Identified! FL - Big Cypress Natl Preserve, Male Hiker, Denim & “Mostly Harmless” July 2018 - Vance Rodriguez #2

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  • #1,061
I recall hearing in the CCSO podcast that he was sitting up in his tent and his eyes were open when he was found. I assumed that is why the sketch was drawn the way it was-- to me it has always seemed like he has an expression of pain or surprise on his face. I still don't believe that he chose to starve himself to death. I believe that he got in a bad situation, was too sick with some sudden illness or chronic disease to hike out of his campsite and died before anyone came by that could help. It was off season for hikers on the Florida Trail and it was very hot and humid when he was found. There are dozens of illnesses that could cause starvation. Anything from chloera to stomach cancer.

MOO.

Off Season. Good point. He knew it would be off season , he’d done a ton of research... that’s what he did. That’s all he had to go on, research. I’m assuming before he set out on his journey. .. Or did he even research? We don’t even know that.

Yet again, a lot of adventurers make bad decisions. I guess anything’s possible.
 
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<modsnip: quoted post was removed due to Steve is not reported missing>

This hiker, Obsidian...I truly feel like she may be the person who knows the most about Denim. At this stage of his life anyway. A picture is worth a thousand words and the photos of those two together speak loudly to me. I could be wrong, I’m aware of that. There’s just something about his demeanor in those photos that is more peaceful than the rest. Not necessarily a happy peaceful, just a calmness. It’s like he’s more comfortable in her presence.

He’s always happy looking, which is why I think it’s hard to imagine him being sick with something, but there are a few photos in which he doesn’t look happy. Not in the way we imagine. He just...looks. The one of him reading the registration notebook or the one of him sitting on a rock overlooking nothing (that we can see) but sky. There’s a certain vulnerability to him in those moments. The more I look at them, the more I see a “sick” man.

Someone upthread (and I’m sorry for not quoting your comment) talked about homelessness and the ability of some down-on-their-luck people to be living a transient or “vagrant” life and still having a decent amount of money, job skills, a good education, even a fair amount of family and friends - but still they are where they are and the reasons as to why are literally countless.

Maybe because I can relate to Denim, I have grown so attached to him. I certainly wish I could have known him during his life. It may not have changed what happened there in Florida, but I’d like to think we would have made a difference in one another’s life. I wish he could know just how many lives he’s touched. Some more than others. I hope that’d bring him some sort of happiness or peace. Even in death.

(JMOO, FWTW)
 
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Off Season. Good point. He knew it would be off season , he’d done a ton of research... that’s what he did. That’s all he had to go on, research. I’m assuming before he set out on his journey. .. Or did he even research? We don’t even know that.

Yet again, a lot of adventurers make bad decisions. I guess anything’s possible.

I'm not sure how much he researched in advance. He was reportedly an inexperienced hiker when he started out on the AT in 2017. He initially tried hiking in jeans, hence the trail name Denim. He didn't have all the right gear at first either but bought what he needed along the way (he didn't get his tent and winter coat until he got to GA). He also picked up maps as he went. He had a hostel owner print him the maps for Pinhoti Trail in Alabama when he was close to the end of the AT. It's possible he always planned to hike South all the way to Florida. Or it's possible he decided to keep on hiking once he reached the end of the AT-- but it was winter when he finished the AT (Dec) so turning around and going back North would not be practical. I'm just not sure. In a way he hiked "off season" for some of the AT or rather against the direction and seasons that most AT hikers choose to hike. He started his hike late for a thru hike (if he actually started hiking SOBO in NY around June). By the time he got to NC/TN/GA it was end of hiking season/winter and many hostels actually close for the winter. There are still some hikers in winter but not as many. More AT hikers start at the southern end in GA in early Spring (March/Apr/May) and hike NOBO trying to reach Maine before winter starts. Some hikers do choose to hike SOBO to avoid the crowds and make it easier to find an open shelter, campsite or hostel as they go. But I'm not certain if Denim knew that when he hiked SOBO.

