FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[Finally_]

ok, what's the deal here? when I first log on like 2 members 1 guest. My fingers get to tapping and we have 4 members 5 guests? I feel like a celebrity...lol...j/k!

 

[Finally_]

guitarman_fl, I think you and I have the floor!

 

[ACandyRose]

I can't give you any further answers for the boat. I don't know anything further in reference to the boat.

As far as renovations...oh my goodness, not sure of every single thing, but from somewhere media/postings/I don't know. $70,000.00 to 5802 and $50,000.00 to 5732. From what I understand, she was going to buy the 5732 but when the owner saw all the renovations, he went up on price. As you saw on that one permit the HVAC system that Shar put on 5732 alone, I was told was worth $10,000.00. Then you have a kitchen completely renovated from the floor up, just about most of that residence was renovated from the floor up as well with the exception of new drywall, not sure if the actual drywall was replaced. Almost top of the line appliances also. And the 5802 was just about redone from the floor up as well. Windows and some doors included in that renovation I believe. Also, to answer some questions, asked many times in reference to burial date and time of purchase to 5802, I was told there was already some type of papers in the works long before the actual deed was on record April 30, 2009. And yes, from what I undertand, Shar did all of these renovations himself!

Wow, that's hard to fathom Dee Dee putting that much money into renovating a house that she didn't even own at the time, speaking of the 5732 State Rd house. Trying to look past her stupidity, I assume she thought it was a done deal to buy the house.

Back to the *concrete.* What type of renovation were they doing that required them to be breaking up old concrete? Did they put in a new patio or something that required breaking up the old concrete to be replaced?

Shar is a relatively young man, where did he get the knowledge and experience to do all the various renovation? Did he, at one time work at that trade, or taught by his father, grandfather, etc.

ACR

 

[guitarman_fl]

From what I was told as it occurred, you are correct in what you heard. I too, heard of these things as they were occurring, I called LE on like the 26-27 of Jan. and told him to "look under that concrete" LE told me he had "had a feeling about that concrete for some time now". The one thing I found interesting is, I was being told ALOT of things, in which I also told LE about, but I was NEVER told of the one room being tiled/retiled, until I had gone out there the 20th of Feb, and went into that particular room and felt what I felt, and asked the other person that was present, "what in the he** happened in this room, I can feel it!" That was when that person ONLY told me that DDM had Shar tile/retile that room due an oil stain. No, I am unable at this time to find out any info about the time frame of the backhoe.

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finally, if you heard these things as they were occurring , you must have been there.....? what role , or is there someone in the group of people you were connectedl with, if you infact were there, what were you doing there, i got my info from pp, she has not spoken, called, emailed in more than 2 weeks.
trying to piece together who did what. i myself think that to fill a hole with const. garbage, move a body, clean the house or where ever the bodywas is way to much for one person to do alone in such a short time.
and was the person that ONLY told you about the tile floor being fixed pp?
ARE YOU TELLING ,, ME THat LE,had NOT BEEN told prior, because this was told to me around 3 weeks ago....wow

 

[Finally_]

Wow, that's hard to fathom Dee Dee putting that much money into renovating a house that she didn't even own at the time, speaking of the 5732 State Rd house. Trying to look past her stupidity, I assume she thought it was a done deal to buy the house.

Back to the *concrete.* What type of renovation were they doing that required them to be breaking up old concrete? Did they put in a new patio or something that required breaking up the old concrete to be replaced?

Shar is a relatively young man, where did he get the knowledge and experience to do all the various renovation? Did he, at one time work at that trade, or taught by his father, grandfather, etc.

ACR

Please understand these are things I have been told. And in seeing the insides of these two homes, it's not hard to see where that kind of money went. But, IMO, DDM was for-seeing yet another cash cow out off of AS in renovationg 5802, as she was having it renovated/set up for office suites at (according to that ad on craiglist) $650.00 each! So again she was going to use AS money to renovate a home into office suites to again benefit off of AS in the money she was hoping to make off of the offices. And let me tell you, the decor in that house did NOT come from Walmart! As far as Shar, I stated in a post awhile back, I was told he did have or was working on some type of architect/contractor degree or something of the sort, in which he put on hold all for DDM and her "Do-Boy"/"Honey-DO" lists.

 

[ACandyRose]

In addition to all of Dee Dee's financial ventures, was she still into selling cell phones, Mary Kay Products, and what were all the silk flowers for that were in her garage at the RedHawk Bend house?

