FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[gxm]

Tucker Carlson went on a college tour with him, so I can hardly believe that he is all that terrible

I've seen him interviewed when he wasn't in "angry" mode and he comes across as a likeable and charming man.

:cowcouch:

 

[Donjeta]

The transcripts of Zimmerman's 911 calls during the more than two years he lived on Retreat View Circle fill 28 pages. His concerns include everything from the driver of a pickup cutting off people to a neighbor leaving his garage door open.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

This is why, Robert Zimmerman claims, his son decided to keep following Martin, so he could obtain an address to give to police.

"(George Zimmerman) went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking to his vehicle," Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding, at that point, Trayvon Martin walked up to him and asked him, 'Do you have a [expletive] problem?' "

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/2...at-his-son-threatened-his-life/#ixzz1qdeSgort

You're telling me that GZ has been living there for two years and called 911 to report everything that dared to breathe in his line of sight but doesn't yet know the street addresses like the back of his hands?

 

[jjenny]

So if GZ had been black, and Trayvon white, and the 911 call was "there's a suspicious looking WHITE guy walking down the street, white guys burglarized some homes here, THEY always get away, but THIS honky isn't going to" and he turned up dead in the SAME circumstances, you would be okay if blacks said you were just pulling your "race card" when you objected to NO INVESTIGATION???

If you say yes, I can tell you right now I don't believe you.

My point was, I don't think Al Sharpton would have shown up.

 

[Beyond Belief]

All the stirring up of this case is going to cause someone else to get hurt. People get angry and get out of contol. i heard a rant at the gas station last night between a guy pumping and a guy waiting his turn. The rant was against alot of different cultures, some nonsense about those cultures trying to take over the world. The worse part I heard was "Hitler had the right idea".
I was only there long enough to put a gallon of gas in my gas tank for my lawnmower
Other times there guys pull up in their trucks with foul rap music blaring. Women with kids there, it doesn't matter.
Sooner or later theres going to be a clash.

 

[annalia]

If you take away the races of those involved, what do you get? Two people fighting, one kills the other and claims self-defense. Without proving who started the fight, prosecutor knows he is not going to get a conviction.

No we wouldn't, we would still have someone who decided to go after someone with a loaded weapon, cursing him out on the way, and then "claiming" self defense. Of course that shooter would also know that the dead person can't dispute it.

And it's a moot point anyway, because we can't just take their race out, and Trayvon's race did play a factor on being profiled in the first place. We can hear that with our own ears everytime GZ's friends speak on his behalf. GZ must approve of what they're saying because we heard his thank you to Taafe.

So, nope, we shouldn't take that out, or ignore it. I'm sure not, it goes towards GZ's intent.

JMHO

 

[Netzilla]

Oh really? Then where are the civil rights for Trayvon??

Again, IF Trayvon had been a WHITE high school football player walking in the rain with a new slick looking raincoat, GZ would have stopped to offer him a ride home, and MAYBE even warned him to watch out for THOSE people, ya know, the suspicious LOOKING black dudes. :what: IMO

I would be surprised if any/most adults would offer a ride to an unknown child in today's climate with regard to sexual predators etc...

 

[Horace Finklestein]

There is nothing that we have seen that points to GZ as a racist.

NOTHING.

But yet it's continued over and over on the thread.

He has been called a racist for weeks now and I've seen no evidence of it.

Unless, just the fact TM was black means GZ was racist.

I don't get it.

More than that, it's constantly repeated here that GZ killed TM because he was walking home while black, because he didn't want him in his neighborhood, because he had skittles and iced tea, simply because he was black, he didn't want him to get away... Utterly baseless nonsense.

 

[jojomonkey]

All the stirring up of this case is going to cause someone else to get hurt. People get angry and get out of contol. i heard a rant at the gas station last night between a guy pumping and a guy waiting his turn. The rant was against alot of different cultures, some nonsense about those cultures trying to take over the world. The worse part I heard was "Hitler had the right idea".
I was only there long enough to put a gallon of gas in my gas tank for my lawnmower
Other times there guys pull up in their trucks with foul rap music blaring. Women with kids there, it doesn't matter.
Sooner or later theres going to be a clash.

