FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[Iminuru]

Google: 863-934-5847 gets these two hits (defunk links):

- 3 bulb flourescent lights ... good condition that i need to get rid of, you can but one or all if the offer is right. please call greg at 863 934-5847 or email me at [email protected] ... tampa.craigslist.org/hil/bfs/1457923836.html



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ACR

Good morning ACR...

In reference to the above, this is but ONE OF MANY cryptic listings... found in many very odd places!


Also... Your webpages are excellent... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I've been trying to find exactly what this "meeting" was, where (Orlando?), and when... do you have ANY other information in regards to this? Seems I recall it being referred to as some kind of "conference"... not sure.

Thanks

I gotta run, the info about the meeting with Jackson is in one of the Dec 09 Ledger articles, if I'm not mistaken. I know that doesn't help much, sorry!

Also, the interview with CE (cousin) seems to point that DM was in AS's life before Ms Butler's contact with DM in Sept 2008. CE made it sound as though DM came on the scene shortly after the first lawsuit, IMO. I can't remember what source (The Ledger or TBO) the CE interview was in. Sorry!

 

[cholzsch]

Right!Exactly my point. I brought this up before. This is done when a case is done and settled. To me it looks like a check was issued, case settled. Then moore comes along and reopens it. How can she do that?

Case WAS settled, as a judgment was entered, but the judgment wasn't satisfied yet till DM paid the judgment off. Yes, the case was over, and the ORIGINAL documents could be destroyed (digital copies are retained) as per Fla. Admin. Code 2.430(3)(b), but the judgment remained in effect until it was paid off. Once DM paid the judgment, (it escapes my why she did, after AS's death), the case docket was adjusted to add her as plaintiff. So she now holds a judgment against AS (or now, his estate) for 21K+.

 

[Iminuru]

Found this posted by Slammed... forgot the date of post etc, but by putting "user name" in the WS Search tool... you'll see the other posts at this time as well. (below bbm)

"I find it odd that on her realtor listing she is under her normal barbara jackson for the millennium re, and also sonya jackson under a "shakespear and co acquisition and finance"

There are soooo many alias/other names/slightly changed names within all of the people/transactions etc... it's unreal!

Also, we've had some mysterious posters over the last months... wonder where they took off to...

ETA: post# 291, 01-13-2010, 01:30 AM... by wanttohelp... interesting... crazy name/changes/additions or something... all to make it hard to track/understand?

[as I am pushing the back button to explain the parcel, look what caught my eye...
link of page catching my eye

want to add that a made up person or something they did that many people claim to be an heir was of a person elle mae johnson. there are many docs on her estate

ok this caught my eye.
126 27-28-09-822000-040102 JACKSON JESSIE MAE ET AL PEARL ST 2/1/1981

this is going to all come back to the jacksons and lewis I know it!

the link that wanttohelp has there, didn't carry over... here's link to the post...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4672215&highlight=Jackson+Orlando#post4672215

:waitasec:

 

[Iminuru]

Another post/info from using Advanced Search here... in regard to DM meeting Franklin... posted by wanttohelp 12-19-2009, 09:24 PM... Thread #3/post #111

" "When I met her, she was in a wheelchair," Jackson said last week. Moore said she had been in a car accident. "She wheeled up right beside me."

Moore was part of a group of people Jackson told about Shakespeare and how he had changed her views about money. "It's not about money at all," Jackson said. "It's about helping people."

Moore told Jackson she was a writer and that she wanted to do a story on her and Shakespeare. Maybe even a book. Jackson set up a meeting. The three of them got together in Lakeland.

"When she came to the house," Jackson said, "she jumped out of a Hummer, walking. And she was on heels. She said she healed herself through scuba therapy. It wasn't even two weeks." "
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...l-play/1058518

Though, I'd like to figure out WHERE and WHEN they really met... as far as the Orlando meeting goes... but, IMO, this is not the actual first time. There's a recent post in reference to BJ having received a very large sum of money almost immediately upon AS getting the lotto check?


(wanttohelp... Thank you for all of your hard work, dedication, research!!!!)

 

[tigergal71]

I've not seen anyone comment on this, but I may have missed it.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20100204/NEWS/2045030/1338

*snipped*

At times she blamed

a relative of Shakespeare's,
a lawyer,
her teenage son,
a drug dealer
and finally herself in an act of self-defense, prosecutors said.