 

[Finally_]

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finally, if you heard these things as they were occurring , you must have been there.....? what role , or is there someone in the group of people you were connectedl with, if you infact were there, what were you doing there, i got my info from pp, she has not spoken, called, emailed in more than 2 weeks.
trying to piece together who did what. i myself think that to fill a hole with const. garbage, move a body, clean the house or where ever the bodywas is way to much for one person to do alone in such a short time.
and was the person that ONLY told you about the tile floor being fixed pp?
ARE YOU TELLING ,, ME THat LE,had NOT BEEN told prior, because this was told to me around 3 weeks ago....wow

Remember, I did not know any of these people until the end of Summer last year. I don't know if you read any of my prior posts. But when I walked into 5732 for the first time, by purely coincidence I was put into DDM office. There were areas/things that brought my attention closely to. I even went home that day and told my family what all I had experienced, and again, as I have told others....I am NOT crazy and do NOT suffer from any mental illnesses. I just get feelings about things , don't why until later dates/times and sometimes never know why I get these feelings. Anyways, not to get off track. That first time I met PP, I was told that DDM was a licensed Psychologist. I found that odd, that "IF" DDM was a Licensed Psychologist, working all those years for that degree, why did she not WORK as ONE? Anyways, I got to know DebM (prior staffing person) rather well. By November we talked on a daily basis almost. Then when all this hit media about a "missing lottery winner" and I found out, mind you, through OTHERS, and NOT by anyone in the company. But when I found out, I started asking alot of questions and doing my own internet research/news watching/etc. I was told alot of stories alot of defenses in regards to DDM and I was even offended at times that I could even think DDM could have done this! So, I backed off for awhile, told LE all that I knew, sat back watched and listened. Then when DDM was made a POI, I again got in contact and started asking questions in regards to many things, especially DDM's office and the concrete slab next door. I still got many stories and people got defensive towards me in regards to my thoughts of DDM being involved, until it all unfolded, then I was called left and right and everything was being told to me. That was when I again got in touch with LE. No, PP was not the one that told me about the oil spill, when I had that feeling in that room,she was already gone back up there. But tonight was the first time when you posted about the telling of DDM to PP that Shar covered it up with tile/etc. But from what I understand, Shar only thought it was an oil spill at the time he tiled that room. And yes according to what I heard tonight, it has been told to LE. Sorry to take up so much space everyone!

 

[guitarman_fl]

Remember, I did not know any of these people until the end of Summer last year. I don't know if you read any of my prior posts. But when I walked into 5732 for the first time, by purely coincidence I was put into DDM office. There were areas/things that brought my attention closely to. I even went home that day and told my family what all I had experienced, and again, as I have told others....I am NOT crazy and do NOT suffer from any mental illnesses. I just get feelings about things , don't why until later dates/times and sometimes never know why I get these feelings. Anyways, not to get off track. That first time I met PP, I was told that DDM was a licensed Psychologist. I found that odd, that "IF" DDM was a Licensed Psychologist, working all those years for that degree, why did she not WORK as ONE? Anyways, I got to know DebM (prior staffing person) rather well. By November we talked on a daily basis almost. Then when all this hit media about a "missing lottery winner" and I found out, mind you, through OTHERS, and NOT by anyone in the company. But when I found out, I started asking alot of questions and doing my own internet research/news watching/etc. I was told alot of stories alot of defenses in regards to DDM and I was even offended at times that I could even think DDM could have done this! So, I backed off for awhile, told LE all that I knew, sat back watched and listened. Then when DDM was made a POI, I again got in contact and started asking questions in regards to many things, especially DDM's office and the concrete slab next door. I still got many stories and people got defensive towards me in regards to my thoughts of DDM being involved, until it all unfolded, then I was called left and right and everything was being told to me. That was when I again got in touch with LE. No, PP was not the one that told me about the oil spill, when I had that feeling in that room,she was already gone back up there. But tonight was the first time when you posted about the telling of DDM to PP that Shar covered it up with tile/etc. But from what I understand, Shar only thought it was an oil spill at the time he tiled that room. And yes according to what I heard tonight, it has been told to LE. Sorry to take up so much space everyone!

well pp told me she and shar had conversations with le about the oil on the tile, but he sure must have been a do boy, because if my woman told me to replace the tile because oil was spilled on it, i 'd have her baker acted.lol
that's why God made dawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Finally_]

In addition to all of Dee Dee's financial ventures, was she still into selling cell phones, Mary Kay Products, and what were all the silk flowers for that were in her garage at the RedHawk Bend house?

