FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[Susan1]

https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web...hType=Party+Name&ascaseid=371915&ascrttype=CR
Has this already been looked into, or does anyone have any idea of what this was all about? Same DDM we are talking about, or coincidence of same name in this case?

James Valenti was one of the attorneys for Abraham when Michael Ford claimed the lottery ticket was his and took Abraham to court. James Valenti talks about it in this article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582251,00.html

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=7266554&file_num=2009101993&doc_status=V

Valenti's firm was involved in the Appeal as shown from the link above. Note that the firm withdrew after briefing according to the document. Given the later Judgment they got against Abraham, I would have to wonder if they withdrew because they weren't being paid. Just an assumption given the records available at this time. It relates back to the original Judgment here:
http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=7143681&file_num=2008200888&doc_status=V

I guess the only way to know for sure is to read the complaint, but it says the file was destroyed on 3/2/09, not too helpful.

https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web...hType=Party+Name&ascaseid=371915&ascrttype=CR

Then on 10/22/09, Dorice was substituted as the Plaintiff in the case. I believe that would mean that Abraham's debt to the law firm was now owed to her. Which included the safe deposit box at the bank. I believe at one point we were talking about who was there with her when she opened it, but I can't remember where we got the information, so I can't say with certainty that she ever really did open it.

 

[ACandyRose]

https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web...hType=Party+Name&ascaseid=371915&ascrttype=CR
Has this already been looked into, or does anyone have any idea of what this was all about? Same DDM we are talking about, or coincidence of same name in this case?

I'm still not sure how but apparently this case was listed as substituting the originaly plaintiff with Dee Dee Moore, who then, in the end of the case, was allowed access to Abraham's bank account at Community bank as well as access to his safe deposit box. I'm still shaking my head at how anybody should have been allowed access to a safe deposit box. :banghead:

On another note, Finally, do you happen to know who the boat and trailer belonged to that was parked on the cement slab where they found Abraham?

ACR

 

[Finally_]

Ok are we talking about when DDM made that last interview with media just before her arrest, when she stated that the officer Troy... was asked to go to a bank with her to open a safety deposit box that had two pieces of paper in it supposedly?

 

[Finally_]

I'm still not sure how but apparently this case was listed as substituting the originaly plaintiff with Dee Dee Moore, who then, in the end of the case, was allowed access to Abraham's bank account at Community bank as well as access to his safe deposit box. I'm still shaking my head at how anybody should have been allowed access to a safe deposit box. :banghead:

On another note, Finally, do you happen to know who the boat and trailer belonged to that was parked on the cement slab where they found Abraham?

ACR

No, not sure about the boat, and which trailer are you talking about? The trailer she parked there for the removal of the body, or another one? I will work on what I can.

 

[Susan1]

Ok are we talking about when DDM made that last interview with media just before her arrest, when she stated that the officer Troy... was asked to go to a bank with her to open a safety deposit box that had two pieces of paper in it supposedly?

Thanks, Finally. That's what I thought. Officer Troy who was only getting charged with giving her a license plate number seems to be more involved in this than just a license plate. Sure, bring the guy you are paying on the side to watch you open a safety deposit box. And as I recall, there was also talk from Abraham's friends that he was involved in putting pressure on them on Dorice's behalf as well. If these things are true, why isn't he being charged with more? And is he still on the force? Worse yet, is he suspended with pay? I'd hate to think that is where my taxes are going. He may have had a great career until now, but in my opinion, he has pretty much destroyed it and tarnished the department's reputation as well, along with the Lt. who I believe was just imprisoned for stalking his ex. How can any police officer trust him when he is helping someone he knew was a POI in a murder case and the license plate she was asking him to check turned out to be an investigator's. Luckily she was a number off so the investigator wasn't exposed. But he was exposed as an untrustworthy cop. I think he has his hearing coming up next week.

 

[ACandyRose]

tigergal71- ETA means "edited to add" ; )

I do like seeing different thoughts and questions.

