FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[m00c0w]

I'd like to add to your comments LambChop that there is no way the city of Sanford is going to risk taking someone to the jail even for questioning if they have any sort of injury without first taking that person to the emergency department for evaluation and clearance. If they didn't take that person to the hospital because of the injuries, they could potentially have a major lawsuit against them for failure to provide medical services. If Zimmerman wasn't taken to the hospital that night, he wasn't injured like he claims.



~jmo~

A person can deny medical treatment if they chose. That's their right.

 

[LolaMoon08]

You know that is true according to what those 46 complaint calls reflect. He knew what all his neighbors were doing and when. Who was out of town. Admits patrolling the area. He seemed to know everyone. jmo

It appears, from the 911 transcripts, that he even had someone elses house alarm that would contact him and there was an incident where he got an alert while he was at work from an alarm? I have no idea what kind of equipment he had to do that? Is there an app for that?

I'm not phone friendly?

 

[rotterdam]

When people are discussing that someone attacked someone first.
Was it TM attacking GZ or was it GZ attacking TM It is important to have some character references.
REAL IMPORTANT to have a proper understanding especially where there are hardly any records,
and one of them can’t speak, and one is getting hung with no evidence.
NO I never said GZ should not be arrested, but for what charge? inverstigate, and with no lynch mob.

So it is really important to understand both characters, YEA I stand by that.

This case is a money machine. it is not about justice.

Yep it is not about justice anymore, it never was anyway. Too much now about political agenda's and $$$.
GZ is not a crazy killer. He is rather a person with an obsessive desire to become a cop(for the wrong reasons), with an anger control problem and was profiling in order to get brownie points with SPD. SPD did not do him any favors with their warp speed sloppy investigation.
Tray was just a scared youth. Even the running (according to GZ) away when he had not done anything illegal, did not carry illegal drugs, points to fear only.
The rage should be directed at the law enforcement/justice system. Not GZ, he is just an alleged criminal and actually/sadly pretty common.He did not solely exonerate himself. It took many other parties. And not the cops that responded to the homicide nor the narcotics detective. Their superiors should be on trial.
I rather use the term "class" justice just like "class" healthcare. . A homicide with a low priority , therefor quickly put on the bottom of the pile to save bucks/resources.
Homicides/murders of affluent folks/often white are higher on the priority list.
After all, many judicial positions are elected and we certainly do not want to waste bucks on homicides/murders that involves blacks/lower class whites/prostitutes/druggies/homeless etc. They do not translate into votes/political contributions.

Reviewing many of the posts, there are plenty of folks that see this injustice quite clearly. Sadly, they are not the ones in charge.

 

[HiHater]

Even more of a reason IMO Zimmerman and his attorney couldn't care less what we think.

Zimmerman cares what the public thinks, or else he would not have ASKED his friends to come out and speak in his DEFENSE. He would have saved them for the court room, eh?

 

[LolaMoon08]

A person can deny medical treatment if they chose. That's their right.

And they have to sign a release.

 

[m00c0w]

And they have to sign a release.

Is there evidence he didn't?

 

[songline]

The pdf won't open, wonder if it was removed??

I opend it. it records the police report scene of the crime. FIRST RESPONDERS
After the shooting he arrived at the scenn.
TM face down after Identifying no pulse he was turned over and they tried CPR
GZ bloody nose, wet back as if he had been laying on grownd.
he informed them he was the shooter and is still armed they disamed him put him cuffed
him and he went into a police car a little more in the report but not much more.

 

[beach]

NOTICE:

We've moved this discussion from the Crimes Against Children area to Hot Cases.

 

[SuziQ]

When people are discussing that someone attacked someone first.
Was it TM attacking GZ or was it GZ attacking TM It is important to have some character references.
REAL IMPORTANT to have a proper understanding especially where there are hardly any records,
and one of them can’t speak, and one is getting hung with no evidence.
NO I never said GZ should not be arrested, but for what charge? inverstigate, and with no lynch mob.

So it is really important to understand both characters, YEA I stand by that.

This case is a money machine. it is not about justice.

Just curious. Have you ever dug up and posted anything positive about Trayvon? All I've seen is negligible information that tries to paint him in a negative light. There is alot of neat information about Trayvon out there. Your posts don't seem as unbiased as you claim they are.