And snipped from this link:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/crime/020310dee-dee-moore-points-finger-at-own-son

In court, there was a stunning answer from the Assistant State Attorney when the judge asked him if Moore was being cooperative.

Assistant State Attorney Jay Pruner responds, "To the extent if cooperation involves giving a variety of explanations about how Mr. Shakespeare was killed including being killed by her 14-year-old son, her attorney, Mr. Shakespeare's cousin and drug dealer, or herself in self-defense; if that's cooperation your honor."
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Her attorney.

Why has there been no mention of Shar yet by LE other than he's DDM's boyfriend and/or business partner?

ETA- just noticed Shar's mom finally dropped DDM from her Facebook friends.

BBM
This was not her attorney who said that. It is the Assistant to the State Attorney (the Prosecutor).
Also, I keep wondering the same thing....why no mention of Shar? He MUST be working with LE.

 

[Iminuru]

From: http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1068949.ece

"Moore met the Realtor who sold Shakespeare his home at a Kissimmee conference in November 2008."

From: LexisNexisNews article

"It started at an annual small-business conference in November 2008 in Kissimmee. That's where Moore met Barbara Jackson. Jackson was the Realtor who had sold Shakespeare his house on Red Hawk Bend."


I've searched much of the winter of 2008... conferences/meetings/orlando/kissimmee/you name it... nothing even remotely close to anything like this... yet...

 

[Iminuru]

We've gotta figure out how this Eva Williams came into the picture... and the rest of "who is she"!

Also, and It's very creepy that Shar is kind of missing in action! His signature doesn't seem to be anywhere lately... wonder if LEO know where he is...:waitasec:

Uh huh... WHERE IS HE???

 

[Sleuthster]

I was going through the google archives looking at stuff about Abraham Shakespeare before all the media hit with his disapearance and murder.

I found this
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=6783,5407534&dq=abraham+shakespeare&hl=en


This interview was done 2 months after he won the lottery. It makes me sad, he seemed like a down to earth guy. I also saw an article but it was a pay article and I could only see a bit, but it was from 2000 and he was living in a housing project and was discussing his objection to camera's being installed in the project. The point is, here was a guy that barely had a dime to his name, lived in the projects at one point, and won the lottery. Can you imagine the difference he made in his family and friends and then this greedy b*tch comes along and conspires to take everything from Abraham. I only got one thing to say to DD, One tin solder DD, Come the judgement day you will be geting yours.

 

[Sleuthster]

Also, reading that article he talks about seting up a corporation for rehabilitation of homes and affordable housing. This could be IMO where DeeDee got the idea to contact him and run her scam.

 

[Iminuru]

As per one of my previous posts, hope you don't mind some questions in regards to your post/s... in my trying to put together some pieces...

When I filed the complaint, I got the general reply that someone would look into it.

There have been 2 figures that brought hell to Abraham: Greg Massey and Barbara Jackson.

Abraham was a very decent guy that just wanted to help people and see them smile. he trusted Greg and Barbara to execute his attempts to help people. Both Greg and Barbara had little going on before the met Abraham. He was their meal tickets. So, everyone grows from those two.

BJ, was the guy that Cedric Edom spoke of whom received $1 mil from Abraham during his initial trip from collecting the $17 mil. BJ took Abraham in when he had nowhere to live, so Abraham wanted to repay BJ and his family. BJ got the money and left Abraham alone and unprotected. Once, BJ realized what he done - he asked me (the college grad and community activist) what could be done about Abraham paying for a house without a prior appraisal. This resulted in my filing of the complaint.

As part of that deal, Abraham was sold a drainage ditch as an adjacent lot - which really outraged him once I brought that to his attention.

So, BJ and family was on one side {and} Greg and Barbara were on the other side fighting for Abraham's attention.

All of the spending and bank accounts came from Greg and Barbara.

BJ and his family were just rectless spenders of the cash they received from Abraham.

I asked Abraham to review his credit report and not spend money but build his credit instead. Upon review, I noticed that his $1,075,000 house was not paid off, but had a mortgage from Wachovia bank secured by a cash desposit of $1,075,000.

I was like, why are you paying the bank interest for no reason, just pay the house off in full - you are wasting money. These are the type of deals Greg and Barbara got him involved in.

The FBI needs to cover this case because banks defrauded Abraham also.