I believe she could have dumped Abraham in the hole by herself, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone helped either. Didn't someone post just a short time ago that *someone* could make DDM "jump" too? Who could that person have been?

If I recall correctly, J Moore suggested the hole go behind 5802.

IF (and this is a BIG IF) the tiles where the "oil spill" occurred were in the hole with Abraham, then there had to have been a helper IMO.

I appreciate the input on the dirt not having to settle. I've never had occasion to dig a big ol' hole and then pour concrete over it.

And thanks to JLMcKenna83 for the sunset time.

How long would it take to dig a hole large enough to place a body 5-6 ft down? (I *think* that's what the paper said- I could be wrong.) An hour at the most? If so, then J Moore started digging in the late afternoon, left for an hour or two, then came back about 7ish.

I also like to read different thoughts and questions and I don't mind at all that others used my original "thinking out loud" thoughts to expand with their own thoughts.

Yes, the probable cause affidavit stated James Moore suggested the hole be dug behind the 5802 property. Obviously Dee Dee must have told him that she already put a bid and/or money on that property for him to suggest that.

On the BIG "IF" on whether the so called "oil spilled" tiles were also in the hole, then that also changes the time span of when the hole was dug to allow somebody time to rip up those "oil spilled' tiles. The question is, did Dee Dee just have a few tiles replaced or had this "somebody" replace all the tiles on the floor?

Of course the BIGGER "IF" is whether those reported "oil spilled" tiles were really "blood spilled tiles", means "IF" that is where Abraham was shot, and "IF' there was a rug there, that would mean blood on the rug, which could have stained through onto the tiles, thus a reason to rip them up. "IF" this were the scenero, then Abraham's body had to be moved to somewhere quickly, probably rolled in the rug to get it off the floor and hid until the hole was dug.

ACR

 

[ACandyRose]

No, not sure about the boat, and which trailer are you talking about? The trailer she parked there for the removal of the body, or another one? I will work on what I can.

In two of the pics from the media, there was a boat and a boat trailer in addition to the white truck and a trailer attached to that.

Reference:

Credit: The Ledger

Credit: Tampa Tribune

ACR

 

[ACandyRose]

Ok are we talking about when DDM made that last interview with media just before her arrest, when she stated that the officer Troy... was asked to go to a bank with her to open a safety deposit box that had two pieces of paper in it supposedly?

Yeah, there was a video at this link:
http://www.wesh.com/news/22412790/detail.html

FROM THE VIDEO:
- She said Officer Troy Young video taped her going into the safe deposit box, NO cash, 2 pieces of paper.
- She wrote finance book called "Organize Me Now." It wasn't published but says it is copyrighted.

ACR

 

[Finally_]

In two of the pics from the media, there was a boat and a boat trailer in addition to the white truck and a trailer attached to that.

Reference:

Credit: The Ledger

Credit: Tampa Tribune

ACR

From what I understand, the boat belonged to DDM's son. Also, from what I understand the truck/trailer belonged to DDM's Dad.

 

[wanttohelp]

Above notice when the IRS lean was cleared and I recall DMoore posting about paying off Supposedly for AS

here's results for shar:

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The number of Pages are estimated for documents where the Pages value is marked with *.
Order From To Date Document Type County Instrument Number Book/Page Pages
GEIGER DEBORAH SPENCER;
SPENCER DARLENE KRASNIQI SHAR ANTHONY 03/13/2009 DEED GULF 200923001041 472/189 2
****Description: FARM 6 GULF COUNTY FARMS INC PROPERTIES ( View Image )
LAND RICHARD JR KRASNIQI SHAR 04/30/2009 DEED HILLSBOROUGH 2009141057 19229/1048 1
****Description: PT S23 T29 R21
KRASNIQI SHAR MARLIN JAMES INC 02/20/2009 NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT HILLSBOROUGH 2009057759 19110/1082 1
****Description: PT S23 T29 R21
[END OF RECORDS]

Thanks new day!

I have not seen this one. Anyone with link to his ticket would be appreciated too.
As far as that case involving Valentic,DD,Abraham there is alot in the threads, you will see we have

....N/M seen it, but havent see ticket.

