FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #16

[LeLe1953]

It does not matter if it is rich arms or poor arms that hold a child with love. It doesn't matter if it is a rich man or a poor man who sings his child to sleep.
Like flowers need sunshine & water to grow, children need love.

I live in very very nice home, live a very comfortable life. We are blessed, we are educated & have never gone to bed hungry or had our lights cut off.
We have friends who are country club members ( we are not ) and friends who live in single wides. Friends who are white, black, mong, indian, asian.
Different back grounds, different religions, different education levels. RIch doesnt equal good nor does poor equal bad. I know docs who use drugs, my best friend who lives in a double wide would never touch the stuff.

I am not bothered by the economic status of the family, I understand the life style. I am only bothered by what I view as some poor choices to have around children. If we aspire to have our children to do better than we have, let's set them on the right path. You don't have to have money to do that. :blowkiss:

 

[WillenFan21]

I havn't posted today yet b/c I have been busy but I did read earlier about the trace of scent that led the dog to the railroad tracks. A scenerio that has ran through my mind since I found out that the front door was open and now its been running through mind since the scent pick up was that what if Haleigh slept walkz? Maybe she slept walk out the front door(Or even the backdoor) and walked to the railroad tracks and then was abducted OR went to the railroad tracks, turned back around, and then walked to the pond and fell in?

 

[shadow of my mind]

Ronald's record suggests that it's likely he served as an informant for LE-- His biggest drug charge in 2002 was ordered Nolle Prosequi -- "do not prosecute or pursue" and then he seems to reoffend and violate probation several times, only to experience very light sanctions and "deferred prosecution" dispositions. IMO his case outcomes and repeated reoffenses during probation periods would normally have resulted in incarceration or a more substantial penalty.

Initially, the media links area only showed his record through 2002-- but it's more extensive.
You can see it here: http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Search under "Name" with the term cummings%

There's also a dropped restraining order or domestic violence related item in the civil docket. (dropped because the alleged victim (Haleigh's mother) chose not to pursue the matter.

I think the possible informant angle could be important because he likely has a lot of enemies.
I think the custody situation could also provide motive-- it seems like Haleigh's mother lost custody because she didn't appear for a hearing or challenge Ronald, IMO not necessarily because he was the most fit parent for the best interests of the child.

Bolded by me.

I agree. I also think that may be why he was so adamant that his child was stolen. He may have believed that this was payback. Whether this is the case or not it may have been the first thing that came across his mind and was the reasoning being his anger with Misty. He was adamant about locking that back door and I found it odd to dwell on it. Looking at it this light he could be aware that some of the people he ratted on may have been released from jail and could come looking for him may be the reason he was so sure that he always locks the back door.

 

[doogiesgirl]

The smoking bothered me too. Anyone who smokes in the house when children are present should be charged with abuse.

Thats a bit extreme but just MO.

 

[nancy botwin]

Bolded by me.

I agree. I also think that may be why he was so adamant that his child was stolen. He may have believed that this was payback. Whether this is the case or not it may have been the first thing that came across his mind and was the reasoning being his anger with Misty. He was adamant about locking that back door and I found it odd to dwell on it. Looking at it this light he could be aware that some of the people he ratted on may have been released from jail and could come looking for him may be the reason he was so sure that he always locks the back door.

I agree-- and finding out more about Ronald's past makes me consider Misty's behavior and statements in a different light. Initially I found her VERY suspicious-- nonresponsive, deferring to Ronald's responses, changing stories etc. But records do indicate that Ronald has a history of violence and an alleged history of violence against women. Misty could have behaved strangely, passively and just inappropriately because she always defers to Ronald and would never do anything without asking him first. Also, both Ronald and Misty could be weary of the potential payback motive-- afraid of having Ronald's history dredged up publicly or of further retribution from others, etc.

His record could just be an unfortunate coincidence, of course, but it might paint everything in a slightly different light IMO.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

It does not matter if it is rich arms or poor arms that hold a child with love. It doesn't matter if it is a rich man or a poor man who sings his child to sleep.
Like flowers need sunshine & water to grow, children need love.