MOO.
 
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If so, it wouldn’t be so localized in only one arm, on only that relatively small area of his arm. There’s something else going on. Jmo

Agreed.

I also agree with the poster who brought up Renal Dialysis.

Have we seen his left arm as clearly on other photos?

This could be our biggest clue...to date...regarding our hiker’s true identity.
However I’m absolutely sure LE will be aware of this, from the autopsy findings.

I’m also pretty sure the pathologist has been able to give a Cause of Death...it just hasn’t been released to us, the public.

Maybe during the period of time MH was missing from the trail, he was receiving treatment, and then given some devastating news, such as end-stage renal failure, OR decided he didn’t want to be tied to a dialysis machine for the rest of his life, would hike until the end.

( Having said that, I very much doubt a person would feel well enough to hike, if in renal failure)
 
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Oh right! So cause of death being starvation has not been set in concrete?? Did officials just hint at it or what?? Because IMO, I've never really felt that to be the true cause. Forgive me, but when I think of starvation, I picture the haunting images of the death camps in WWII. The victims were literally skin on bone, painfully thin, painful even to look at. MH, although very lean, never looked close to being that emaciated. He also would have displayed more troubling signs in the photos since the body is deprived, in the end, it only has its reserves to feed on. His energies would have certainly diminished and lethargy would absolutely take over. And rapidly more so during a hike. I've read that he seemed to be living in the park as opposed to actually trekking it and it does seem more likely that MH was living in his tent and making appearances on the trail as and when he picked up sticks to move on. The sad part is the time frame between the last photograph and him being found deceased. Had he spent all that time unable, for whatever reason to leave the tent thus causing him to starve? Because that is hearbreaking to know MH had the means to obtain food but just lacked the strength. How sad X
 
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To put in perspective how thin 83lbs is for an adult Male, I started reading about concentration camp victims and their weights at liberation.

An American soldier, quoted as “Colonel Edmund M.” in the book “Witness: Voices from the Holocaust,” described the condition of the inmates in the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp in Austria when his unit discovered the complex. “Some of them actually looked almost like living skeletons. I took a look at some, and I would estimate the average weight probably might have been eighty, ninety pounds.

For many Holocaust survivors, effects of wartime starvation still a plague


 

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Yes,
To put in perspective how thin 83lbs is for an adult Male, I started reading about concentration camp victims and their weights at liberation.

An American soldier, quoted as “Colonel Edmund M.” in the book “Witness: Voices from the Holocaust,” described the condition of the inmates in the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp in Austria when his unit discovered the complex. “Some of them actually looked almost like living skeletons. I took a look at some, and I would estimate the average weight probably might have been eighty, ninety pounds.

For many Holocaust survivors, effects of wartime starvation still a plague

I read the memoirs of Esther Senot, a female survivor of Auschtwitz.. She weighed 70lbs on her release. It surprised me that she survived at all. The horrors of WWII make me mad! X
 
  • #1,068
IIRC, due to Florida privacy law, we will not see the autopsy report.

Same reason -- DNA will not be submitted to look for family member matches.
How can this be?? - Authorities will not be submitting DNA in the hope of a familial match But at the same time, are looking to identify him! I'm no Einstein but how are missing men being ruled out of there is no DNA to test against? X
IIRC JMHO etc
 
  • #1,069
Has he cauliflower ears? Or some damage to them? Maybe some type of sport, mma, boxing...

and he resembles the Unknown suspect to Violet Ripkin(second composite sketch)
 
  • #1,070
So authorities will not be submitting the DNA of MH but at the same time they are looking to identify him?? How can that be??
I'm no Einstein, but how are missing men being ruled out of there is no DNA for comparison? X
 
