FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[Netzilla]

Unless his truck was parked on a sidewalk between 2 rows of houses, he followed him.

But where was he when the dispatcher mentioned they didn't need him to follow Trayvon?

 

[Boytwnmom]

this absurd story floated by his family, complete with fear of being diaper clad for the rest of his life, simply defied logic and does not comport with the evidence such as the 911 call. His family is saying so many ridiculous things that I also feel they are insulting our intelligence. A young man died and the killers family is making up a story that's full of lies, including his brother who is estranged from him and who he apparently doesn't even speak to and who just wanted his 15 minutes. Oh, and it's the neighbors fault for not coming out. Talk about people who take no responsibility.

I'm not sure you realize how demeaning your comment might be to the victim of a violent attack. I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the purpose or need to mock a physical assault. A young man died. It's neither funny or entertaining.

 

[m00c0w]

Thank you Horace.

You're very welcome.

 

[Netzilla]

His truck was by the mailboxes near the Clubhouse no where near where TM's body was found. GZ seemed to understand what the dispatcher was asking because he said okay. jmo

I understand that. What I don't know is where Zimmerman was when the dispatcher suggested he not follow Trayvon.

 

[rotterdam]

I have seen various theories that a struggle occurred for the control of the gun and an accidental discharge could have occurred and why GZ did not stated that.

GZ, I presume, was pretty familiar with statutes and at what point you could be arrested or how to avoid an arrest.

The SYG makes it illegal for LE to make an arrest. You can not arrest a person under the SYG statute. An accidentally shooting is not covered by the SYG as far as I can determine, therefor you are not immune from an arrest and could result in an involuntary manslaughter or worse.
Another nagging question I have , is when SPD closed the investigation, if ever. Was that done the same evening when Lee/Wolfinger had their rather unusual powwow.

 

[jjenny]

Not true. If they don't believe his account, they can arrest and charge him, which is exactly what the lead homicide guy wanted to do until he was overruled by the Chief of Police and the state attorney (who drove 50 miles for an unprecedented face-to-face meeting), both of whom have since 'stepped-aside'.

I don't believe that to be true at all, because stand-your-ground law prevents them from making an arrest unless they have evidence that contradicts self-defense.

 

[rbrnmw2]

THANK YOU FOR THIS POST. NO WAY! I have a 'white' 17-year old and no matter what, I would never feel safe with someone like GZ in my neighborhood. I absolutely hate the white-black thing. It makes me sick. Kids are kids. Teenagers are teenagers. No matter the color.

I have a 17 year old son too I agree


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[tlcya]

But where was he when the dispatcher mentioned they didn't need him to follow Trayvon?

To me its a non issue if he was already out of his truck or then proceeded to get out after being told it wasnt needed for him to follow.

Based on the article linked a couple pages back, the police depts volunteer coordinator who visited the retreat and assisted in getting the neighborhood watch started clearly states that she told the residents (including GZ who was there and volunteered to be captain) that you don't patrol, you don't confront, engage etc and you sure dont carry a gun.

GZ did not need dispatch to "remind" him IMO he already knew and did it anyway.

moo IMO etc etc ad infinutum.

 

[Velouria]

More than that, it's constantly repeated here that GZ killed TM because he was walking home while black, because he didn't want him in his neighborhood, because he had skittles and iced tea, simply because he was black, he didn't want him to get away... Utterly baseless nonsense.

To state that anyone here is claiming TM was killed BECAUSE he had Skittles and iced tea is really disingenuous.

 

[Inabsentia]

Basically without this law you could easily be victimized twice, once by the "prep" and again by the justice system.

It seems to me, that with this law many murdered people such as Trayvon Martin are in danger of being victimized twice. Moo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://m.nbcmiami.com/nbcmiami/pm_108215/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=fN4FtaYb

NBC Miami : Old Photos May Have Shaped Public Reaction In Trayvon Martin Case

Snipped:
When you have such a lopsided visual comparison, it just stands to reason that people would rush to judgment said Kenny Irby, who teaches visual journalism at the Poynter Institute, a journalism think tank in St. Petersburg, Fla.

Also snipped:
Betsi Grabe, a professor at Indiana University-Bloomington who has studied the effect of news images on public opinion, said photos that gain the most traction play into the desires of both journalists and the public for a story with a distinct victim and aggressor.

 

[LambChop]

Do we know where George's truck was when he got out of the car? I think that would help? Did he get out of the car by the clubhouse or was he following Trayvon in his car first?

