FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #22

[CeeKer]

Whoa! I was under the impression Ron got custody because he had a job and Crystal didn't. If you are referring to her drug problems, he has a long arrest record for that as well as other mischief.
Ron did not bring them back after a weekend's visitation and then filed for temporary custody. Crystal didn't receive the notification of the court date because he gave the court an incorrect address, and she missed the court hearing, and he planned it that way. Little tricks like that should not have gone unnoticed by that judge!
I believe Crystal loves the kids as much as Ron does. Let's not be too quick to judge the other side. He is not a saint.... any 25-year old "man" who is living with a teenager is not perfect, and should not receive a pass. Playing house is not an ideal situation to raise two kids in!

Here are the court papers for the custody hearing. Document 2 is the initial filing bio mom made to try and get the kids back. Document 1 is the hearing and decision of the judge.
http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/st...ings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

Edited to Add: These documents are very telling about why the Bio mom lost custody.

 

[Elley Mae]

IIrc in the 911 call, Ron says that he has a gun and will use it, I am wondering now if maybe that gun was not registered, or that he was not suppose to have it. And after the 911 call, he or they decided to come up with the ,cousin took it story. Has there been any thing said or reported that the gun was taken from him after making a death threat.

 

[Busylady]

If you read the court documents Crystal admitted to drug use, she also admitted that she missed 10 drs appointments for Haleigh because she didnt have a ride or sometimes just didnt want to get out of bed. Rons drug test came back clean, we do not know if Crystals did. Ron was prepared for court compared to Crystal who was not.

Whoa! I was under the impression Ron got custody because he had a job and Crystal didn't. If you are referring to her drug problems, he has a long arrest record for that as well as other mischief.
Ron did not bring them back after a weekend's visitation and then filed for temporary custody. Crystal didn't receive the notification of the court date because he gave the court an incorrect address, and she missed the court hearing, and he planned it that way. Little tricks like that should not have gone unnoticed by that judge!
I believe Crystal loves the kids as much as Ron does. Let's not be too quick to judge the other side. He is not a saint.... any 25-year old "man" who is living with a teenager is not perfect, and should not receive a pass. Playing house is not an ideal situation to raise two kids in!

 

[supergirl]

Whoa! I was under the impression Ron got custody because he had a job and Crystal didn't. If you are referring to her drug problems, he has a long arrest record for that as well as other mischief.
Ron did not bring them back after a weekend's visitation and then filed for temporary custody. Crystal didn't receive the notification of the court date because he gave the court an incorrect address, and she missed the court hearing, and he planned it that way. Little tricks like that should not have gone unnoticed by that judge!
I believe Crystal loves the kids as much as Ron does. Let's not be too quick to judge the other side. He is not a saint.... any 25-year old "man" who is living with a teenager is not perfect, and should not receive a pass. Playing house is not an ideal situation to raise two kids in!

Yep TxLady, there is some big problems with "his side, her side and then there's the truth" all throughout the custody battle. That's why I decided not to use it to figure things out unless it can't be avioded. Just from reading the court docks, it was ugly. No angels on either side.

 

[tfrohning]

i don't think misty was neccessarily trying to point the finger at this "cousin". it probably just came up when she was being questioned by police.

i have to imagine misty had a phone. it's too big of a hole in their story if she didn't. it is another very good question and great observation to notice misty and ron having the same phone# on the police report. hopefully LE has already thought of this and have the answer, but you never know.

Misty told GR that it was her theory that the cousin has something to with the disspearce of Hayleigh. That is pointing the finger IMO
And the stole gun, well I won't go there right now.

 

[CeeKer]

IIrc in the 911 call, Ron says that he has a gun and will use it, I am wondering now if maybe that gun was not registered, or that he was not suppose to have it. And after the 911 call, he or they decided to come up with the ,cousin took it story. Has there been any thing said or reported that the gun was taken from him after making a death threat.

No it definitely seemed as if the cousin was there a different day and took the gun in the past. But with the communication skills involved here... god only knows.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Added SO Kyle Johns residence to the map per request.

Dogs went to the pond first, then the outbuilding, then followed a route north of the home (assuming the long driveway), left onto Monroe left onto and around Buchanan Circle, right onto Monroe, pass-thru redacted, right onto Buffalo Bluff and end at railroad crossing (yellow route).

The red route is an alternative route from Monroe to Buffalo Bluff.

JWG: I think KJ's home is at the turn of Monroe:

http://i422.photobucket.com

 

[txsvicki]

Misty told GR that it was her theory that the cousin has something to with the disspearce of Hayleigh. That is pointing the finger IMO
And the stole gun, well I won't go there right now.

Why on earth woudl Misty be telling Geraldo this on national tv! Seems like that would be something that LE would be in the middle of investigating and trying to track down this cousin.