  • #1,071
He was found with some food in the tent but showed obvious signs of malnutrition. Cause of death was undetermined but definitely natural causes, whether that meant starvation or chronic illness is uncertain. His DNA was submitted to University of North Texas in February 2019, however they have a six month lead time and homicides take priority. They submitted his fingerprints to AFIS/IAFIS which would match to criminal cases as well as civilian fingerprints, such as a gun purchase. Primarily, they are using fingerprints to rule out matches and then could compare his dental records. Source CCSO
 
  • #1,072
The couple that I’ve submitted have almost immediately been ruled out by marks or scars, or lack thereof. But dental comparisons were supposedly performed just to make the exclusion more concrete and definitive. And the marks/scars were nothing like a tattoo or a surgical scar, it came down to the “faint linear scar” on Denim’s abdomen IIRC. Their responses have always made me think there is something more specific or distinguishing they’re aware of that’s allowing them to make such quick comparisons/rule outs. They’ve been really responsive when it comes to possible MP submissions from what I can tell.
 
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The couple that I’ve submitted have almost immediately been ruled out by marks or scars, or lack thereof. But dental comparisons were supposedly performed just to make the exclusion more concrete and definitive. And the marks/scars were nothing like a tattoo or a surgical scar, it came down to the “faint linear scar” on Denim’s abdomen IIRC. Their responses have always made me think there is something more specific or distinguishing they’re aware of that’s allowing them to make such quick comparisons/rule outs. They’ve been really responsive when it comes to possible MP submissions from what I can tell.

Maybe he has had some medical procedure that lets them rule out anyone who hasn't had it? A scar on the abdomen could be from surgery like an appendectomy?
 
  • #1,074
Maybe he has had some medical procedure that lets them rule out anyone who hasn't had it? A scar on the abdomen could be from surgery like an appendectomy?
Could be. I’m not sure. His scar was initially described to be a superficial one, nothing suggestive of a surgery or procedure of any kind. But I just don’t know, something tells me they’re looking at something we aren’t that has allowed them to make such quick rule outs. I don’t know what that something could be lol, but no one that I know of has gone without a relatively timely response to a suggestion. Then again, he could have a significant identifying feature they’ve not made public. Although that’s more often the case when foul play is suspected. I will utterly be beside myself if we ever find out Denim’s death was anything other than natural/accidental or suicide. (JMO)
 
  • #1,075
A lot of people speculated about kidney
Maybe he has had some medical procedure that lets them rule out anyone who hasn't had it? A scar on the abdomen could be from surgery like an appendectomy?

Probably reaching but IIRC he mentioned he used to be significantly heavier - maybe an old healed tummy tuck scar?
Or maybe it was a colectomy scar? (A family member of mine had the procedure done about 5 years ago. They removed a part of his colon and he only has a thin 10 cm/4 inch scar left.) Colectomy is done in colon cancer patients - just speculating, but could he have been in remission or had a relapse?
Another thing is a possible kidney removal. We don't know if he had both. :(Although, I would think these scars are probably larger.

ETA Didn't know the scar was superficial! Sorry for my rambling:oops:
 
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Blood type maybe?
 
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So authorities will not be submitting the DNA of MH but at the same time they are looking to identify him?? How can that be??
I'm no Einstein, but how are missing men being ruled out of there is no DNA for comparison? X

His DNA may be in CODIS. He's on NamUs and submitting DNA through NamUs/UNT is free. Submitting DNA for genetic genealogy (GEDmatch, et al) is a whole different procedure and not free.

They also have his fingerprints and dentals which can both be used for identification.
 
  • #1,078
Although there are no photos yet, and the height doesn't match, I think this new NamUs MP case might be MH - Michael Paul Ozalas.

His nickname is listed as Mike, and I found this C# Corner profile for a Mike Ozalas - he only posted this one question as far as I could tell.

I had a gut reaction to Mike Ozalas that was strong enough that I have already emailed both the agencies involved (well, hopefully I used the right email addresses to contact them!) I am not in the US otherwise I actually might've called them.
 