I live in very very nice home, live a very comfortable life. We are blessed, we are educated & have never gone to bed hungry or had our lights cut off.
We have friends who are country club members ( we are not ) and friends who live in single wides. Friends who are white, black, mong, indian, asian.
Different back grounds, different religions, different education levels. RIch doesnt equal good nor does poor equal bad. I know docs who use drugs, my best friend who lives in a double wide would never touch the stuff.

I am not bothered by the economic status of the family, I understand the life style. I am only bothered by what I view as some poor choices to have around children. If we aspire to have our children to do better than we have, let's set them on the right path. You don't have to have money to do that. :blowkiss:

:blowkiss: Great post. Thank-you for saying what I have been wanting to say but did not know how to word.

 

[Jolynna]

There was nothing for the bio dad to gain by Haleigh going "missing".

Financially, Haleigh was an asset to the bio dad.

Just the opposite for the bio mom.

Haleigh wasn't keeping the bio dad from a lifestyle or a woman. While I can see the father losing his temper, I don't think it would have been a planned-in-advance act. I can see the girlfriend standing by her man. We don't know enough about the girlfriend to know where she could be coming from. (there are some loony young minds out there) There is some financial motive for bio-mom, but she couldn't know in advance that there would be an unlocked door and opportunity.

IMO

 

[CeeKer]

I might be late to the party, but I want to chime in about the charge of leaving the scene of an accident.

I have an ex boyfriend that was charged with the same thing. He left the scene to take his buddy, who was driving the other vehicle, to the hospital. They were out in the middle of no where. A second buddy, that was in the same vehicle as my ex, was also charged for leaving the scene because he walked the couple miles to the closest house to call in the accident.

Sometimes things are not always so cut and dry.

Now that you mention it, years ago (before cell phones) my step daugher spun out on an icy not-so-well traveled road and wrapped her car around a tree. Her friend was behind her, saw the accident, and drove her home so she could get "help" being young and scared and not knowing what to do. We called the police from our house and the policeman came and she was ticketed for leaving the scene of an accident. At the time I just couldn't believe it!

Edited to Add: It was a one car accident.

 

[panthera]

I don't think the mobile home or the way the father looks has anything to do with it either. I think that the fact they lived by so many SO's with the actions of all the parent authorities involved left this child vulnerable.

ETA: my life experiances with diffrent couples in my life raises the hair on the back of my neck when I heard the dad say the g/f was a dumb biotch, in my experiance there is alot of dysfunction in realationships like this. Again, I don't think he directly had anything to do with his daughter's disappearance.

I don't think it's the best relationship either but there are a lot of people (especially in their age group) who just use that language all the time without it meaning anything to them. And angry or not I never would've used the "f word" when talking to the 911 operator. MOO

 

[indicat]

Thats a bit extreme but just MO.

ITA, we still need to keep our freedoms, I'm not a smoker and I don't like it but in the scheme of things do we really want to go that far in taking away rights? Ok, prolly said more then I should have.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I'm sick of the "bad parent" "good parent" debate.

All I'm going to say is; if being poor means you're a bad parent please take the children from 75% of the country right now. Many have it much worse than this and seem to grow up to be valuable members of society.

This is about a missing 5 yr old girl. Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She needs to be found. End of story.

As TM says "She may be lost but she is NOT alone"


:blowkiss:

 

[LeLe1953]

:blowkiss: Great post. Thank-you for saying what I have been wanting to say but did not know how to word.

Thanks. Every now and again the word s come to me, not often, but sometimes. :blowkiss:

 

[Jubilee]

Ronald's record suggests that it's likely he served as an informant for LE--
His biggest drug charge in 2002 was ordered Nolle Prosequi -- "do not prosecute or pursue" and then he seems to reoffend and violate probation several times, only to experience very light sanctions and "deferred prosecution" dispositions. IMO his case outcomes and repeated reoffenses during probation periods would normally have resulted in incarceration or a more substantial penalty.

Initially, the media links area only showed his record through 2002-- but it's more extensive.
You can see it here: http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Search under "Name" with the term cummings%

There's also a dropped restraining order or domestic violence related item in the civil docket. (dropped because the alleged victim (Haleigh's mother) chose not to pursue the matter.

