GUILTY FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

[jjenny]

Friend knew him since sixth grade? Then how does he know that NC changed after his father died? Father died when NC was five or six years old, from what has been reported. So this friend is stating something he would have no way of actually knowing,since he didn't know NC when NC was six. That interview isn't making sense to me, as friend seems to suggest father died during the time friend already knew NC, and father actually died when NC was five.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...hooting-nikolas-cruz-life-20180220-story.html

 

[Gooddeeds]

SNEADS KNEW NIK HAD CASH ON HAND

The Sneads, whose son was friendly with Nikolas, said he followed their rules and kept his weapons locked up.

Cruz seemed emotionally down for the few months they knew him. But in the last two weeks before the shooting, he told them he was happier than he’d ever been before.

“He wanted a girlfriend so bad,” Kimberly Snead said, “and I said, ‘Girls are trouble, stay away from them.”

“I think he was lonely,” James Snead said.

“He wore torn clothes; HE CARRIED A LOT OF CASH; and though he didn’t seem overtly religious, he had a gold cross in his gun cabinet. He was loving toward Lenny and Harley Quinn, the family dogs, and the six cats”

On Feb. 14 — the day of the shooting — Cruz told the Sneads he’d be skipping school.

“It's Valentine's Day, and I don't go to school on Valentine's Day,” the Sneads said he told them.

At 2:06 p.m., he caught an Uber to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, arriving when school was letting out.

He left the high school a mess of bodies and terrorized children.

In court five days later, Cruz sat with his head bowed. No friends or family appeared in court on his behalf.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-...ing-nikolas-cruz-life-20180220-story,amp.html

LONELY, DEPRESSED, WANTED A GIRLFRIEND SO BAD, HAD GUNS AND CASH...

 

[jjenny]

Guns were locked up in a safe in his bedroom. He is the one who purchased the safe. If these people actually believed that having guns locked up in his bedroom in a safe he purchased meant he didn't have access to these guns, then I have a bridge I would like to sell them.

 

[Gooddeeds]

A former friend of high school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz described the 19-year-old as “one of the nicest people I knew in my entire life.”

Cruz became more reserved and fell into a wrong crowd. Trieu said he began acting out in classes and throwing pencils at his teachers.

The bullying began and Cruz began to get a reputation for violence and a short temper that other students spoke about in the days after the shooting.

Ethan Trieu, 17 — who was friends on and off with Cruz since the sixth grade — said he is not trying to rationalize or justify anything his former friend did, but he said Cruz changed significantly after the death of his father.

“He had no one to cope with at all,” Trieu said.
Trieu said people should stop blaming the gun for the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. He blamed Cruz but said the community failed him.

“The community has a problem itself … we didn’t help him,” Trieu said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.naplesnews.com/amp/346085002

Unsure of how he knew the death of NC father had affected him though he was interviewed publicly on local and national platforms. No reason to lie. He may have been genuinely interested in being a friend to him.

 

[Doghairrules]

His criminal record was clear. He wasn't charged or convicted of anything.

But his mental health should have disqualified him. And certainly all of the LE alerts should have been investigated.

 

[mpnola]

I don't believe anything could have change this one. Seems like he was exhibiting troubling behavior ever since he was a young child. He supposedly was upset over the passing of his adoptive mother, but yet there are reports he was abusive toward her when she was alive. There are also reports he was abusive toward animals. Reportedly he was obsessed with violence for years. What exactly was going to change him?

"The rage and obsession with violence documented by Cruz’s therapists during nearly two years of interactions when he was 15 to 17 years old continued through his school career: Again and again, authorities were warned about the teen’s explosive tendencies and lack of impulse control. Again and again, authorities ignored the warnings."
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article204450699.html

Well, you are right that nothing could really change him. But there are lots of things that can be offered to minimize the isolation and offer more solutions from people who deal with others just like him. If they still had resedential treatment facilities, he could have been enrolled in a day program that would teach him work skills, he could have supervision 24 hours a day and good habits can be taught. He could actively participate in group therapy, where you aren't called out for an emergency to see if there is imminent danger, you meet with them almost daily. You are well connected to his thoughts and are able to guide, all along. Also, peers are great because you have others who accept you and understand what you go through. You have behavior specialists, who come up with plans to reduce the problematic behavior.

I am giving a very simplified exlanation, but what I am trying to convey is that there are a million more, just like him, out there. And unless we are part of creating options, we will have this same situation play out many times. Might be a different weapon or a different target or a different age or city, but the problem is mich bigger than him. I'm actually at a loss that people don't realize how far reaching this is. I can tell you that I had people in my facilities that I would NEVER EVER EVER want without supervision. One had 24 hour supervision and was so dangerous, it was terrifying. He was actually grandfathered in (not exactly, but it's the easiest explanation), which is why he has that level of intense supervision. If he was not, he would be living next door to one of you right now. And you would not be safe. Not funding mental health services isn't a risk any of us should want to take.......

As a matter of fact, a ptsd patient killed 3 employees of a veteran house this week. He was out of his only help option (he had been kicked out) and out of healthy actions. The outcome is horrific. It's time to realize what happens with unchecked mental health issues.

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[kittythehare]

But his mental health should have disqualified him. And certainly all of the LE alerts should have been investigated.