  • #1,079
Seeing the Holocaust images is eye-opening to Denim’s weight at death. I had developed a mental picture, but seeing those photos is a bit of different story.

Not even in chasing the Steve theory, Denim went through some pretty drastic changes, both physical and otherwise, from (based on what we know for sure) June/July 2017 to July 2018. So, for my intent and purpose, I’ll say one year.

(Based on witness accounts) In that one year, he went from being a seemingly healthy-looking man with somewhat of an overall purpose for being on the trails to an 83-pound, (still very much) unidentified decedent found alone in a tent in rural/remote Florida. Whom, as we know, was not lacking the resources a typical person would require to survive under normal circumstances.

This potentially proves one or more of a few things;

a) circumstances were not at all typical, although we don’t know how or why

b) Denim wasn’t as healthy as he appears to have been earlier on in the hike - maybe he was aware of his condition or ailment, and June/July 2017 was the beginning of the end, and he knew it

c) Denim was healthy in the beginning but, unbeknownst to him or anyone around him, was stricken with something life-threatening that either went untreated or progressed so rapidly that it left little to no time to recognize much less diagnose and treat.

So a person to whom any of those things, individually or in conjuncture, could apply and who’d walked many a’ miles in Denim’s shoes, could have and likely would have gone through just as many physical changes as they would internal changes. Rapid weight loss, hair loss, fatigue...to name a few.

These changes are all dependent upon what exactly caused his death or whether the changes could be the effects of something other than age and exposure to the environmental elements he may or may not have been accustomed to or not. I don’t know what, if anything, would cause someone’s hair to gray at a faster rate than the average person.

My point is that this case is unlike many we’ve seen in that so much seems to be known about this man, yet he’s no closer to being identified than he was 18 months ago. Something happened to him, which led him to be discovered dead with no indication of how or why. When this something happened has proved to be most elusive of all.

I don’t believe it’s as far out of the realm of possibility as some seem to think, that someone like Steve who went from wearing his hair in dreadlocks, homeless or otherwise living on the streets of Colorado, possibly having a girlfriend and other acquaintances could, in fact, find themselves hiking the Appalachian Trail, meeting and befriending many other hikers and albeit not ideally, acclimating to the environment - but mysteriously die alone with merely a $300 two-person tent, some gaming code, a neon shirt, hiking poles, a decent amount of cash and dozens of photos of him living - and still, no one to claim him thus far.

Again, this is a unique case. We have so many details that are generally not known to us but lack the ones that are usually at our fingertips. In this instance, we have both a missing person and an unidentified person all wrapped up into one. I doubt that makes any sense, but remember, the chance remains that the person we’ve been seeing and analyzing in all these photos - referred to as "Denim" or "Mostly Harmless" or "Ben Bilemy" - is not even the man found dead in the tent that day! Albeit unlikely, it’s something that frequently crosses my mind. (The button-up shirt still bewilders me too...ugh!)

JMOO FWTW
 
  • #1,080
Fingerprint, DNA, and dental comparison is the most obvious and likely explanation for the quick rule outs. I’ve only ever emailed them, but if I were to call them instead, I think they’d still be able to tell me “yes” or “no” during the same conversation. As in, within a few minutes. Is that enough time for them to compare those things? Instead, is that enough time for them to check for records to even look at and compare? I’m honestly curious. I know if they had both the missing person and UID’s fingerprint cards in front of them, they could check those relatively quickly and with not much effort. I just don’t know how accessible the identifiers are to them. I don’t know anything about the process, actually. I’m curious now, though.

I guess it just seems as though they may even have a particular person in mind as being Denim, but due to the nature of his death, they are waiting for someone to recognize him and come forward. I know in the beginning CCSO released a statement on their Facebook page, and the general message was they were grateful for all the tips that were coming in but they were looking more for someone who personally knew this person in life rather than the public’s suggestions of missing people already in most of the databases. I guess that makes it more likely they are comparing prints/dental records/DNA.
 
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