Gardenista's post proves Sheriff Israel was actually correct in his first public statement regarding deputy failure to enter despite having attended yearly training courses BSO.

It suggests he lied when he stated he thought shooter was outside and not inside, as well..

 

[Doghairrules]

Police responding to Parkland shooting had communication difficultieshttps://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/parkland-shooting-law-enforcement-response/index.html

 

[Doghairrules]

I am not pro death penalty. It's a matter of my faith. With that said, I might put on the table, he gets LWOP, w/ a guilty plea, and the agreement that he'll cooperate with mental health treatment. It might be very valuable if we start listening to these shooters, who don't die in the rampage. Discussing what brought him/her to that point. The access to the guns, and similarities of the shooters are a similar thread in these school shootings.

I was thinking the same thing - that this might be an opportunity to study him and try to figure out all the variables.

 

[enelram]

Fl. Gov. Scott signs new compromise gun bill. While it's a step in the right direction, IMO, it's just a baby step.
I wonder if he weren't planning to run for US Senate in Nov., would he have still signed it? Doubt it.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article204254834.html

 

[kdg411]

Fl. Gov. Scott signs new compromise gun bill. While it's a step in the right direction, IMO, it's just a baby step.
I wonder if he weren't planning to run for US Senate in Nov., would he have still signed it? Doubt it.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article204254834.html

And the NRA already filed a lawsuit (link)

 

[jjenny]

I don't think anyone thinks he is a victim of the crime in the indictment- premeditated murder of 17 innocent people. He is 100% the perpetrator.

That does not diminish the fact that our system is failing those with mental health needs and he was a victim of that. Does that excuse his actions? Definitely not! Should he be punished for the crime he committed? Definitely so! Does the broken mental health system need to be fixed so we can have less incidents like this? Definitely so. He can be both responsible for a horrible crime and a victim of not receiving the help he should have. One does not negate the other.

The reason it is talked about so much in this case is because we need to learn and fix what we can. There are tons of really bad, soulless people out there that we can't change. And we always feel so helpless in most websleiths cases. Mental health is the one place we can help reduce crimes associated with it. I think people are not forgetting the victims of this crime, but also feel like they can contribute to change. It's not a feeling we often get to feel here.

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Reality is, we aren't able to cure mental illness. So what would "not failing him" actually mean? Keeping him locked up in a mental institution?

 

[x_files]

Listening to the 911 calls is painful. Do kids today even know how to dial 911? It seemed like every call was a student calling or texting their parents, being related to another person who relayed the information to 911. Nothing like 911 having to get fourth hand information. By the time dispatchers figured out what was going on, the police were already in the school. :facepalm:

Full recording of 911 calls made during Parkland school shooting _ Miami Herald

In Active Shooting Drills are they told NOT to call 911?

 

[Jax49]

In Active Shooting Drills are they told NOT to call 911?

I did a bit of research and everything I read says Call 911 when it is safe to do so.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I did a bit of research and everything I read says Call 911 when it is safe to do so.

Did it elaborate in regards to when it might not be safe to call 911? I guess that depends on what the shooter is doing...if he is in conversation with an officer?

 

[Gooddeeds]

Police responding to Parkland shooting had communication difficultieshttps://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/parkland-shooting-law-enforcement-response/index.html

Doghair, is there part of this link that didn’t attach? TIA

 

[Jax49]

Homeland Security how to respond to an active shooter.

https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/active_shooter_booklet.pdf

[h=1]What to Do When There’s an Active Shooter[/h]
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/survive-active-shooter.html

 

[x_files]

I did a bit of research and everything I read says Call 911 when it is safe to do so.

Not one student called? Is that correct? Maybe the teachers did.

 

[Jax49]

From the Homeland Security booklet.

As a last resort, attempt to take the active shooter down. When the shooter is at close range and you cannot flee, your chance of survival is much greater if you try to incapacitate him/her.

From the article:

If a barricade or lock is not available, Dr. Blair suggests not lying on the floor, because that would prevent you from the last resort: a surprise attack on the gunman if he bursts into the room.

bbm