GUILTY FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

[Ibiz]

Hey you need somebody outside to make sure that all the students coming out have their hand in the air. He looks like a typical cop doing exactly what he was trained to do. #1 rule: Officer safety is paramount. That is what they are trained.



Rapid Response_ Officer safety is paramount during active manhunt

That is what he was doing. Assessing the scene, waiting for backup, and maintaining a heightened level of awareness. His response was textbook perfect. If you don't like that responds then make them change their training. Many of us have been saying for years that police training needs to change.

Clearly we can see the guy is completely out of shape. He looks like he's been curling jelly donuts for the past 30-years. If he did go in, there's no doubt he would have been killed in a Minesoda second. He was probably good at writing parking tickets and stuff. I don't see why everyone is picking on him. I for instants would have ignored the rules, and went in, and most likely not have been fired for that.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Clearly we can see the guy is completely out of shape. He looks like he's been curling jelly donuts for the past 30-years. If he did go in, there's no doubt he would have been killed in a Minesoda second. He was probably good at writing parking tickets and stuff. I don't see why everyone is picking on him. I for instants would have ignored the rules, and went in, and most likely not have been fired for that.

He’s not good at writing alimony checks and stuff either.

 

[Gardenista]

Hey you need somebody outside to make sure that all the students coming out have their hand in the air. He looks like a typical cop doing exactly what he was trained to do. #1 rule: Officer safety is paramount. That is what they are trained.



Rapid Response_ Officer safety is paramount during active manhunt

That is what he was doing. Assessing the scene, waiting for backup, and maintaining a heightened level of awareness. His response was textbook perfect. If you don't like that responds then make them change their training. Many of us have been saying for years that police training needs to change.

Broward County Sheriff’s Office Training Materials Say First One or Two Officers on Scene should ‘Confront the Shooter’

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press...irst-one-two-officers-scene-confront-shooter/

 

[KaaBoom]

Broward County Sheriff’s Office Training Materials Say First One or Two Officers on Scene should ‘Confront the Shooter’

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press...irst-one-two-officers-scene-confront-shooter/

That is a misleading headline. The actual quote says "may" not "should". That is a big difference. They are giving them advanced permission to enter, at the officer's discretion. In any other situation they would be fired for not waiting for backup and a supervisor's approval. Even that flies in the face of all police training.

The Broward County Sheriff’s Office Standard Operating Procedure states: “If real time intelligence exists the sole deputy or a team of deputies may enter the area and/or structure to preserve life. A supervisor’s approval or on-site observation is not required for this decision…. If the situation turns to a barricade or hostage situation the response team will contain, isolate, communicate and wait for SWAT.”

 

[Gardenista]

That is a misleading headline. The actual quote says "may" not "should". That is a big difference. They are giving them advanced permission to enter, at the officer's discretion. In any other situation they would be fired for not waiting for backup and a supervisor's approval. Even that flies in the face of all police training.

The lesson plan instructs officers to immediately confront a shooter:

History shows when a suspect is confronted by any armed individual (police, security, concealed carry person) they either shoot it out with that person or kill themselves. Either way, the shooting of innocent bystanders must stop. Now, the first officer or two officers on scene will immediately go to confront the shooter. Military tactics work well in this situation. The two man “bounding overwatch” is our response.

 

[kittythehare]

The lesson plan instructs officers to immediately confront a shooter:

History shows when a suspect is confronted by any armed individual (police, security, concealed carry person) they either shoot it out with that person or kill themselves. Either way, the shooting of innocent bystanders must stop. Now, the first officer or two officers on scene will immediately go to confront the shooter. Military tactics work well in this situation. The two man “bounding overwatch” is our response.

was there not a specific training received for school shootings? I have not seen it but I thought a reference was made to it when he was first suspended/allowed to resign?

My understanding was that this training occurred on n annual basis and he had attended..
The specific training was to confront immediately?
again, apologies for not being clearer, it could well have been the general annual trainings.

 

[human]

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/5938...ign=atc&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180315

Carmen skipped a grade early on, and her parents say she never lost her strong sense of self-determination. "She'd ask a million questions," her father says. "She was driven by a curiosity about the world, and her place in it."

When Carmen decided she wanted to learn German, she taught herself.

She took on pre-calculus in a six-week summer session.

Her senior year in high school, she signed up for six Advanced Placement classes, even though her father suggested she lighten her load and have more fun.

Carmen devoured books – so many that her older brother Robert bought her an e-reader to lighten her load. She especially adored the Harry Potter series, identifying with the brainy character Hermione.

Carmen played guitar, violin and piano. "She would go online and find a song she loved and just practice until she did it," says her younger sister Evelyn, age 14.

 

[Gooddeeds]

MORAL CORRUPTION

A custodian at a South Carolina school rummaged through students’ book bags during a school walkout Wednesday — and took their cash.

Aisha Evans stole $180 from three Richland Northeast High School students while they participated in a national protest against gun violence on March 14, according to the Richland County Sheriff’s Department.

School administrators and the *school resource officer* conducted an investigation, and Evans was charged with three counts of petty larceny.

The 32-year-old was employed by Service Solutions, an agency that provides custodial services to the school, CNN reported.

Evans is no longer employed by the agency, according to CNN-affiliate WIS.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...tudents-bags-school-walkout-article-1.3878499

*OT a bit but on the subject of SRO duties in contrast.