Sadly I think you're right.

 

[Boytwnmom]

white people in this country that I'm unaware of? As a white person I would think I might have noticed. Have you missed the articles about the history of racial incidents in this town, including one with Jackie Robinson as well as with this police department?

When Robinson and Lacy approached the stadium by car that evening a large crowd of Sanford’s White citizens had gathered – some of them members of the Ku Klux Klan, which was very active in that region of the state – and they were determined to keep Robinson out of “their” ballpark.
Further, they were determined to run Robinson out of Sanford one way or another.
Some of those White members of the community met with the mayor of Sanford and demanded Robinson be forced out of town. As a result, Sanford city officials informed the Royals, Black and White ballplayers would not be allowed on the same playing field together.

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=74529

But, the murder of another Black man and his wife in Sanford – five years after Jackie Robinson was run out of town – and decades before the Trayvon Martin tragedy – shook the Black community of Central Florida to its core.
Harry Tyson Moore was the founder of the first branch of the NAACP in Brevard County, Fla., the county Sanford is located in. Moore, who was a teacher worked tirelessly for equal pay for Black teachers in public schools, filed lawsuits against voter registration barriers for Blacks, investigated lynchings and eventually became the state secretary for the Florida chapter of the NAACP.
From 1944 to 1950 Moore’s work led to an increase in Black voter registration in Florida to 31 percent of those eligible to vote, higher than any other Southern state.
Moore was a bold “race man,” and because of his relentless methods he was dangerous in the eyes of many in the White community.
So much so that on Christmas night of 1951, the home of Moore and his wife Harriette Vyda Simms Moore was fire bombed. It was the couple’s 25th wedding anniversary. Moore died on his way to a Sanford hospital and his wife died 9 days later of her injuries.
After their deaths, firebombing became a popular method of White racist intimidation in the South.
No one was ever indicted in their murders. However, in 2006 the state of Florida concluded the Moore’s were murdered as a result of a conspiracy by the Central Florida Ku Klux Klan.

Sanford began as a citrus town in the 1870s, conceived by a New England tycoon. ... Though the citrus empire he dreamed of didn't exactly flourish, Sanford proved instrumental to promoting trade with the Belgian-controlled territory of Congo—which included his vision of promoting Congo as a place to ship America's freed blacks.

and, more recently:

In 2006 two private security guards—one the son of a Sanford police officer, the other a volunteer for the department—killed a black teen with a gunshot in his back. Even though they admitted to never identifying themselves, the guards were released without charges. Then, in 2010, Justin Collison, the son of a Sanford PD lieutenant, sucker-punched a homeless black man outside a bar, and officers on the scene released Collison without charges. He eventually surrendered after video of the incident materialized online; the police chief at the time was ultimately forced into retirement. "Bottom line, we didn't do our job that night," a police department representative told local news station WFTV of the incident.

As it would turn out, the Sanford patrol sergeant in charge on the night of Collison's assault, Anthony Raimondo, would also be the first supervisor on the scene of Trayvon Martin's shooting death.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-martin-sanford-racial-history

I've always believed in the admonition that those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it (courtesy of Santayana). I think we have enough of a history of racism in this country that we should not so easily dismiss the inability of certain groups to trust in the system and assume that justice is color blind.

I don't see stories like this becoming front page news or inciting riots or marches by white people. Why? However, this GZ/TM case which may or may not be an incident of racism (no one knows for sure even a month later) and it is making front page news and incurring the wrath of Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson. Why the double standard is my point?

 

[jjenny]

I would be surprised if any/most adults would offer a ride to an unknown child in today's climate with regard to sexual predators etc...

And if they do, that's asking for trouble.

 

[indicat]

Who cares.....it's none of our busines what they do. It has nothing to do with why TM died. Their son died at the hands of another. They are not the A's. My grandson died in December and the community took up a collection to help pay the family expenses so since when did that become wrong. If people want to help them out what business is it of ours? This family has done nothing wrong and have suffered greatly. jmo

Thank you!