I don't know any of these answers, from what I was told from the time AS came into the picture, no one knew what DDM was doing. I was told even Shar never knew where DDM was, who she was with etc. most of the time. I was even told that Shar told DDM to just stay away from those people, (meaning AS and his friends).

 

[Finally_]

well pp told me she and shar had conversations with le about the oil on the tile, but he sure must have been a do boy, because if my woman told me to replace the tile because oil was spilled on it, i 'd have her baker acted.lol
that's why God made dawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I'm talking about in all of this. The stories, first I heard it was a concrete floor, made sense about oil spill because this particular room was built in the garage. Might have been lawn equipment in it at one time or another, who knows, but first it was concrete, then I was told it was tiled then retiled, then I was told it was only regrouted. In other workds the tiles taken up and the grout being stained, so DDM had Shar regrout. Which I guess that makes some sense too. You could clean up "oil" off of tile, but NOT out of the grouting!

 

[Finally_]

ACR, in all of your research, have you found it anywhere that JH made mention of seeing AS on April 7th or anytime there after? Do you find this as odd as I or am I just over-analyzing?

 

[ACandyRose]

That's what I'm talking about in all of this. The stories, first I heard it was a concrete floor, made sense about oil spill because this particular room was built in the garage. Might have been lawn equipment in it at one time or another, who knows, but first it was concrete, then I was told it was tiled then retiled, then I was told it was only regrouted. In other workds the tiles taken up and the grout being stained, so DDM had Shar regrout. Which I guess that makes some sense too. You could clean up "oil" off of tile, but NOT out of the grouting!

Forgive me asking if you answered this before, but was that same room where you heard the rug went suddenly missing, the room where the tile was retiled?

 

[Finally_]

Forgive me asking if you answered this before, but was that same room where you heard the rug went suddenly missing, the room where the tile was retiled?

I was not the one that said a rug went suddenly missing. guitarman_fl mentioned that PP had told him of a missing rug. So, I am not sure of what room that missing rug was from, but I am pretty sure that it was only either a throw rug or runner that they were referring to. And I can pretty much assure you that where ever a throw rug was missing was not IMO where AS was killed. According to the CRA, DDM pointed to the house located to the west of 5802 (in which was 5732) and told the informant that AS was killed in her office. The office would NOT have had a throw rug/runner. Most people do not put throws/runners on top of wall to wall carpet.
Also, from what I saw on the news when they were bringing out some of the evidence from the hole, I thought I remembered only seeing like a small type of oriental type rug, but I could be wrong and that could have only been a small piece ripped from a larger sized rug.

 

[ACandyRose]

ACR, in all of your research, have you found it anywhere that JH made mention of seeing AS on April 7th or anytime there after? Do you find this as odd as I or am I just over-analyzing?

No, I have found no references to date that anybody, including Haggins had seen or talked with Abraham on the 7th except the reference that Dee Dee Moore called Haggins the early morning of the 7th claiming Abraham was in some altercation with an underage prostitute.

I don't think you're over-analyzing at all. On Haggins, since she was suppose to be such a close friend of Abrahams, and being told he went to the hospital after this so called altercation, one would think she would head for the hospital herself to check on him or even the next day. And then they never see him again? Didn't anybody wonder how he was after the so called hospital trip? Yes I find things I've read that Haggins has done very odd.

ACR

 

[Chili Fries]

I guess what I would wonder is whether blood would be noticeable during the regrouting process. I moved into a new house last summer and there was a little blood spot on a wall left by the previous owners, I have no idea from what. I instantly noticed it was dried blood. Maybe Dee Dee cleaned up real well and was just worried about luminol but if there were blood in the grout I'd think you could tell when you were removing it.

 

[Finally_]

IMO, JH had to have KNOWN something. Why wouldn't she have questioned DDM as to his wherabouts? Why wouldn't she have gone to family/friends/LE. The only reasoning I could even begin to put behind this is, that maybe DDM really told JH that that was it on that night, and that AS had been taken to an airport/train station/boarding dock or something of the sort and that from that point on he was going on with his "so-called" "plan" of disappearing, and JH just bought the story. But then again, when questioned by LE, IMO, why didn't JH tell LE that that was what DDM's explaination was? IMO, JH KNOWS something, and for her to be listed as a witness, it's alot more than just financial matters/etc. But this is JMO!

