GUILTY FL - Chance Walsh, 7 wks, North Port, 7 Oct 2015 #2

[Kadoober]

Don't forget it was on the ceiling as well http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/1...ida-nine-week-old-baby-found-buried-in-field/

A search of the couple's North Port home revealed droplets of blood and evidence of splatter on the walls and ceiling, and cadaver dogs also detected the possible presence of human remains in the home, Fox 13 reported, citing the arrest report.

I can't wrap my head around the amount of rage and hatred that they must have had for Chance to be able to do this. He was beaten so badly, so violently, that his blood was on the freaking ceiling.

I find myself thinking back to when my daughter was a few months old. I had a conversation with my mom, telling her that I could see how a lot of abuse came about due to a loss of control. Shaken baby, stuff like that. The constant crying can be maddening, exhausting, it drains you of all you have. And you let yourself lose it. Please don't think I am excusing that, I am not, but there were times where I was so tired that I got it. Fortunately I was able to control myself, make sure she was secure, and go cry in another room for a few.

This is so far removed from that kind of loss of control it's not even in the same book. The cruelty is stunning. He suffered...for hours after the brutality.

I can empathize with the idea that perhaps they found themselves disappointed that Chance wasn't Duane, once he was born. "We thought this would make us whole, and it didnt." But this level of rage? God help us all.

At the end of things, I guess this is a pretty pointless post. I was hoping I would be able to find some sense where there is none. To gain some understanding of something that is just flat out incomprehensible.

May whatever remains of the rest of their lives be nothing but misery.

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[Joe Friday]

My punishment for them involves a box of baby wipes, blue gloves, and lots of pacifiers........

Don't forget the pair of pliers and blowtorch.

 

[Kadoober]

if hubs ever did anything NEAR this to our baby, love would turn to hate real quick and I would stab him, I am sure.

Exactly. Note that I said 'visitation', because his keister would be kicked to the curb that minute. And that includes if he treated a squirrel that way, rather than our kid.

*not that squirrel visitation is a thing.
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[ILikeToBendPages]

Have we ever gotten an official ME ID that the body found is Chance. We all know it is, but I don't think we have gotten that all important official confirmation that LE said they were going to leave to the ME's office.

Has anyone heard if his little body had been claimed and buried by family?

Also I wonder what charges could be brought against them for the bruises and severe rash ( in looking at it more it looks like his whole left leg from crotch down is bruised) that can be seen in the photo? His right knee and leg also has large brusing on it. It's the photo of him sucking his thumb. What do you think?

Also why long sleeves in the summer? To hide brusing?

 

[EllieBee]

Can someone who knows more about the law explain to me how JW can just decide he does not want to show up for court today? I don'tget that.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

My punishment for them involves a box of baby wipes, blue gloves, and lots of pacifiers........

Skinning them and lay them out in the sun in death valley where temps reach 120 and above, covered in honey, and ants. Lots of ants. Am I too sick to want that for people like this? A bullet, the gas chamber, electrocution , hanging would be too kind and gentle.

 

[EllieBee]

Is this a weapon of choice for baby killers and abusers?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-crime-baby-wipe-idUSTRE7AB0R820111113

http://www.newswest9.com/story/26682225/father-upset-after-baby-chokes-on-baby-wipe

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...n-chokes-to-death-on-baby-wipes-31417260.html

 

[kaen]

Is this a weapon of choice for baby killers and abusers?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-crime-baby-wipe-idUSTRE7AB0R820111113

http://www.newswest9.com/story/26682225/father-upset-after-baby-chokes-on-baby-wipe

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...n-chokes-to-death-on-baby-wipes-31417260.html

And it appears you can get away with it. The mother stayed with this guy but the child lives in another state.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...abybre85h1tw-20120618_1_throat-jail-time-baby

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I get it and I agree. why didn't they just give him away? leave him on a porch and ring the doorbell? anything else but this? not only did they not want him but th3ey hated him. how could they? how could they hate something they made?

Were they getting any state aid or Wic because of Chance? I'm sure that came in handy along with disability payments.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I just KNEW I shouldn't have got involved with this thread. Why oh why didn't I listen to a member here when I joined up, who said s/he never gets into child cases? Now my subs is FULL of hurt / killed / abandoned babies and toddlers, and it seems like it's the same sodding story every time - druggie mum, mum's latest boyfriend, lots of Facebook lurve, DCF, disengaged grandparents, more drugs, secrets and lies blah blah blah. Poor little babies, my heart hurts, it really does

 

[CharlestonGal]

Can someone who knows more about the law explain to me how JW can just decide he does not want to show up for court today? I don'tget that.

Today's hearing was just one of the steps of due process. LE can only hold you for so long before they charge you with a crime. Once they do charge you with a crime, you must be brought before a judge so she can review the charges and what LE has on you and basically decide if you are being detained legally. They do that so LE isn't allowed to just throw people in jail and leave them to rot.

The initial hearing is a right of the accused and he can waive it (usually) if he wants to. JWs public defender probably told him the outcome of today's hearing was going to be the same as the outcome of KBs hearing on Saturday - charged with 1st degree murder, no bond, no contact with co-defendant, end of story. So there really was no point in JW getting out of bed if he didn't feel like it.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Were they getting any state aid or Wic because of Chance? I'm sure that came in handy along with disability payments.

I doubt it. In most states now they drug test welfare and food stamp applicants before approving or continuing aid. Neither of these two would have passed those tests. WIC, I'm not sure.