 

[tfrohning]

assuming misty is smart enough to not tell blatant lies that can easily be discredited.......

i think that there is an old bf who is still in prison for something he did to her when she was 13. i think she was visited two weeks ago by a cousin from tenn that they think stole one of ron's guns. this guy probably molested misty when she was younger too, but i'm not sure if he was ever charged or is a RSO. i would guess that she had told LE about him previously and they just haven't said anything about it. which isn't surprising because they have hardly said anything.

If she did tell LE about it and they beliver her.
Wouldn't his picture be all over the place and update on the Amber Alert?

 

[supergirl]

oka, the way i see it is that yesterday we were on a good search and wanted someone to throw us a bone to help us know what direction to go in. i am going to take what we have been given and see what i can find. still think the timing around events in Jan is too strange too. off i go to sleuth a bit. thanks you all for helping me get the thought process moving again! bbl

 

[TxLady2]

But we don't know that he is violent and angry, just that he was angry and willing to resort to violence at the time his child went missing. As a lot of men, including my extremely gentle loving fiance would be in the situation he was in.
Everything else is hearsay most of it said during a custody battle. I don't believe most things i hear during a custody battle. I've been through one. I cried for a week straight after hearing the things my ex alleged in court.

I disagree, the words he used during that 911 call shows he is very quick to anger, and not just because of his child. He was still threatening to kill the guy when the cops showed up. I know his emotions were running high, but most guys don't throw F-bombs out every few words or threaten to kill someone, over and over. I have two sons who would shoot someone in a heartbeat if they did serious harm intentionally to their kids... but not unless they KNEW who it was, and they wouldn't be screaming and yelling at the dispatcher or the cops, they would try to be rational enough to work with them, not screaming the f-word in every sentence. Getting angry is one thing, blaming everyone around you is another. He yelled at Misty, at the dispatcher, at the cops. That goes beyond just being an emotionally distraught father. My personal belief is that Misty is scared to death of him, and she may have good reason. I believe that when the truth comes out, we are going to find out that he was abusive to Crystal as well.

 

[catch_22]

If she did tell LE about it and they beliver her.
Wouldn't his picture be all over the place and update on the Amber Alert?

possibly. maybe they don't believe her or consider this guy a suspect for some reason.

you would think ron and her family would be able to confirm this. i guess they could lie about it too, though.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

If it was me, I could NOT leave that area! That would have been the last place his daughter was seen, If it was my daughter, I too would camp out there, not leaving. Just in case she came back. That would be the thoughts in my head anyways

Yes, you are prolly right. I'm just thinking about the tent, shacking up with the 17 year old babysitter/girlfriend that is on everyones radar anyway, LE and the FBI that has you under a microscope no doubt, I just didn't think a tent was the obvious choice when there was a family member a block away. Stanger things have happened in this world and if someone just dropped this precious child off and she walked up to her front door, I'm sure her Dad would want to be there. After being on WS for a while and knowing the statistics my mind goes to the inevitable and I'm sorry for that.

 

[passionflower]

On the police report - both Misty and dad have the same number listed.

I checked that number and it is a cell phone.
I checked some white pages sites and can't find a landline for the house.

Now, dad claims Misty was "calling" him just as he drove up. So, I assume she had a phone. But, during the 911 call he is heard saying to Misty - give me MY phone?

Why would she have used HIS phone to call 911 if she already had one in her hand from trying to call him? And if she had one - why isn't it listed on the police report for her name?

I don't recall seeing her in the past days with a phone in hand. He does - his was ringing during one of the first interviews and he ignored it.

Soooooooooooooooooooo, if there is only ONE phone - how did Misty call him if he had the cell to recieve that call?

Bolded by me.........IF your child was missing would you ignor a phone call? reminds me of scott p.
I would take all calls just in case! and say sorry call you back.........atleast look who is calling.
I know interviews are important but so is (kidnapper, maybe Haleigh? ......my gkids know important numbers .....or someone who knows a clue?) JMOO

 

[Lexington]

I disagree, the words he used during that 911 call shows he is very quick to anger, and not just because of his child. He was still threatening to kill the guy when the cops showed up. I know his emotions were running high, but most guys don't throw F-bombs out every few words or threaten to kill someone, over and over. I have two sons who would shoot someone in a heartbeat if they did serious harm intentionally to their kids... but not unless they KNEW who it was, and they wouldn't be screaming and yelling at the dispatcher or the cops, they would try to be rational enough to work with them, not screaming the f-word in every sentence. Getting angry is one thing, blaming everyone around you is another. He yelled at Misty, at the dispatcher, at the cops. That goes beyond just being an emotionally distraught father. My personal belief is that Misty is scared to death of him, and she may have good reason. I believe that when the truth comes out, we are going to find out that he was abusive to Crystal as well.

