FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[Netzilla]

Even when on neighborhood watch, he is still a private person IMO with no authority. Subject to the same laws.

I agree and if he was defending himself after being attacked he was likely within his rights to shoot.

 

[Reality Orlando]

That's my fear as well.

Well, I really hope this weekend's demonstrations are peaceful. I'm literally 5 minutes from Sanford and have lots of friends there that I used to work with. People are worried.

 

[rbrnmw2]

Sitting in traffic and protesting in other ways that might break ordinances, etc. is certainly not the same thing as inciting a "non-peaceful" event, such as a riot, as has been implied here. People may be arrested for these actions, but that does not make them violent.

Dr King staged many of them

 

[jojomonkey]

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that![/QUOTE]

CLOSE UP. you can enlarge it and see more.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21353

Sorry, a dark mark on the TOP of his head doesn't match the description of the beating he took. It doesn't even look like a wound. If the police had photos of a beaten up GZ they would have released them to quell some of this tension and show that he was defending himself. They have not done so. Not to mention, Trayvon's body was found face down in the grass, facing away from the sidewalk - it doesn't add up.

Also - GZ was not taken to the hospital - a head bashing into the sidewalk? They would have taken him in an ambulance, whether he wanted to go or not. He could have died from something like that. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

 

[Inabsentia]

Yes, it's called reverse racism. Did you read that article about the black boys lighting the white boy on fire and telling him that this is what he deserves white boy? Racism died 50 years ago as far as I am concerned. We have a black president in office. GZ was not white either~!

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. George Zimmerman is a white hispanic male.
http://www.hispanicresearch.com/his...-doesnt-the-census-include-hispanic-as-a-race

 

[rotterdam]

What racially derisive language has Sharpton or Jackson used in this case?

And it may not matter that Zimmerman is not the son of a lieutenant on the force. Skin color, given the racial history of the region, is what the issue is. Had Collison struck a white dude in that manner, it is likely there would have been an arrest much faster. IMO.

Not too sure about that. "Homeless" could have been the main driver here.

 

[songline]

Jesse Jackson is a disciple of MLK, was there when he was killed. His rhetoric is no different. The vast majority of the country in the 1960's did not think MLK was for harmony, which is why he was gunned down. What makes Jesse Jackson any more of a divider than MLK?

I do not agree that is why he was gunned down.
That is another thread.
What Jackson was is not the same...
Under MLK he did not behave as he has since MLK.
Go look up what MLK camp thinks of this case.
his niece did speak out this week.
I do not recall but think her name is grace (not sure).
I don’t want to kidnap this thread.

 

[gitana1]

You don't consider

"Targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business."

"Blacks are under attack."

to be racially derisive? You don't think those quotes are solely meant to inflame and provoke? Killing black people is big business. Right.

No, not at all.

de·ri·sive (d

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derisive [dɪˈraɪsɪv -zɪv]adj showing or characterized by derision; mocking; scornful

Adj.1.derisive - abusing vocally; expressing contempt or ridicule; "derisive laughter"; "a jeering crowd"; "her mocking smile"; "taunting shouts of `coward' and `sissy'"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/derisive

I also think he's right. The truth is the truth. The prison-industrial complex is supported by the arrest and conviction of blacks. It would not survive without it.

 

[TonyGatto]

I have lived through riots, all of which began as peaceful civil disobedience. I hope I am wrong. But they are bussing in people from across the country to march on the police station. There is going to be a lot of heightened emotions and anger, some of it unwarranted, imo. Deja Vu.

What is this "busing in people" business? You don't need a visa to travel from outside of Florida to Sanford. This is the same argument the freedom riders were up against.

 

[Netzilla]

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that![/QUOTE]

CLOSE UP. you can enlarge it and see more.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21353

Not sure if you're saying it shows evidence of injury or doesn't show it.

Personally I don't think it is clear enough to make a determination either way.

 

[ggg]

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that!

Read the police report. Also, he was cleaned up by the SFD Rescue #38. #38's report is protected by HIPPA, so you won't see it in the media. So, are they in on the conspiracy too?

 

[songline]

First let me say, I'm on a cell using Tapatalk and it's really hard for me to read, follow, and respond to multi quotes. I cant see the part addressed to me while I'm typing my response. So if I seem to ignore portions, please know I did not. I read your entire post and I appreciate you taking time to "talk" to me here at WS. :smile:

Ok, disclaimer done.

I know the difficulties black people have faced in this country. I KNOW the heartache, struggles, sacrifice, and loss they have endured.
I get that. And I totally sympathize.
As an aside, my "idol" growing up was Harriet Tubman. I was obsessed with reading anything about her I could get my hands on.

Now, I was a little white girl in the deep south. So, I'm sure some people thought I was nuts. Lol

I'm not a racist. I HATE all forms of racism.