I think the possible informant angle could be important because he likely has a lot of enemies.

I think the custody situation could also provide motive-- it seems like Haleigh's mother lost custody because she didn't appear for a hearing or challenge Ronald, IMO not necessarily because he was the most fit parent for the best interests of the child.

Actually, I think this is brilliant. Never would have occurred to me.

 

[panthera]

There was nothing for the bio dad to gain by Haleigh going "missing".

Financially, Haleigh was an asset to the bio dad.

Just the opposite for the bio mom.

Haleigh wasn't keeping the bio dad from a lifestyle or a woman. While I can see the father losing his temper, there isn't any motive for him.

IMO

You're absolutely right, imo. Besides, he was at work, while the g/f was home with the children when Haleigh went missing.

 

[yosande]

I know 13 year olds that can give birth. This obviously does not mean they aren’t children. Misty is 17 and thus, a child, not an adult.

I'm curious. What exactly happens between now and her next birthday that makes her that much more mature and responsible?[/quote]

Misty just turned 17. She doesn't appear to be a mature 17 year old, imo. Her birthday was in December. She has been with this guy for 5 months. He is 25 years old.
His birthday is in Oct.
So, a 25 year old guy, with a 16 year old girl. He was breaking the law when he laid down with her the first time, and he is breaking the law now!!!
The mother of his children was 14 when she gave birth to Haleigh. He was 2 months short of being 20. He was breaking the law then also.
I'm surprised he isn't a RSO.
jmoo

 

[Adrienne37]

I'd just like to say that back when Danielle VanDam was missing, I remember there were so many of us out there that believed that the mother and/or father had done something to her because they were "pot-smokers" and had left the door open or unlocked. I was completely sure that the father had killed her and disposed of her body.

I can remember when Shasta Groene and her brother went missing, their father was spoke and written about horrifically and the same was true with Mark Lunsford. These two fathers were completely pulverized by all of us because they looked a certain way and they acted a certain way. As it turned out, neither of them were guilty and look what Mark Lunsford went on to accomplish. The point that I am trying to make is that it doesn't matter how much money you have or don't have, the parents aren't always the ones to blame. Just because the Cummings' family lives or acts differently than the majority of us do doesn't mean that he killed Haleigh. The same holds true for the bio mom and the GF as well. JMO.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

The smoking bothered me too. Anyone who smokes in the house when children are present should be charged with abuse.

While it isn't the healthiest of things to do, to smoke around children neither is filling a grocery cart to overflowing with sugarladen cereals and junk food, and frequent trips to Burger King and McDonalds. Many parents use the tv as a babysitter and on many occasions video games play as surrogate parents. IMVHO cigarette smoking is just as bad as overweight parents but I don't think it is child abuse. Cigarrette smoking is not the cause of the disappearance of this beautiful child.

 

[Gracenote]

I think that is a normal human reaction, not pretty, but normal. It is a self protect mode. It is too emotionally exhausting to look at every tragedy and think OMG that could happen to me. My whole life could unravel at any moment and it would be totally out of my control. It is much more comfortable to sit back and say they did all of the following things wrong and if they hadn't done so they wouldn't be where they are today.

That is so true! Very insightful thoughts.

 

[petresq_algc]

ITA, we still need to keep our freedoms, I'm not a smoker and I don't like it but in the scheme of things do we really want to go that far in taking away rights? Ok, prolly said more then I should have.

I agree. Considering smoking is not against the law, I find the notion VERY extreme.

 

[indicat]

Misty just turned 17. She doesn't appear to be a mature 17 year old, imo. Her birthday was in December. She has been with this guy for 5 months. He is 25 years old.
His birthday is in Oct.
So, a 25 year old guy, with a 16 year old girl. He was breaking the law when he laid down with her the first time, and he is breaking the law now!!!
The mother of his children was 14 when she gave birth to Haleigh. He was 2 months short of being 20. He was breaking the law then also.
I'm surprised he is a RSO.
jmoo

ITA
I'm pretty sure he has shown his disregard for the laws plenty...
just sayin....