GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

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And, this article, which I find a little confusing:

North Miami officials not ready to clear commander of 'lying' about police-involved shooting
Cmdr. Emile Hollant will not face charges in case
Local10 News ABC
By Derek Shore - Reporter , Amanda Batchelor - Senior Digital Editor
Posted: 4:09 PM, August 05, 2016
Updated: 5:51 PM, August 05, 2016

http://www.local10.com/news/north-m...ander-of-lying-about-police-involved-shooting

“NORTH MIAMI, Fla. - City officials are not quite ready to give a North Miami police commander the all-clear for his involvement in a police-involved shooting, despite prosecutors saying that they would not file charges against him.

Do you think Emile Hollant deserves an apology from the city?" Local 10 News reporter Derek Shore asked North Miami council member Scott Galvin.

Galvin said the Police Department is still conducting an internal review into the shooting of Kinsey by Officer Jonathon Aledda, and whether Hollant lied to detectives about circumstances surrounding the incident.

"I'm still in this position of waiting because you've got the FDLE investigation, which will address everything," Galvin said. "They're going to interview not only Commander Hollant, but they're going to interview Officer Aledda (and) all the other officers who were at the scene."”​

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CARIIS said:
o/t

Unarmed black teen killed for taking a car. The cops are shooting all over the neighborhood, and when it is all over (body cams here) they have no clue what they did or why. He is dead

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html
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In interviews this week, neighbors questioned the need to shoot an unarmed young man suspected of stealing a car and said the use of such firepower rattled them, leaving them to wonder who among them could have been hit by a stray bullet. The little boy who rides his bike up and down each evening waiting for his dad to get home from work? The 3-year-old on her scooter? What about the dog-walkers?
"I think we were kind of treated like we aren't who we are. We are a peaceful neighborhood," said Brown, 73, sitting under the shade of a magnolia tree in his yard. "I don't envy the police. They don't have an easy job. But this was a car. Nobody had been killed yet. … Now we have a situation that is boiling over, and a sanctuary is shot to hell. Nobody wins. The police lose. The community loses. The parents have to bury a child."
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How would you like to have those guys outside your house, shooting up your entire neighborhood, to stop one unarmed car thief? :facepalm: Just another typical day in America. This type of thing happens about once every eight hours. But we are supposed to feel safe with all this police “protection”. :rolleyes:
 
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KaaBoom said:
How would you like to have those guys outside your house, shooting up your entire neighborhood, to stop one unarmed car thief? :facepalm: Just another typical day in America. This type of thing happens about once every eight hours. But we are supposed to feel safe with all this police “protection”. :rolleyes:
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Hi

It is totally out of control - and in the one mentioned above - there is a cop on the other side of the street and this dude was aiming at the car, or to put it another way firing all over the place at the car -- AIMING at the car and the other cop.

Its amazing he did not kill more people, and yet in the last 18 months I have only heard of one charged . Baltimore they all got off.

One would think that even tho they get off, it would still be a deterent going through the process to get off - but a lot of them dont seem to be able to get over their control issues and racisim

its actually pathetic in terms of the world watching AMerica shoot it up !

There was a post from a Britain a while back and he said

"Looks like the AMericians are killing each other again"

Could not have said it better moo
 
  • #326
Charles Kinsey was shot less than six minutes after police arrived
Miami Herald
By Charles Rabin
August 5, 2016

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article94009242.html#storylink=cpy

snippets

“Two 911 calls bookend the police shooting two weeks ago that left a behaviorial therapist — lying flat on his back in a North Miami street with his hands in the air next to the autistic patient he was trying to help — wounded, bleeding and handcuffed.

The first call from a passing driver described two men in the street, a white Hispanic man possibly armed and possibly mentally ill, and a black man talking to him. The second call reported gunfire in the same area, the burst from a police officer’s rifle.

Less than six minutes elapsed between those critical calls. That was scant time for police officers to assess and potentially defuse a confusing encounter in broad daylight with two unarmed men.”