ETA: I'm so sorry for you and your family's loss.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

No we wouldn't, we would still have someone who decided to go after someone with a loaded weapon, cursing him out on the way, and then "claiming" self defense. Of course that shooter would also know that the dead person can't dispute it.

And it's a moot point anyway, because we can't just take their race out, and Trayvon's race did play a factor on being profiled in the first place. We can hear that with our own ears everytime GZ's friends speak on his behalf. GZ must approve of what they're saying because we heard his thank you to Taafe.

So, nope, we shouldn't take that out, or ignore it. I'm sure not, it goes towards GZ's intent.

JMHO

Link?

 

[tlcya]

Last summer, residents reported three burglaries at the Retreat, said Sanford police volunteer coordinator Wendy Dorival. At the time, workers were repairing cracks in some of the buildings. Some residents worried they were leaving their ladders up — and teenagers in the Retreat were using them to break into upstairs windows. Others feared outsiders were sneaking in.

After the break-ins, Zimmerman's calls to 911 seemed to shift, zeroing in on black males. Were black males actually responsible for any of the crimes reported in the Retreat? Impossible to say. Morgenstern, the police spokesman, said last week that he was too overwhelmed with media requests to get the arrest records on individual cases.

In September, the Sanford police helped the Retreat start a neighborhood watch program.

"Some residents called me wanting to do a startup," said Dorival, a civilian police employee. About 30 people came to the clubhouse for that first session, she said. "Everyone was enthusiastic." Zimmerman volunteered to be captain.

"I told them, this is not about being a vigilante police force," Dorival said. "You're not even supposed to patrol on neighborhood watch. And you're certainly not supposed to carry a gun."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

 

[LolaMoon08]

If I had to write the sequence of events from what George's friends and family have said, it would go something like this.

WARNING: This is not intended to demean or disrespect anyone who has been violently attacked.

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I took the liberty to delete my own post. Which I normally would not do. I do not feel bad because I posted it, I do feel bad that people took it the wrong way and I do not want to upset anyone. I do respect everyone here.

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AGAIN: This was not intended to demean or disrespect anyone who had been violently attacked.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

IMO there will never be a conviction in this case. I don't think the evidence is there.

So, now that the "advocates" have gotten everybody so riled up, there is going to be a BIG PROBLEM all over this country.

 

[gxm]

So if GZ had been black, and Trayvon white, and the 911 call was "there's a suspicious looking WHITE guy walking down the street, white guys burglarized some homes here, THEY always get away, but THIS honky isn't going to" and he turned up dead in the SAME circumstances, you would be okay if blacks said you were just pulling your "race card" when you objected to NO INVESTIGATION???

If you say yes, I can tell you right now I don't believe you.

I don't recall that in the transcripts. GZ never said "this [racial slur] isn't going to get away." Did I miss it or are you misstating the recorded conversation?

 

[gxm]

IMO there will never be a conviction in this case. I don't think the evidence is there.

So, now that the "advocates" have gotten everybody so riled up, there is going to be a BIG PROBLEM all over this country.

That's my fear as well.

 

[Netzilla]

I've had to call the police a few times at work, and I've always done whatever the dispatcher said to do. I think that any rational person would stay put if a dispatcher said they don't need the caller to follow someone.

Is there evidence that says Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher's fairly casual suggestion?

I thought Zimmerman said he did quit following and was returning to his truck.

 

[katydid23]

I have a question? Let's just for a moment think about this?

If Zimmerman is never arrested, charged, prosecuted for the death of Trayvon Martin and he was allowed to just go on with his life as he had left off before this happened, would you want him in your neighborhood? Would you feel safe with him having a gun and becoming the Neighborhood Watch Captain of your neighborhood? Would you allow your child to go and pick up some snacks from a store if you knew George Zimmerman was lurking around the neighborhood?

I don't think that anyone here is saying that he should not be further investigated, arrested put on trial. I think all three of those things have to happen. IMO, he should be arrested.

 

[jjenny]

I don't think that anyone here is saying that he should not be further investigated, arrested put on trial. I think all three of those things have to happen. IMO, he should be arrested.

But they can't arrest him unless they have evidence that contradicts his story.