In reference to the bolded by me area's above:

*You've known Barbara Jackson and Greg Massey for how long?

*You knew Abraham for how long?

*"BJ was the guy..".. Barbara and/or her husband... or both?

*In WS Dmoore posts, it was said that BJ received a loan of a much smaller amount. How did you learn of this larger amount?

*When was it that BJ took AS in "when he had nowhere to live"? And where... In Orlando, Winterhaven, or Lakeland?

*With, "So, BJ and family was on one side {and} Greg and Barbara were on the other side fighting for Abraham's attention.": BJ=Barbara and family on one side... and Barbara and Greg on other? Meaning Barbara on both?

*Per Polk County Clerk of Courts public records... putting in the Jackson's many many names... they sure have had a lot of dealings over the years!!

*

I might come back and add more afterthought questions...

 

[ohiogirl]

And another thing....

OK, this has been bothering me for awhile, I just keep forgetting to mention it.

In various articles, it has been reported that when DD met AS, he had a high mortgage payment (I think she even said that on this forum). I cannot, for the life of me, find ANY reference to a mortgage on the Redhawk house. Has anyone seen one?

Quote from one of her posts here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4548419#post4548419



Aaah...here's the post I was looking for! (SEARCH function is greaaat!)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4528044#post4528044
So....where is the public record of this mortgage????

IIRC, this loan was secured by a deposit of funds. The $$ would be securing the loan, not the property. He still could have had the large payment and been behind, but no mortgage. IMO

 

[cholzsch]

IIRC, this loan was secured by a deposit of funds. The $$ would be securing the loan, not the property. He still could have had the large payment and been behind, but no mortgage. IMO

Got it!...so, he took out a loan (secured bank loan - not a mortgage) for the purchase price of the house, using funds deposited in the bank as collateral for the loan. WOW...wonder who advised him to do that?

 

[blue mermaid]

As per one of my previous posts, hope you don't mind some questions in regards to your post/s... in my trying to put together some pieces...



In reference to the bolded by me area's above:

*You've known Barbara Jackson and Greg Massey for how long?

*You knew Abraham for how long?

*"BJ was the guy..".. Barbara and/or her husband... or both?

*In WS Dmoore posts, it was said that BJ received a loan of a much smaller amount. How did you learn of this larger amount?

*When was it that BJ took AS in "when he had nowhere to live"? And where... In Orlando, Winterhaven, or Lakeland?

*With, "So, BJ and family was on one side {and} Greg and Barbara were on the other side fighting for Abraham's attention.": BJ=Barbara and family on one side... and Barbara and Greg on other? Meaning Barbara on both?

*Per Polk County Clerk of Courts public records... putting in the Jackson's many many names... they sure have had a lot of dealings over the years!!

*

I might come back and add more afterthought questions...

I thought BJ was someone else?

"The next day, Edom says, he found out Shakespeare was bringing along a man from the neighborhood and the man's children. By the time Shakespeare got back, he had agreed to give the man $1 million for himself and another $1 million for the children, Edom said."

bbm
more at link

Methinks amerikai is telling us that his initials are BJ too?

 

[blue mermaid]

BBM
This was not her attorney who said that. It is the Assistant to the State Attorney (the Prosecutor).
Also, I keep wondering the same thing....why no mention of Shar? He MUST be working with LE.

Yes, I know. I was attempting to point out that she had at one time blamed her attorney for Abraham's death.

Sorry, tigergal71! I was typing what I thought and not considering what it would look like to others. Which I do quite often. lol

 

[blue mermaid]

I saw another picture of this boat, and it was a little closer... I believe this is what is on the side:
FL7393ND

You know how to find registration info on it?

I *think* boat registration is like motor vehicle registration- private.

 

[Iminuru]

Got it!...so, he took out a loan (secured bank loan - not a mortgage) for the purchase price of the house, using funds deposited in the bank as collateral for the loan. WOW...wonder who advised him to do that?

Wondering about BJ's part in that absurd loan situation... and is that what is being said below... as well as the accuracy to back this, if in fact that is the house/loan situation.

All of the spending and bank accounts came from Greg and Barbara.

BJ and his family were just rectless spenders of the cash they received from Abraham.

I asked Abraham to review his credit report and not spend money but build his credit instead. Upon review, I noticed that his $1,075,000 house was not paid off, but had a mortgage from Wachovia bank secured by a cash desposit of $1,075,000.