Besides, I really doubt either of these two would go through the hassle of sitting in an aid office and filling out a bazillion forms in the first place. You can't get drugs that way. You can only get things for your baby.

 

[bessie]

Can someone who knows more about the law explain to me how JW can just decide he does not want to show up for court today? I don'tget that.

The very basic and simple answer is that a defendant is granted a constitutional right to a hearing before a judge within a reasonable time after his arrest. Since it is a "right", he has the choice to "waive" it.

 

[pepelepolecat]

I doubt it. In most states now they drug test welfare and food stamp applicants before approving or continuing aid. Neither of these two would have passed those tests. WIC, I'm not sure.

Besides, I really doubt either of these two would go through the hassle of sitting in an aid office and filling out a bazillion forms in the first place. You can't get drugs that way. You can only get things for your baby.

Actually, it looks like only a minority of states do drug testing for welfare, including Florida -- but a judge halted it. It'd be interesting to know if they did get welfare of any kind for him if only to understand whether the risk could have been identified earlier (if, perhaps, they had repeated contact with a social worker or case worker of some kind).

(Just to clarify -- I realize that CPS and social workers are not miracle workers and are not necessarily to blame when a tragedy happens -- but I do think that this child was showing definite signs of neglect and abuse, which should have been caught by someone in his life).

 

[bessie]

Has anyone heard if his little body had been claimed and buried by family?

Also I wonder what charges could be brought against them for the bruises and severe rash ( in looking at it more it looks like his whole left leg from crotch down is bruised) that can be seen in the photo? His right knee and leg also has large brusing on it. It's the photo of him sucking his thumb. What do you think?

Also why long sleeves in the summer? To hide brusing?

Medical examiners are still working to confirm a positive identity, so no, his body hasn't been released.

"Last week, the sheriff’s office confirmed the body of an infant had been found. Medical examiners are still working to positively identify the body."
http://www.winknews.com/2015/10/20/father-of-missing-baby-chance-walsh-booked-into-sarasota-jail/

As for the bruises and rash, etc., I'm not sure. They're both charged with neglect, but I wonder if abuse could/will be added after the autopsy.

"Walsh is being held on 2 counts of child neglect with $150,000 bond and he is held on one count of homicide with no bond."
http://www.fox4now.com/news/father-of-chance-walsh-waives-first-appearance

 

[AC's Grandma]

I doubt it. In most states now they drug test welfare and food stamp applicants before approving or continuing aid. Neither of these two would have passed those tests. WIC, I'm not sure.

Besides, I really doubt either of these two would go through the hassle of sitting in an aid office and filling out a bazillion forms in the first place. You can't get drugs that way. You can only get things for your baby.

I'm sorry to say, but in this state, you can get drugs this way....it's the easiest way to get medical assistance so you have health insurance to pay legally for your opiates. I see it all day, every day with the Medicaid members who are insured with the company I work for. They call because they need prior authorization approved to get their several OxyContin scripts, morphine, methadone, etc prescriptions. I have never seen anything like it or knew it could be this bad until I started my most recent job a year ago.

 

[Kadoober]

I imagine it wasn't just one wipe. He probably stuffed the infant's mouth with a handful of them and the one got shoved so far back into the baby's throat that JW couldn't get that last one out once the baby had finally stopped making noise.

I'm not sure I believe there was a wipe. Why, after the violence inflicted upon him would they be concerned about a wipe? They didn't call 911, they hid his body, they clearly weren't concerned about the state he was in.

I doubt they went to "extreme measures" to remove a baby wipe from his mouth. Much like I doubt kb went to try and feed him after all that.

The wipe story was there to provide a cause for whatever damage was found in his mouth after he was found. Inconsistent with beating. IMO.

Damnit.

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[pepelepolecat]

I'm sorry to say, but in this state, you can get drugs this way....it's the easiest way to get medical assistance so you have health insurance to pay legally for your opiates. I see it all day, every day with the Medicaid members who are insured with the company I work for. They call because they need prior authorization approved to get their several OxyContin scripts, morphine, methadone, etc prescriptions. I have never seen anything like it or knew it could be this bad until I started my most recent job a year ago.

One of the news stories did mention that she was using opiates (although I wouldn't be surprised if they both used a veritable smorgasboard of drugs).

off-topic rant: Meanwhile, chronic pain patients are jumping through hoops just to get the bare minimum (and often not even getting that).

 

[Momoffourboys]

Damnit. That's all I keep thinking.

The wipe. Loaded with soap and chemicals. The poor baby was in so much pain and bleeding. And the wipe must have stung so terribly.

Thoughts of this baby are consuming me. I can't stop thinking of his pain.

 

[ninij9]

This is where (well another one where) I think it's bull$hit. If you have a baby wipe handy, wad it up and see how small it is, really. I doubt they were spending money on luxuriously thick baby wipes. I don't know what the real story is, but I don't even think they shoved a baby wipe in his mouth to shut him up. It's just pure evil. If you were in the bathroom and wanted to shut someone up, you'd gag them with a towel. I don't even want to think about what was really going on or how blood splatter gets on the ceiling and light fixtures. That is not from a mouth injury from the pacifier. It's no wonder why the LE officer had a hard time speaking right after they found him. Who knows what more we don't know.

I agree with your post. Normally I would want to know the whole truth, but the preliminary, half truth details already available are so much worse than I have ever heard that I don't think I could handle the truth.

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