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“The Herald has requested, but has not yet obtained, audio recordings of radio transmissions by officers on the scene and police dispatchers. CBS News reported that in a sequence captured by the company Broadcastify — which records police and fire radio around the country — one officer warns, “He’s loading his weapon.” It isn’t clear from those transmissions if the officer was referring to Kinsey or Rios.

But another transmission, according to records released Friday, notes that “the person advises that it is a toy, it’s a toy car.”

Exactly when that transmission was made, or if Aledda heard it, remains unclear. Hollant, in an interview with prosecutors, seemed to acknowledge that he heard it, prompting him to go back to his car to grab binoculars.

“We were told that the subject had a toy. So I wanted to make sure that it was a toy that he had in his hand,” Hollant said in a transcript of the interview. Hollant said he was at his car, over a block away, when the gunfire rang out.”

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“Kinsey, with a bullet wound to his right thigh, was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital by Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. Rios, still in handcuffs, was placed in the backseat of a North Miami patrol car. Though the city won’t discuss Rios’s detention, both Clinton Bower, president of the MacTown group home where Rios lived and Rios’s attorney Matthew Dietz, said they believe he was in the patrol car for as many as four hours.

Bower said he learned Kinsey had been shot almost immediately, shortly after 5 p.m. He said he raced from his home to a tense scene within 10 minutes but his pleas to see Rios or speak the police chief were denied. At one point, Bower said he was told Rios had been taken to the North Miami police station. When Bower began demanding answers, he said an officer threatened him.

“An officer put his hand on his weapon and said ‘back off,’” Bower said. “Everything could have been handled so differently.””​

Long good article.
 
  • #327
i.b.nora said:
Charles Kinsey was shot less than six minutes after police arrived
Miami Herald
By Charles Rabin
August 5, 2016

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article94009242.html#storylink=cpy

snippets

“Two 911 calls bookend the police shooting two weeks ago that left a behaviorial therapist — lying flat on his back in a North Miami street with his hands in the air next to the autistic patient he was trying to help — wounded, bleeding and handcuffed.

The first call from a passing driver described two men in the street, a white Hispanic man possibly armed and possibly mentally ill, and a black man talking to him. The second call reported gunfire in the same area, the burst from a police officer’s rifle.

Less than six minutes elapsed between those critical calls. That was scant time for police officers to assess and potentially defuse a confusing encounter in broad daylight with two unarmed men.”

*

“The Herald has requested, but has not yet obtained, audio recordings of radio transmissions by officers on the scene and police dispatchers. CBS News reported that in a sequence captured by the company Broadcastify — which records police and fire radio around the country — one officer warns, “He’s loading his weapon.” It isn’t clear from those transmissions if the officer was referring to Kinsey or Rios.

But another transmission, according to records released Friday, notes that “the person advises that it is a toy, it’s a toy car.”

Exactly when that transmission was made, or if Aledda heard it, remains unclear. Hollant, in an interview with prosecutors, seemed to acknowledge that he heard it, prompting him to go back to his car to grab binoculars.

“We were told that the subject had a toy. So I wanted to make sure that it was a toy that he had in his hand,” Hollant said in a transcript of the interview. Hollant said he was at his car, over a block away, when the gunfire rang out.”

*

“Kinsey, with a bullet wound to his right thigh, was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital by Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. Rios, still in handcuffs, was placed in the backseat of a North Miami patrol car. Though the city won’t discuss Rios’s detention, both Clinton Bower, president of the MacTown group home where Rios lived and Rios’s attorney Matthew Dietz, said they believe he was in the patrol car for as many as four hours.

Bower said he learned Kinsey had been shot almost immediately, shortly after 5 p.m. He said he raced from his home to a tense scene within 10 minutes but his pleas to see Rios or speak the police chief were denied. At one point, Bower said he was told Rios had been taken to the North Miami police station. When Bower began demanding answers, he said an officer threatened him.

“An officer put his hand on his weapon and said ‘back off,’” Bower said. “Everything could have been handled so differently.””​

Long good article.
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It just gets more and more disturbing. At least one officer was trying to accurately assess the threat - why didn't the shooter???

ETA: Axelrad needs to shut up. His continued efforts to malign the victims is disgusting and what he says about the shooting makes zero sense.

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Shot him for no reason and then put him in handcuffs.