I was like, why are you paying the bank interest for no reason, just pay the house off in full - you are wasting money. These are the type of deals Greg and Barbara got him involved in.

The FBI needs to cover this case because banks defrauded Abraham also.

(above snip and bbm)

 

[Rizzy]

I saw another picture of this boat, and it was a little closer... I believe this is what is on the side:
FL7393ND

You know how to find registration info on it?

Thank you for looking at the registration numbers.

It looks like you have to fit the "requirements" to obtain the info according to the download document ...

http://www.flhsmv.gov/data/past.html

Current or Previous Owner of a Vehicle
To determine who the current or previous owner of a vehicle/vessel is, please do the following (please note this information is not available via telephone inquiry):

Download Form HSMV 85054 - Records Request
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BTR/85054.pdf

Complete the form. Specify which of the three formats you desire (i.e. by current registration , by vehicle identification number and/or vehicle owner name).
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Also found this site for looking up Florida boat registrations but no luck so far.

http://www.marinetitle.com/boat-registration/FL-Florida.htm
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[ACandyRose]

I was going through the google archives looking at stuff about Abraham Shakespeare before all the media hit with his disapearance and murder.

I found this
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=6783,5407534&dq=abraham+shakespeare&hl=en


This interview was done 2 months after he won the lottery. It makes me sad, he seemed like a down to earth guy. I also saw an article but it was a pay article and I could only see a bit, but it was from 2000 and he was living in a housing project and was discussing his objection to camera's being installed in the project. The point is, here was a guy that barely had a dime to his name, lived in the projects at one point, and won the lottery. Can you imagine the difference he made in his family and friends and then this greedy b*tch comes along and conspires to take everything from Abraham. I only got one thing to say to DD, One tin solder DD, Come the judgement day you will be geting yours.

Thank you for finding this!

Here's the section of the article relating to Abraham Shakespeare. I notice mention of "Antoinette Andrews" who is the mother of his oldest son.

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Residents' viewpoint of cameras mixed
[FLORIDA Edition]

Tampa Tribune - Tampa, Fla.
Author: STEVE NEWBORN
Date: Mar 25, 2000
Start Page: 2
Section: POLK
Text Word Count: 723

(SNIP)

"Square in the path of one of those cameras sat several residents of the Washington Park Homes housing project, shaded from the hot sun by their porch overhang. That overhang couldn't screen out their image, which was being monitored by police.

Police believe the cameras will deter crime in the city's most active areas. But what do residents think? Is this watchful eye an invasion of their privacy?

"That depends on what they're looking for," said Abraham Shakespeare, who was lounging on the front porch of his apartment, square in the path of the camera. "They can't see around corners."

His neighbor, Antoinette Andrews, said "It's a good thing, because then they can see when these boys steal cars and bring them in."

But the question of why the first cameras were installed in predominantly black housing projects tugged at Shakespeare.

"They should put cameras uptown in housing complexes, too, not only in the black section," he said. "They won't put cameras around Lake Hollingsworth. They need to put them on Combee Road and Wabash [Avenue]."

Still, Shakespeare said, "It's a good thing if it'll stop people from getting raped or getting killed."

He then wondered if a .44 Magnum could put that camera out of commission."

(SNIP)

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ACR

 

[Iminuru]

Names brought up in a Dmoore post:

2009-12-06 - Dee Dee Moore posting *excerpt* on websleuths.com - "They ask about Gregory Massey because he use to help Abraham out with his business. He was the one with Franklin Jackson in the newspaper when he first started his loan business. I talk with Greg Massey and he has no idea where he would go. I'm willing to offer 10,000.00 for someone to take him to the nearst sheriffs department for me." - "Michael World - moved shortly after Abraham did. He owned a clothing store in town and owed Mr. Shakespeare 100,000.00. He would have not hurt him but could be helping him hide." - "Eddie Dixon, Freddy West, Clearance West, Barbara and Franklin Jackson, Jimand Zaid" [12/06/09 08:15 PM] http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=92288&page=6

Jackson's, of course... but I wonder about the others, and how they fit in...


Link, to the post, doesn't work though... must be one of the posts that was removed.


(above snipped courtesy of ACandyRose's work in compiling the Dmoore posts... Thanks!)