You keep talking about lynch mobs and GZ being hung. Please, do not paint everyone with the same brush. IMO, most people would be happy to see this case go before a judge no matter what the outcome. My hope is this case goes before a judge and hopefully becomes a test case for the State of Florida Supreme Court.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Is there evidence he didn't?

Nope! Still waiting for that too. :rocker:

 

[LolaMoon08]

notice:

we've moved this discussion from the crimes against children area to hot cases.

awesome!!!

 

[Isabelle]

Zimmerman cares what the public thinks, or else he would not have ASKED his friends to come out and speak in his DEFENSE. He would have saved them for the court room, eh?

Zimmerman should have come out and spoken for himself. To hide and ask friends to vouch for him is silly. Glad they refused.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Nope! Still waiting for that too. :rocker:

Yeah, I wish that narcotics officer would release his conversation with Zimmerman.

 

[songline]

I saw something that said that they had his clothing. That's not the same as contradicting that they let him leave in those clothes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...sanford-police-chief-steps-down?newsfeed=true

Sergeant David Morgenstern, a spokesman for Sanford Police, said...

... the investigation recovered Zimmerman's clothes from the night of the shooting and that they had custody of the gun. He confirmed that one shot had been fired.​

I think they only kept his red Jacket that is not his clothing.

 

[Isabelle]

I opend it. it records the police report scene of the crime.
After the shooting he arrived at the scenn. TM face down after Identifying no pulse he was turned over and they tried CPR
GZ bloody nose, wet back as if he had been laying on grownd.
he informed them he was the shooter and is still armed they disamed him put him cuffed hm and he went into a police car a little more in the report but not much more.

It was raining, right? Wouldn't GZ's back be wet from the rain? I know my back would get wet, cause I'm not a duck, Lol.

 

[m00c0w]

Nope! Still waiting for that too. :rocker:

I'm not sure you'd ever see it.

 

[Sensei]

Isn't 24 hours the cut off period where they will not sew up a wound?

Yes, and possibly a little quicker, if there is the beginning of the scabbing process, the crusty collegen formation and dried serous fluid, then they may not stitch either but that does not happen in 2 or 3 hours if you have a deep scalp laceration, and no medical person is going to release someone without a lot of documentation if there is a possibility of head trauma, since that can present much later....a good bop on the head, even one that doesn't knock you out is usually a one way ticket to hospital for a cat scan, and some tests, and most often observation.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

JMHO

We have become a society of excuses.

I was late to work becuse my dog got loose.
I couldn't do my homework because my mom wanted me to go grocery shopping with her.
I hit the guy in front of me becuase he stopped short because the guy going the other way didn't see the stop sign.
It wasn't me mom - the dog did it.
The cat ran in front of me and I spilled everything.

Seems there is always an excuse of why we didn't really mean to break the law - it was because of some other factors or people around us.

Frankly, I'm tired of it. Personal accountability. That really doesn't exist anymore. Its always someone else's fault.

The old saying of "ignorance is no excuse for the law" should be on a billboard in every town.

JMHO but we have evolved into a civilization that has a reason for everything (regardless of lawful or not) we do. Its not always that cut and dried. Plus it makes it easier for the criminals that do set out to commit crimes to excuse their criminal acts.

I had children that were hungry - therefore I needed to rob the 7-11 to feed my kids.

It has to stop. All the law-abiding citizens are kicked to the curb when we start having compassion for the criminals by saying "well, he had a good excuse" or "he didn't have much of a choice".

We make choices everyday. Our lives are made by choices. From getting up in the morning and deciding on what we are going to wear or or eat right up to when we lay our head on the pillow every night - choices.

GZ made some very bad choices and he should be held accountable for them.


JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

I think they only kept his red Jacket that is not his clothing.

And you're basing this supposition on what? People here were also talking about how they didn't even take his red jacket. Now it seems they did.

 

[christee]

I agree. However, he did follow him and there was a fight - it easily could have been started by TM, which is what I think happened. I wouldn't expect GZ to start a fistfight when he's armed with a gun. Just because he followed TM does not mean he lost the right to defend himself.

And on the flipside, TM also had a right to defend himself if necessary. The difference is GZ had a gun and TM is dead.

Again, respectfully MHO.