There was also a question raised regarding his eligibility for JCPOA membership and training.

 

[Gardenista]

His criminal record was clear. He wasn't charged or convicted of anything.

He should have been. When people do a crime, they should be punished, period. Many have been hurt by this Broward policy and those of us who have been paying attention knew something like this was bound to happen.

 

[human]

But his mental health should have disqualified him. And certainly all of the LE alerts should have been investigated.

How would his mental health disqualify him? Is there a rule in Florida?

He was a minor so unless he was adjudicated as an adult, who would know? Minor records are sealed and have been for decades.

 

[human]

He should have been. When people do a crime, they should be punished, period. Many have been hurt by this Broward policy and those of us who have been paying attention knew something like this was bound to happen.

Did people have a chance to address their concerns in Broward? If so, what happened?

 

[Gardenista]

Did people have a chance to address their concerns in Broward? If so, what happened?

People who expressed any concerns about it in any city where it was implemented got called a racist.

 

[Gardenista]

Parents up in arms after NYPD removes cops from schools

https://nypost.com/2018/03/11/parents-up-in-arms-after-nypd-removes-cops-from-schools/

 

[enelram]

Well, you are right that nothing could really change him. But there are lots of things that can be offered to minimize the isolation and offer more solutions from people who deal with others just like him. If they still had resedential treatment facilities, he could have been enrolled in a day program that would teach him work skills, he could have supervision 24 hours a day and good habits can be taught. He could actively participate in group therapy, where you aren't called out for an emergency to see if there is imminent danger, you meet with them almost daily. You are well connected to his thoughts and are able to guide, all along. Also, peers are great because you have others who accept you and understand what you go through. You have behavior specialists, who come up with plans to reduce the problematic behavior.

I am giving a very simplified exlanation, but what I am trying to convey is that there are a million more, just like him, out there. And unless we are part of creating options, we will have this same situation play out many times. Might be a different weapon or a different target or a different age or city, but the problem is mich bigger than him. I'm actually at a loss that people don't realize how far reaching this is. I can tell you that I had people in my facilities that I would NEVER EVER EVER want without supervision. One had 24 hour supervision and was so dangerous, it was terrifying. He was actually grandfathered in (not exactly, but it's the easiest explanation), which is why he has that level of intense supervision. If he was not, he would be living next door to one of you right now. And you would not be safe. Not funding mental health services isn't a risk any of us should want to take.......

As a matter of fact, a ptsd patient killed 3 employees of a veteran house this week. He was out of his only help option (he had been kicked out) and out of healthy actions. The outcome is horrific. It's time to realize what happens with unchecked mental health issues.

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Thank you mpnola.

Seems to me a major breakdown for NC was his lack of strong parental supervision 24/7. Neighbor said his mom
gave up at end due to her failing health. So possibly last year or more- little oversight?? Did she just ignore his
accumulating guns in her home? Once expelled, did he just hang around apartment all day? This was a major
fail for NC.
I agree that there are probably thousands of young men on a similar path. Doesn't take much to tip them over the edge, if they feel alone in the world.

 

[human]

People who expressed any concerns about it in any city where it was implemented got called a racist.

Only kids who are black commit crimes even in mostly white schools?

 

[human]

Parents up in arms after NYPD removes cops from schools

https://nypost.com/2018/03/11/parents-up-in-arms-after-nypd-removes-cops-from-schools/

He sounds like a real asset

 

[Gardenista]

Only kids who are black commit crimes even in mostly white schools?

Exactly! And when we explained that, they didn't care. We were still raaaacccciiiissssttttsssss.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I think that was supposed to be sarcastic. Human has a point.

 

[bluesneakers]

People who expressed any concerns about it in any city where it was implemented got called a racist.

Where? Who called them racists?

 

[jjenny]

A former friend of high school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz described the 19-year-old as “one of the nicest people I knew in my entire life.”

Cruz became more reserved and fell into a wrong crowd. Trieu said he began acting out in classes and throwing pencils at his teachers.

The bullying began and Cruz began to get a reputation for violence and a short temper that other students spoke about in the days after the shooting.

Ethan Trieu, 17 — who was friends on and off with Cruz since the sixth grade — said he is not trying to rationalize or justify anything his former friend did, but he said Cruz changed significantly after the death of his father.

“He had no one to cope with at all,” Trieu said.
Trieu said people should stop blaming the gun for the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. He blamed Cruz but said the community failed him.

“The community has a problem itself … we didn’t help him,” Trieu said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.naplesnews.com/amp/346085002

Unsure of how he knew the death of NC father had affected him though he was interviewed publicly on local and national platforms. No reason to lie. He may have been genuinely interested in being a friend to him.

Well, he seems under mistaken impression that NC's father died during the time he knew NC, which isn't the case. Father died years before NC went to sixth grade. So whatever change he thinks he observed, it wouldn't be due to father's death. As for being NC's friend, that seems to be a dangerous proposition. After the girl NC dated broke up with him, NC reportedly threatened her new boyfriend, and according to that boy, did so repeatedly.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I was thinking the same thing - that this might be an opportunity to study him and try to figure out all the variables.

This is a 10 year old blind boy with autism performing. The birth Mom a drug addict, fortunately extended family took a heartfelt interest in raising him. You can get the gist without watching it in its entirety.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_W_zl61bI