 

[ACandyRose]

From what I understand, the boat belonged to DDM's son. Also, from what I understand the truck/trailer belonged to DDM's Dad.

If this is the case from your understanding, interesting that she would park her son's boat on Abraham's grave and then use her own father's truck to haul the body away. :banghead:

Do you know what the boy used the boat for or how long they had it there?

Was her son into fishing?

Another question. I think it was you (or guitarman?) who said Shar was doing a lot of the renovation on the houses. Do you know if he was doing all of that himself or did he have helpers, perhaps buddies of his to help do the work and/or carry out the trash as reconstruction was being done?

ACR

 

[A_New_Day]

Do you mean the traffic citation? I'll try to copy the link, but it's on the hills county court website. ( still posting from iPod.. Getting a lil better

The posts above are from myfloridacounty.com public records search for those who aren't familiar..

 

[guitarman_fl]

If this is the case from your understanding, interesting that she would park her son's boat on Abraham's grave and then use her own father's truck to haul the body away. :banghead:

Do you know what the boy used the boat for or how long they had it there?

Was her son into fishing?

Another question. I think it was you (or guitarman?) who said Shar was doing a lot of the renovation on the houses. Do you know if he was doing all of that himself or did he have helpers, perhaps buddies of his to help do the work and/or carry out the trash as reconstruction was being done?

ACR

hi finally, i said that dee dee told pp that shar replaced the tile floor, the whole place was repainted according to pp. she told me that as le was digging, that dee dee was saying i am going to be arrested to pp and dm,
then dee dee told pp according to pp that dee dee approached pp and said shar helped me cover up the blood, then pp told me she lost it as she got angry, but told me that dee deed told her that shar replaced, repaired the tiles, then pp told me that that her and shar have spoken to le and told them that dee dee claimed oil was spilled as pp told me that's what shar told her dee said,,,,also did you find out how long the backhoe was there , as you said pp's other son was playing with the backhoe????

 

[guitarman_fl]

Thanks new day!

I have not seen this one. Anyone with link to his ticket would be appreciated too.
As far as that case involving Valentic,DD,Abraham there is alot in the threads, you will see we have

....N/M seen it, but havent see ticket.

well i guess A.S ."s family will get the land in gulf county purchased his own blood money??????

 

[ACandyRose]

well i guess A.S ."s family will get the land in gulf county purchased his own blood money??????

http://www.theledger.com/article/20...uspect-Mother-Of-Shakespeare-Vows-Forgiveness

Yeppers, look like it from the link above:

"Pastor H.B. Holmes said Walker recently met with lawyer Willie E. Gary to discuss the possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit and how to wrest from Moore the remains of Abraham Shakespeare's fortune. Gary originally represented Shakespeare in a lawsuit over the $30 million winning lottery ticket."

ACR

 

[Finally_]

If this is the case from your understanding, interesting that she would park her son's boat on Abraham's grave and then use her own father's truck to haul the body away. :banghead:

Do you know what the boy used the boat for or how long they had it there?

Was her son into fishing?

Another question. I think it was you (or guitarman?) who said Shar was doing a lot of the renovation on the houses. Do you know if he was doing all of that himself or did he have helpers, perhaps buddies of his to help do the work and/or carry out the trash as reconstruction was being done?

ACR

I can't give you any further answers for the boat. I don't know anything further in reference to the boat.

As far as renovations...oh my goodness, not sure of every single thing, but from somewhere media/postings/I don't know. $70,000.00 to 5802 and $50,000.00 to 5732. From what I understand, she was going to buy the 5732 but when the owner saw all the renovations, he went up on price. As you saw on that one permit the HVAC system that Shar put on 5732 alone, I was told was worth $10,000.00. Then you have a kitchen completely renovated from the floor up, just about most of that residence was renovated from the floor up as well with the exception of new drywall, not sure if the actual drywall was replaced. Almost top of the line appliances also. And the 5802 was just about redone from the floor up as well. Windows and some doors included in that renovation I believe. Also, to answer some questions, asked many times in reference to burial date and time of purchase to 5802, I was told there was already some type of papers in the works long before the actual deed was on record April 30, 2009. And yes, from what I undertand, Shar did all of these renovations himself!