 

[ACandyRose]

IMO, JH had to have KNOWN something. Why wouldn't she have questioned DDM as to his wherabouts? Why wouldn't she have gone to family/friends/LE. The only reasoning I could even begin to put behind this is, that maybe DDM really told JH that that was it on that night, and that AS had been taken to an airport/train station/boarding dock or something of the sort and that from that point on he was going on with his "so-called" "plan" of disappearing, and JH just bought the story. But then again, when questioned by LE, IMO, why didn't JH tell LE that that was what DDM's explaination was? IMO, JH KNOWS something, and for her to be listed as a witness, it's alot more than just financial matters/etc. But this is JMO!

On the same token, when Haggins told Dee Dee that Abraham was concerned about Dee Dee and HIS money, then red flags should have come up in Haggin's mind when Dee Dee told her not to let Abraham go to the bank because not all his money was there. For being Abraham's POA, she wasn't, in my opinion, being responsible for his welfare at all. It was more like she was just another one of Dee Dee's puppets.

 

[Finally_]

On the same token, when Haggins told Dee Dee that Abraham was concerned about Dee Dee and HIS money, then red flags should have come up in Haggin's mind when Dee Dee told her not to let Abraham go to the bank because not all his money was there. For being Abraham's POA, she wasn't, in my opinion, being responsible for his welfare at all. It was more like she was just another one of Dee Dee's puppets.

Yes, this is very true, that's why in my earlier post about the whole JH situation, I asked if anyone was seeing my point? I think IMO, we already know she was being paid to be a driver and personal assistant, we already know she got her piece of the pie in regards to approximately $20,000.00 in Feb 2009 according to the CRA. Maybe in time, IMO greed got JH too, and she was actually involved. JMO!

 

[Finally_]

Oh wow, I just had a recollection of thought. In regards to the boat, did anyone on here have access to her facebook way back when this first started to hit media? I did, and I do remember her being out on a boat. IMO, I bet the boat was hers and she just put it into son's name, remembr my post way back about due to the IRS, DDM learned to put things into other people's names so that the IRS couldn't take them. Not of importance, but since we were referring to the boat in earlier posts, I just thought I'd bring it up since I'm just now rmembering that facebook and all the pics.

 

[ACandyRose]

Yes, this is very true, that's why in my earlier post about the whole JH situation, I asked if anyone was seeing my point? I think IMO, we already know she was being paid to be a driver and personal assistant, we already know she got her piece of the pie in regards to approximately $20,000.00 in Feb 2009 according to the CRA. Maybe in time, IMO greed got JH too, and she was actually involved. JMO!

Several of the players in this story have stated Abraham signed that POA. Stitzel claimed he prepared it, Ambrose Austin claimed she notarized it, Judith Haggins claimed she signed it, along with Abraham, YET, there is NO POA that any of us can find that was file in either Polk or Hillsborough County. So where is it? Why would none of these people file that POA?

Yes, it seems that many of the puppets appeared to have reaped the harvest, perhaps enough to turn a blind eye, or possibly eventually joined in the greed. Even though Shar may have reportedly given up an architectural career, he still benefited greatly during his puppet days with Dee Dee.

There's one thing Dee Dee is/was good at and that was conning people. She learned what their "needful things" were and she made sure she provided them with what they needed, no matter how small. Abraham just wanted the simple life but still wanted the toys. He didn't want, nor was capable of keeping track of investments and Dee Dee knew that was a burden for him, so, in my opinion, she sold him on giving him what he wanted, what he needed, to keep his simple life, playing with his toys, no pressure to invest his money, and she probably sold him into thinking that if he turned all his properties to her that would get the leaches off his back.

Notice I did not say SOLD his properties to her, but just turned them over. I wouldn't be surprised if that is all he thought he was doing, just putting them in her company name so people would get off his back to borrow money. She as much as said that herself. That's why I think there was no money exchanged for the sale of the big house or other properties, because, I think, initially in his mind, he didn't think he was selling anything.

THAT, in opinion, was part of her financial advisory con game, "Put the properties, and accounts in my name, make everybody think you sold everything and that will get all the leaches off your back, sign a POA just in case we need it and go take yourself a nice long vacation from life." That was probably around the time she made that video tape. Notice in the video tape he's working the security cameras. *IF* Abraham truly sold his house to Dee Dee in January 2009 then why would he be playing with the security cameras in HER house?

I think he started to get suspicious around the time his Uncle Fred died in March 2009 and he went to the funeral where his friends and family had a chance to talk with him. That's also the month that he told Haggins he was concerned about Dee Dee and his money. Unfortunately after Haggins alerted Dee Dee of Abraham's suspicions, that was the turning point because Dee Dee then knew he was on to her con.

The rest was history and six feet under.

ACR