Wtf.
 
  • #329
Excellent article i.b. nora.


What prompted officer Jonathan Aledda, a SWAT team veteran, to pull the trigger remains murky. Police Benevolent Association President John Rivera defended the shooting, saying Aledda was actually aiming at Rios, who officers believe had a handgun, to protect Kinsey. But if that was the case, why stop shooting after striking the wrong target?

Good question.
 
  • #330
bluesneakers said:
Excellent article i.b. nora.


What prompted officer Jonathan Aledda, a SWAT team veteran, to pull the trigger remains murky. Police Benevolent Association President John Rivera defended the shooting, saying Aledda was actually aiming at Rios, who officers believe had a handgun, to protect Kinsey. But if that was the case, why stop shooting after striking the wrong target?

Good question.
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And after shooting the wrong “target” why handcuff the innocent victim, and leave him to bleed out for 20 minutes? The cops story is so full of BS. It just shows the lack of intelligence of the cop, and the union president, who has been elected by all the cops to represent them.
 
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KaaBoom said:
And after shooting the wrong “target” why handcuff the innocent victim, and leave him to bleed out for 20 minutes? The cops story is so full of BS. It just shows the lack of intelligence of the cop, and the union president, who has been elected by all the cops to represent them.
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The more I read the more I shake my head. What the hell were they thinking? Trying to cover up gets people in more trouble than admitting a mistake. It seems LE just doesn't get it. I get the sense some think "no one died" so what is the big deal.
 
  • #332
I know! If it's true that he accidentally shot the gun, why not just say so? That is so much better than "I shot a black man while aiming for a man with a disability and a toy truck."

Eta: in response to Jax. Meant to quote.

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  • #333
Doghairrules said:
I know! If it's true that he accidentally shot the gun, why not just say so? That is so much better than "I shot a black man while aiming for a man with a disability and a toy truck."

Eta: in response to Jax. Meant to quote.

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Weren't there 3 shots fired?
 
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jjenny said:
3 shots, 2 missed.
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Yes. And one expert in the article said something like there could have been three bullets in the chamber? I know nothing about gun speak. Lol

Edited to add expert called it a 3-shot weapon that could have accidentally discharged three bullets. He didn't say that's what the officer used but I guess it's a possibility.

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  • #336
Doghairrules said:
Yes. And one expert in the article said something like there could have been three bullets in the chamber? I know nothing about gun speak. Lol

Edited to add expert called it a 3-shot weapon that could have accidentally discharged three bullets. He didn't say that's what the officer used but I guess it's a possibility.

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Hi dog

I am confident we both are completly fine with not knowing a darn thing about gun speak--can you imagine what the news could cover with out shootings in America- dead air. It takes up (Trump ) the entire broadcasts everyday. !

"I shot a black man while aiming for a man with a disability and a toy truck."

Brillant

bluesneakers said:
Excellent article i.b. nora.


What prompted officer Jonathan Aledda, a SWAT team veteran, to pull the trigger remains murky. Police Benevolent Association President John Rivera defended the shooting, saying Aledda was actually aiming at Rios, who officers believe had a handgun, to protect Kinsey. But if that was the case, why stop shooting after striking the wrong target?

Good question.
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Hi Blue! agree , as usual ibnora finds awesome stuff. It was wonderfully written peice - paints a picture - and makes you more mad huh??

bluesneakers said:
Excellent article i.b. nora.
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  • #337
I think on a nationial level someone is going to have to train a mini police dept for deployment to cities with officers on "administrative leave".

We should call it the ALRP= Administrative Leave Replacement Pool.
 
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CARIIS said:
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[h=1]North Miami Police Commander Won't Face Charges in Therapist Shooting[/h]
I did not know the other cop shot a AK-15?

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...-Charges-in-Therapist-Shooting-389233262.html
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I still say something big is missing from this story. It doesn't make any sense. Why did they handcuff the guy they thought was the victim? And let him bleed out? And then they must have continued to ignore his explanation of what was really going on. There is something up with this cop. He has an impeccable record (almost "super cop" like) except for two incidents where he arrested (and shot) the VICTIM.
 
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