GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #6

[Abigail]

I wonder which verdict her family is hoping for -- her sister, brother, mother?

Has anyone noted her looking at them, smiling at them, during this trial? I've been mostly listening, not looking.

 

[Nymeria]

This is awful. I don't know if there is enough Coke in the world to keep me alert to the closing...

I think to pay attention to this Def. Attn. you needs ALL forms of "coke" to keep alert (and you know what I mean ).


ETA- Like Scarface quantities.... :giggle:

 

[zoey]

ABCActionNewsCourt ‏@actionnewscourt · 38s
Defense: #JulieSchenecker has had illusions of her comforter changing into angels.

 

[popsicle]

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 11s
#JulieSchenecker “she works against herself when trying to get better"

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 42s
#JulieSchenecker “We’ve talked about severe pain that she has when in a deep depression, what she calls Brain Pain"

 

[zoey]

I wonder which verdict her family is hoping for -- her sister, brother, mother?

Has anyone noted her looking at them, smiling at them, during this trial? I've been mostly listening, not looking.

camera centered on them today---brother looks devastated-dad looks sad -- can never really see mom

 

[Jewels53]

What a minute. I thought when the defense went with an affirmative defense (Insanity) it was on them to prove she was insane.

How else would they do that if they didn't produce doctors?

I don't know about anyone else but this defense attorney is so boring to listen to. I am already getting sleepy and zoning out. LOL!

IMO

I am getting dizzy and confused listening to her! :spinner:

 

[zoey]

8:37 AM

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Defense: She didn't choose this illness, this illness chose her. #ScheneckerTrial

 

[zoey]

Tampa Bay Times Live ‏@TBTimesLive · 26s
Defense atty is listing the 11 times the Schenecker family moved. She's got the moves memorized. #ScheneckerTrial

 

[popsicle]

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 34s
#JulieSchenecker “She didn’t chose this illness. This illness chose her."

 

[Abigail]

No kidding??? That explains the lack of conviction I guess. I am doing Sudoku while listening to the closing and slugging coke zero.

I'm still downing my (5th) cup of coffee -- will have to switch over soon. I so wish they'd used the other attorney -- he's so much more articulate. Plus, all these details she's including aren't really pertinent. That's pretty much been the way she's handled things through most of the trial.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

We must be.

I always have a fresh tall mug of iced Coke and even when I leave home I take my Coke with me.

We bad ain't we?:floorlaugh:

I keep telling myself it COULD be worse but I love the stuff. Absolutely one of my fav things!

 

[zoey]

Tampa Bay Times Live ‏@TBTimesLive · 1m
"Travel is a constant in their family" Spradley says. Throughout it all, Julie cared for the children, often on her own #ScheneckerTrial

 

[Rhozwen]

What a minute. I thought when the defense went with an affirmative defense (Insanity) it was on them to prove she was insane.

How else would they do that if they didn't produce doctors?

I don't know about anyone else but this defense attorney is so boring to listen to. I am already getting sleepy and zoning out. LOL!

IMO

Under the M'Naghten Rule (which Florida uses to determine insanity), the burden lies on Prosecution to disprove that the defendant:

"1. Did not know what he or she was doing or its consequences, or

2. Although he or she knew what he or she was doing and its
consequences, did not know that it was wrong."

M'Naghten Rule can be found here;

ETA the link I quoted no longer works. I found another definition link

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/M'Naghten+Rule

and here

http://public.clinton.k12.mi.us/CCS...nts/Law Education/Ch. 11/Insanity Defense.pdf

So unless something changed from my earlier research. My understanding was that the state had to disprove insanity, which was the reason for all the requests for acquittal for reason of the state didn't prove insanity.

I may be mistaken, but that's my understanding of it.

 

[zoey]

Tampa Bay Times Live ‏@TBTimesLive · 21s
Being a mother was "the best job she ever had" defense atty says, quoting Julie's journal #ScheneckerTrial

ABCActionNewsCourt ‏@actionnewscourt · 1m
Defense: Continuity of care can affect a patient's care. Each time they move, start over, new doctor, new treatment. #ScheneckerTrial

 

[minor4th]

What were the circumstances of the 9-month hospitalization?

 

[Jewels53]

Let me know when she is done I took off my head phones. No disrespect, she is giving too much fluff and probably even the juror's are bored. jmo

 

[zoey]

What were the circumstances of the 9-month hospitalization?

think it started off as a trial at NIH -- depression

 

[nursebeeme]

after re-reading the emails:

http://tbo.com/assets/pdf/TB48127.PDF


It is totally clear to me :twocents: that she was not signing those release forms because she wanted to hide the gambling and did not want help and there is a clear motive for what she did to her children: anger and jealousy and loss of control. She bucked help whenever and where ever she could and it is clear that alcohol played a huge role in this entire thing. To me, it was NOT a red herring as a few of the psych doctors said it was. It seems that the entire thing started off with the car accident, the forced treatment, and the ultimatums to fill her prescriptions and take them and quit drinking and get family counseling.. and it is clear that she was trying to smooth it over with the family counseling and even at one point blaming the counselor.



(I re-read the emails after seeing if I could find a pdf of the journal entries)

*please don't throw things* just my twocents :cowcouch: (aside: I am very familiar with BPD as I have a family member with this diagnosis and it is NOT easy on a good day) :-(

 

[popsicle]

Under certain circumstances, Florida law allows a person to raise an Affirmative Defense, which does not deny that an offense occurred, but that the conduct was legally justified.

The most common Affirmative Defenses are:

Advice of Counsel
Alibi
Duress
Entrapment
Insanity
Necessity
Self Defense

Importantly, when an Affirmative Defense is raised, the defendant must present some evidence to support the defense. If such evidence is presented, the burden shift back to the State to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the defense is not applicable.

http://www.richardhornsby.com/criminal/defenses/trial.html

 

[angelainwi]

What were the circumstances of the 9-month hospitalization?

She wanted to try the rTMS treatment