I believe everyone should be equal. Skin color should never matter.

I do think THIS case, as far as GZ is concerned is not a racial case.

LE??? Maybe. I just don't know.

But it really rubs me the wrong way when people call GZ a racist because we don't have any information that says that.I'm sure you addresses more than this in your post. Sorry if I missed anything.

Great Post Kimberlyd especially the BBM part :clap: :clap:

 

[katydid23]

"Civil Disobedience", as in Henry David Thoreau, not exactly a poster child of violence. Civil disobedience is viewed as the conscientious objection to laws which are manifestly unjust and offend the conscience. Hence, the acts of "unlawfulness" practiced during the civil rights movement. I don't find those frightening in the least, women not sitting in the back of the bus which the law demanded, black people sitting at whites only lunch counters, that is the face of American civil disobedience.

But this case is nothing at all like Rosa Parks' brave stance. Nothing like that at all. I know that everyone is trying hard to make it a cold blooded murder by a rascist klansman but it is not like that imo. GZ was wrong, VERY WRONG. He should have never gotten out of the car and carried a loaded gun with him. He was wrong. But I think what happened after that horrid decision on his part, was a combination of horrible decisions by both of them which ended in the killing.

If these busses full of protestors want to do something in the memory of Rosa Parks then they should look at the violent killing of 900 young black males in the past 2 years. Over 800 of them were killed by other young black men. If these protestors want to focus on ONE young man, killed by a stupid vigilante, then fine. Here we go.

But I think they should look at the violent killing of the hundreds of young black men. Then they would be really making changes to honor Ms. Parks, imo.

 

[m00c0w]

No, not at all.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/derisive

I also think he's right. The truth is the truth. The prison-industrial complex is supported by the arrest and conviction of blacks. It would not survive without it.

Regardless of whether you agree with my assertion or not, the next question is, is this the proper venue to address this? He's latching onto this event for his own agenda. As I stated before, it doesn't exactly seem like his top priority is getting justice for the Martin family.

 

[rotterdam]

Still, the big question remains, who initiated contact?

That is a no brainer. Unless I see evidence that Tray was following GZ.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well, I really hope this weekend's demonstrations are peaceful. I'm literally 5 minutes from Sanford and have lots of friends there that I used to work with. People are worried.

Gosh, I hope you and your loved ones stay safe.

I can not imagine being that close.

 

[songline]

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that!

They basically do not have to show us anything till the trial.
They do not have to dilute their case.
When they do not hold things close to the vest that is outright Dumb.

THIS does not give them a license to BS us.
It does not give them a license to not investigate any case thoroughly.
It just means you can want all you want, that is all it really means.

I ant to see lots of things like how the bullet hit and what angel and on and on, and on….
But more then that I really want a thorough investigation that is fair.

 

[ohiogirl]

Or was TM just standing his ground?

Knowing what little we do know - it is evident that GZ got out of the car (even if you go with GZ's account of being jumped from behind when RETURNING to his car regardless, GZ got out of the car. GZ took his loaded gun with him. GZ was looking for him (he told dispatch that he didn't know where he (TM) was)

Hinsight is 20/20 and from that I would conclude that GZ was the aggressor - first aggressor.

Think of a bar room fight. Words are exchanged inside the bar. One decides to walk way and goes out the door. The other one follows, all the while screaming and yelling and threatening - even if the first one stops and turns around to say something - who is the actual aggressor now?

IMHO - its the second guy that pursued the first guy out the door. The confrontation was over when one party disengaged and left the building. So, the second guy going out the door after him iniates a "new" confrontation simply by pursuit.

But that's JMHO

I guess the SYG law only applies to people who have loaded weapons. If you only have your fists, it doesn't come into play. Not quite fair, is it?

 

[TonyGatto]

Sitting in traffic is peaceful?
I'm sure that's disturbing the peace for people who need to get somewhere.
Taking over lobbies is disturbing peoples peace also.

Not my definition of peaceful.

You are very much in the minority. Sitting in the street is by all means deemed as a non-violent, peaceful protest. By your definition, JESUS was a very non peaceful person. And he sure was disturbing the peace for people who were looking to get somewhere.

 

[mercuriod]

Sorry, a dark mark on the TOP of his head doesn't match the description of the beating he took. It doesn't even look like a wound. If the police had photos of a beaten up GZ they would have released them to quell some of this tension and show that he was defending himself. They have not done so. Not to mention, Trayvon's body was found face down in the grass, facing away from the sidewalk - it doesn't add up.

Also - GZ was not taken to the hospital - a head bashing into the sidewalk? They would have taken him in an ambulance, whether he wanted to go or not. He could have died from something like that. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Unless he was a threat to himself or someone else at that moment the could not force him to go to the hospital if he did not want to. He does have a legal right to refuse treatment.