 

[mpnola]

MORAL CORRUPTION

A custodian at a South Carolina school rummaged through students’ book bags during a school walkout Wednesday — and took their cash.

Aisha Evans stole $180 from three Richland Northeast High School students while they participated in a national protest against gun violence on March 14, according to the Richland County Sheriff’s Department.

School administrators and the *school resource officer* conducted an investigation, and Evans was charged with three counts of petty larceny.

The 32-year-old was employed by Service Solutions, an agency that provides custodial services to the school, CNN reported.

Evans is no longer employed by the agency, according to CNN-affiliate WIS.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...tudents-bags-school-walkout-article-1.3878499

*OT a bit but on the subject of SRO duties in contrast.

It is soooooo scary that we never truly know who we are entrusting our children to.

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[grammieto5]

I just read the article “After Daughter's 'Unimaginable' Death, Parkland Family Moved To Action”. I won’t apologize for what I’m going to write. It’s how I feel, what I believe. Stricter gun regulations would not have stopped this horror from happening, it won’t stop future horrors. This shooter/criminal, who is not a victim, would have done his evil deed regardless. Some people are just born evil.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

i just read the article “after daughter's 'unimaginable' death, parkland family moved to action”. I won’t apologize for what i’m going to write. It’s how i feel, what i believe. Stricter gun regulations would not have stopped this horror from happening, it won’t stop future horrors. This shooter/criminal, who is not a victim, would have done his evil deed regardless. Some people are just born evil.

ok. ...

 

[human]

I just read the article “After Daughter's 'Unimaginable' Death, Parkland Family Moved To Action”. I won’t apologize for what I’m going to write. It’s how I feel, what I believe. Stricter gun regulations would not have stopped this horror from happening, it won’t stop future horrors. This shooter/criminal, who is not a victim, would have done his evil deed regardless. Some people are just born evil.

How would he accomplish the act of killing and injuring so many?

 

[grammieto5]

How would he accomplish the act of killing and injuring so many?

I don't understand your question?

 

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Clearly we can see the guy is completely out of shape. He looks like he's been curling jelly donuts for the past 30-years. If he did go in, there's no doubt he would have been killed in a Minesoda second. He was probably good at writing parking tickets and stuff. I don't see why everyone is picking on him. I for instants would have ignored the rules, and went in, and most likely not have been fired for that.[/QUOTE

 

[Ibiz]

cgarrell, I don't think using your email address for your screenname is such a good idea. You will probablly get a lot of emails that you don't want.

 

[grammieto5]

ok. ...

LOL I know....

 

[Gooddeeds]

SCHOOL OFFICIALS WORRIED ABOUT NIKOLAS CRUZ AND GUNS 18 MONTHS BEFORE MASSACRE

Eighteen months before Nikolas Cruz shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, staff were so worried about his fascination with guns that they banned him from practicing shooting skills with the JROTC, according to mental health records obtained by the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

The mental health records show counselors were sent to Cruz's home multiple times in September 2016, the same month the Department of Children and Families conducted its own investigation following up on concerns from the school and from his family.

Other documents show that psychiatrists recommended placing Cruz in a residential treatment facility as early as 2013, the same year he and his brother learned they were adopted. He was 14 years old.

A psychiatric memo dated 2014 from the alternative Cross Creek School that Cruz attended in eighth grade describes him as "moody, impulsive, angry, attention seeking, annoys others on purpose and threatens to hurt others." It describes him as having a strained relationship with his brother and indicates problems with Cruz's behavior began in 2004, when he watched his father, Roger, die from a heart attack.

But the bulk of the documents focus on a one-week period in September 2016, when the Sheriff's Office, DCF and mental health officials were investigating claims that Cruz posed, at least, a threat to himself.

Despite the repeated visits, neither the Broward Sheriff's Office nor Henderson Behavioral Health, a mental health clinic in Davie that treated him for two years, ordered Cruz hospitalized for observation under the Baker Act.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/r...uns-18-months-before-mass-shooting/ar-BBKjYZ6

The lack of action by each entity should be of great concern and outrage to the community. I hope the Sheriff isn’t looking to make up for it by taking actions that are not directly related. The SRO is definitely warranted, but it should not stop there in regards to addressing all issues of authoritarian neglect.

 

[MaryG12]

How would he accomplish the act of killing and injuring so many?

I'm guessing a home-made bomb.

Seriously, even if guns were obliterated from our society, those who want to and plan a mass killing will find a way somehow.


And just to speculate here - there is always the possibility of something replacing guns in our future society, as a means of killing people on a daily basis.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I don't understand your question?

I think the question is, if someone was going to do it anyway, even if he didn’t have a gun, what weapon would cause so many injuries and deaths in so little time and be so challenging to stop while in progress?

Especially a weapon that’s so easy to get?

baseball bat?
nunchucks?
knives?
crossbow?
driving a car bomb to the third floor?
pipe bomb?
pellet gun?
brass knuckles?
spear?
cannon?
flamethrower?
machete?
ricin?
tomahawk?
sling?
agent orange?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

And just to speculate here - there is always the possibility of something replacing guns in our future society, as a means of killing people on a daily basis.

rsbm

Possibility, sure. Eventually. In the future. Not existing today.

Moo