 

[Finally_]

hi finally, i said that dee dee told pp that shar replaced the tile floor, the whole place was repainted according to pp. she told me that as le was digging, that dee dee was saying i am going to be arrested to pp and dm,
then dee dee told pp according to pp that dee dee approached pp and said shar helped me cover up the blood, then pp told me she lost it as she got angry, but told me that dee deed told her that shar replaced, repaired the tiles, then pp told me that that her and shar have spoken to le and told them that dee dee claimed oil was spilled as pp told me that's what shar told her dee said,,,,also did you find out how long the backhoe was there , as you said pp's other son was playing with the backhoe????

From what I was told as it occurred, you are correct in what you heard. I too, heard of these things as they were occurring, I called LE on like the 26-27 of Jan. and told him to "look under that concrete" LE told me he had "had a feeling about that concrete for some time now". The one thing I found interesting is, I was being told ALOT of things, in which I also told LE about, but I was NEVER told of the one room being tiled/retiled, until I had gone out there the 20th of Feb, and went into that particular room and felt what I felt, and asked the other person that was present, "what in the he** happened in this room, I can feel it!" That was when that person ONLY told me that DDM had Shar tile/retile that room due an oil stain. No, I am unable at this time to find out any info about the time frame of the backhoe.

 

[guitarman_fl]

I can't give you any further answers for the boat. I don't know anything further in reference to the boat.

As far as renovations...oh my goodness, not sure of every single thing, but from somewhere media/postings/I don't know. $70,000.00 to 5802 and $50,000.00 to 5732. From what I understand, she was going to buy the 5732 but when the owner saw all the renovations, he went up on price. As you saw on that one permit the HVAC system that Shar put on 5732 alone, I was told was worth $10,000.00. Then you have a kitchen completely renovated from the floor up, just about most of that residence was renovated from the floor up as well with the exception of new drywall, not sure if the actual drywall was replaced. Almost top of the line appliances also. And the 5802 was just about redone from the floor up as well. Windows and some doors included in that renovation I believe. Also, to answer some questions, asked many times in reference to burial date and time of purchase to 5802, I was told there was already some type of papers in the works long before the actual deed was on record April 30, 2009. And yes, from what I undertand, Shar did all of these renovations himself!

howdy,
i think shar's brother and a friend were there sometime in april 09 to help shar... that one of the friends, if there were more than one, has callled le to say he was not involved.... according to a friend of shar and ja"s is from whom i was told this. however i can't say who actually did the work.

 

[Finally_]

Here's something interesting as well, IMO. I have read a few of your theories as to date of death/date of hole being dug/etc.

Take this into consideration, seriously. For one, if AS was still alive on April 7, JH was close to AS, close enough to be trusted by him to be POA. When at 0200 April 7th, JH received that call in regards to the AS being in an altercation...la...la...la, later that day on April 7th, wouldn't JH have made sure to make contact with AS to check on him and what DDM had claimed supposedly happened the night before? And after telling LE in reference to all that don't you find it interesting...that JH didn't state whether or not she had ever seen AS after the 6th? IMO, JH had to have already known what happened, not to have asked to see him on the 7th, and why hasn't it came into media/CRA as to whether or not JH did or did not in fact see AS on the 7th? Does anyone see my point here?

 

[Finally_]

howdy,
i think shar's brother and a friend were there sometime in april 09 to help shar... that one of the friends, if there were more than one, has callled le to say he was not involved.... according to a friend of shar and ja"s is from whom i was told this. however i can't say who actually did the work.

You may be right in Shar having helpers, I can only go by what I get told. Maybe he did have physical helpers in the renovations, but I believe he did all the design/etc himself. And yes you read correctly a few pages back, I was told that PP's other son was there whenever the backhoe was and I was told that he was messing around on it. But these are only hear-say things, not facts.