He told LE on the call he was by the mailboxes at the clubhouse and then you hear the dinging of the car door, then he's apparently running or walking fast and LE tells him to return to the car to meet the patrol cars at the mailbox. What happened after that we don't know only initially he was suppose to stay in the front by the mailboxes so LE could find him. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

To state that anyone here is claiming TM was killed BECAUSE he had Skittles and iced tea is really disingenuous.

It's actually been repeated multiple times, or at least heavily insinuated. I was tempted to post something about it last night, but decided to bite my tongue.

I know no one actually believes that (I hope!), but it's been used as sort of rhetoric.

 

[Netzilla]

Not true. If they don't believe his account, they can arrest and charge him, which is exactly what the lead homicide guy wanted to do until he was overruled by the Chief of Police and the state attorney (who drove 50 miles for an unprecedented face-to-face meeting), both of whom have since 'stepped-aside'.

That is not my understanding. IMO - The State Attorney rightly advised them (police) not to arrest because at the time they didn't have evidence a crime had been committed vis a vis the Stand Your Ground Law.

 

[LambChop]

To me its a non issue if he was already out of his truck or then proceeded to get out after being told it wasnt needed for him to follow.

Based on the article linked a couple pages back, the police depts volunteer coordinator who visited the retreat and assisted in getting the neighborhood watch started clearly states that she told the residents (including GZ who was there and volunteered to be captain) that you don't patrol, you don't confront, engage etc and you sure dont carry a gun.

GZ did not need dispatch to "remind" him IMO he already knew and did it anyway.

moo IMO etc etc ad infinutum.

Correct....and we know GZ knew NOT to follow because he did have the gun. jmo

 

[songline]

BBM, I never said that GZ was mentally unstable. I would just like to know if he was ever over emotional, had any odd ways of vigilante, any problems like that.
Personally I went to school with a man that shot a dear little boy to death.......thought the boy was a groundhog (from a porch)........YES, this man had always been a little off but never in trouble.......quick to show off. shoot first,look later......

All I wanted to know is GZ on of these type of individuals.
Also GZ brother hasn't seen him in YEARS yet said (hearsay) GZ was in a near death state.............

Of course would rally for my loved one nd want to know exactly what happened........but on national news........NOT........lawyers do that.
It is hearsay, they were not there and can't state anything as truth........JMOO

Just as GZ's family was not there and are getting the story from GZ.
and you call it hearsay whom should they be asking???

YET when TM's attorney has no pieces of this puzzle, because sadly TM is not here to tell his side. BUT HE walks out and said MURDER in cold blood as if it is a fact....any a load of people jump on that ban wagon...yet when GZ family sais something they are telling stories.
:what:

They are telling what GZ told them. I hope they trust and believe in him.
As I do in most of my family.

 

[LambChop]

That is not my understanding. IMO - The State Attorney rightly advised them (police) not to arrest because at the time they didn't have evidence a crime had been committed vis a vis the Stand Your Ground Law.

The dead body as a result of a gun shot wound is evidence of a crime, it's called homocide. jmo

 

[annalia]

To state that anyone here is claiming TM was killed BECAUSE he had Skittles and iced tea is really disingenuous.

As well as being absurd on every level.

The point is always that due to his profiling, this , this criminal, one of those a******that always gets away, the effin *****, was found with only skittles and iced tea.

JMHO

 

[dienermom]

"escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions"

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power.


It is nice that the Reverend put the word 'peaceful' in the middle of those words, but an escalation of civil disobedience means just what it says. A higher level of the refusal to obey certain laws.

How does a large angry crowd escalate peacefully? And how do they refuse to obey certain laws peacefully?

There are going to be some violent incidents, imo. Sharpton has said that the government has to arrest GZ NOW OR ELSE he unleashes the protestors, and asks them to escalate their civil disobedience, but 'peacefully.' Those words do not go together in a highly emotional situation like this, imo.

"An escalation in civil disobedience" I take to mean organized demonstrations, marches, etc., which to date have not taken place in this case, at least in a widespread manner. What I take it clearly *not* to mean is a call to criminal action, such as riots, looting, etc. He is well within his rights as an American to "unleash the protestors", as you put it, in fact we have a long history of protesting injustice (wherever one perceives it ) in this country.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If a moderator would like to delete my post that has offended some, I will have no problem with that? I was simply taking the words released by George's family/friend/lawyer and wrote it out as a sequence of events to show George's side of what he said happened that night. If you're offended by that, I really am sorry.

It was in no way intended to demean or disrespect victims of violence.