I agree with this 100%. I also believe that Misty is scared to death of him and that is why she is covering for him. I don't believe LE has to look much further than the inhabitants of that house for their POIs and all the answers.

 

[tfrohning]

possibly. maybe they don't believe her or consider this guy a suspect for some reason.

you would think ron and her family would be able to confirm this. i guess they could lie about it too, though.

I would love to see some of the tips?

 

[yolorado]

It's not been discussed at length, a mention here and there, by me one time.

I'm wondering though, because Ron was Misty's meal ticket, shelter and means of a better lifesstyle that what she had been living for a while. He got the nice mobile home for them. Worked 12 hour shifts, crane operators make up to $35.oo dollars an hour plus per diem on some jobs. His age and experience though, I'm leaaning to him being on the learning scale of a crane operator and probably making around $25.00 an hour plus over time and a half which means he was brining him around $1,500 weekly, not bad pay, especially from Crystals stand point.

Since I am a fence sitter, thinking Misty is involved and number 1 POI, a pregnancy, the bed wetting, and her wanting her child to have it all makes sense to me. Just pure speculation on my part. No facts to substantiate.

Me, I see it a little bit differently. I'm not feeling either one of them as involved in Haleigh's disappearance. It seems like a "stranger" abduction to me, although it appears like this 'stranger' might have been an acquaintance, or someone familiar with the surroundings and habits. My prayer is that little Haleigh is still alive and can be recoved.

However, it doesn't seem like Ron is Misti's victim as much as the other way around. IMO, this situation presents a 25 year old man abusing a barely 17 year old child. In my state, this relationship would put Ron himself on the SO list, and justifiably so. Men from the FLDS have been derided and rightfully arrested in TX for taking child brides. This FL Ron didn't even have the decency to marry his live in, let alone allow her to grow up first. What decent father raising two kids under 6 would shack up with a 16 year old GIRL, apparently using her for childcare, housekeeping and sex. This young woman should have been going to high school and becoming her own person, not in some 20-something's bed, under his thumb, raising his kids. God help them all--little Haleigh, Jr. and anybody else on the way.

 

[Littleone48]

I have read all of these threads but I must have missed the the link to where Misty was on drugs. Could someone please point me in that direction please?

I am sure that with Ron's job he has to be tested for drug use often. I find it hard to believe that he would allow drugs around him, his home or his children.

As for Misty being "stoopid" she is a 17 year old girl who has had the most horrible thing happen to her. I am not sure how I would act if this were happening to me. If fact, I really haven't met anyone who is "stoopid" in my lifetime, just people who make bad decisions. It appears that Misty has had a rough life for someone so young.

The changing stories from Misty really don't bother me. If any of you have ever been in a "dramatic" situation you would understand where I am coming from. The first report is never like the second or the third simply because you are so upset that literally you cannot think straight. If you have ever been in a convenience store you may see tape by the door with markings of 4', 5', 6' etc. The first thing you train a clerk to do is to look at that as they are leaving the store because 7 out of 10 times the first description they give is wrong. It's not that they are lying it's just that it is so dramatic for them and things get a little scrambled. Details are remembered as you calm down...

I really think that it's one of the many SO that live in the area. It's really not that hard to determine habits of people. It appears that they live in a secluded area.

I guess what I am saying is that Misty is only 17 years old and if she is a "stoopid" as some think I would hate to think she is reading all of the stuff about her.

All of this is just MOO

 

[txsvicki]

If Misty had just told Ron about her cousin visiting, and he knew that he was a possible SO, that could account for the anger. I just wonder if Ron was getting a gun out to go hunt down this cousin and noticed at that time that one was missing.

 

[TxLady2]

If you read the court documents Crystal admitted to drug use, she also admitted that she missed 10 drs appointments for Haleigh because she didnt have a ride or sometimes just didnt want to get out of bed. Rons drug test came back clean, we do not know if Crystals did. Ron was prepared for court compared to Crystal who was not.

He was "prepared" for court because he was the one who filed!! And he did it in a sneaky sort of way. I don't know too many people their age that hasn't messed with drugs at one time or another. Her not having transportation is a big factor at that time, IMO. Maybe out of those 12 times she missed a doctor's appt., she felt like sleeping in two or three times. Is that so terrible? It's true that at that time, he might have been the better choice of a parent. However, he was not shacking up with a teenager then, either. He obviously doesn't have the kids' best interests in mind NOW to leave a barely 17-y.o. who is obviously not mature enough to voice a coherent sentence and doesn't know the meaning of simple words. She is playing house, being mom, chief cook and bottle washer, and oh, yeah.... playmate! What is he thinking??!!!
I am not saying Misty is to blame here. She's young and seems to have the mentality of a 12-yr old. But I'm not going to throw stones at Crystal, she made her mistakes, and now she is probably paying for them. She does love her kids, I believe.