GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #2

[Miss_Diana]

I hope I'm allowed to do this. I created this last night, thinking of Cherish.

Her soul is with the Sun (SON) now.

MODS: if this is in bad taste in any way, or just not presentable to you, feel free to remove.

 

[MadamReporter]

I keep trying to put myself in her position..

1st 3 rules in life to ur child.

Never talk to strangers
Never take things from strangers
Never get in a car with a stranger

My family would disown me with that version of events..
My husband would certainly divorce me

Wow. It makes it even more chilling when you put it that way.

 

[MadamReporter]

I wonder if Cherish's dad could have some kind of case for wrongful death against the mother. Probably not, but good grief. She facilitated this perp in every possible way.

This is an option that families of murder victims often use when our criminal justice system has failed them. The family will sue that person civilly, not because they would ever collect anything monetarily if there was a judgment in their favor (think the Goldman family in the OJ case), but it's the only way to get the person to tell their story under oath.

 

[momrids6]

Pardon if this was already posted, but I just came upon it.....

I think this is a newer video

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=317965

It's worth watching!

It's strange to me that the boyfriend refers to the alleged murder by his first name. DONALD? Did he know him previously?

"When Rayne's back was turned in Walmart and busy looking at clothes, and this came from some of the people at Walmart, Donald talked Cherish into following him to McDonald's," said Pearson."

Ummm- so strangers let him take her??

I am very uncomfortable with those little ones with microphones in their faces and being put on display - especially with the hiding of Mom's face by LE.

 

[momrids6]

I also find their statements disturbing. They are more concerned with her public image, then justice and outrage for her daughter. All of their statements have been spinning the Mcdonalds thing. Nothing about wanting the monster to be locked up, nothing about their grief.

And how on earth would he even know what the employees are saying. If any of you worked at Walmart, would you just stand by as an old man tries to convince a little girl to go with him to Mcdonalds? A Mcdonalds that you KNOW is closed? Then, do nothing as they leave the store. Anyone?

The employees were not saying anything and they certainly would not sit idly by ; unlike the person responsible for her. They like their jobs.

And trying to make it sound like she turned her back for mere seconds and that looking at clothes requires massive concentration- so much concentration in fact that one could not possibly watch their children, is ridiculous.

 

[jjenny]

And never mind that police dispatch indicates she knew DS took child into McDonalds (albeit inside the store).

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

I keep trying to put myself in her position..

1st 3 rules in life to ur child.

Never talk to strangers
Never take things from strangers
Never get in a car with a stranger

My family would disown me with that version of events..
My husband would certainly divorce me

I gave my DH the details of this case and asked what he would do if I made the same choices RP made. He said he would have taken our children and left. Especially with the job my DH has. He is gone from home for weeks at a time working in the Gulf of Mexico. He has to be able to trust me to make the best decisions about everything because its not like I can pick up the phone and call him throughout the day or ask him to leave work and come home since he takes a helicopter to work... You know?
I have been in RP's shoes with my kids. Even though my DH does have a good job, sometimes he is home 5-6 weeks at a time and money gets tight. I try not to take my kids to the store with me when I know I have a very limited/strict budget because it sucks so bad to tell them no, we can't afford that toy or book they want this week. But I have had to bring them and I have had to tell them no. I would never, ever, ever load my children into a random person's vehicle for the promise of $100 or $1000. I would never, ever, ever allow a stranger escort my children to a dressing room. I would never, ever, ever turn my back to a stranger who was overly interested in my children. I would never, ever not know where my kids were for 20+ minutes unless I was knocked unconscious.
Part of me does feel bad for RP. She has to be feeling extreme guilt and sorrow. I would even say more pain than if she hadn't made the choices that contributed to Cherish's death. There is no way around it- she is at fault to a point for what happened to her daughter. Donald Smith is the murderer but RP definitely made his job easier. I feel bad for a desperate mother who would make the choices she did.. I don't think RP will ever make similar choices in the future. At the cost of Cherish's life, I do believe that RP has learned a lesson that she will carry with her forever. I don't think her other children are at risk for being put in a similar situation. I do hope the victim advocacy group gets RP some therapy and parenting classes, ASAP.

 

[Magdalyn]

One question and one 'thing that makes you go hmmmm':

Question: Does Florida DCF automatically investigate/open a file on cases such as these?

example-When Jorelys Rivera (GA) went missing from her apartment complex playground while her mom was napping back at the apartment (knowing she was unattended at the playground), DFACS swooped in and temporarily removed the kids (for their safety) while they investigated the circumstances surrounding Jorelys 'going missing' (which turned out to be an abduction) and her death. The surviving children were returned to Mom before the police investigation was resolved, but I know there was some sort of ongoing case plan given to her and some agreement/plan signed off on with the estranged father regarding the remaining kids.

I'm trying to comprehend why, when in the police report it states she placed three children in a stranger's car, allowed a stranger to escort 1 child to a changing room away from her, and allowed a stranger to take her child to the McDonald's away from her.....why are the other two children still in the household? They weren't even removed for a single day AFAIK. Hard to fathom for me. I'm seriously afraid for them!

Now, for things that make you go hmmmm....

People have pointed out, "Who takes their kid shopping for a dress when they don't have the money for a dress?"

If it was just a dress for Cherish originally, why drag a three and five year old along with you too, at that time of night....when their father is at home, available to watch them or put them to bed, but instead he's home on his lonesome yammering with the neighbor?

I suppose the kids could have just begged to go with mom, or Dad doesn't do 'babysitting', but ...hmmmm.

 

[Magdalyn]

And never mind that police dispatch indicates she knew DS took child into McDonalds (albeit inside the store).

And to the dressing rooms!

 

[momrids6]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...f-orders-investigation-delay-notifying-public

see comment from poster with 936 points

 

[paris_paris]

Something to the effect of "Until you carry a baby and they're murdered, you can't judge me."

We should ask Tara McDonald what she thinks.

 

[Donjeta]

It is probably unlikely that she'll ever do the late night shopping with a RSO in the dressing room thing again since it didn't go too well but I think the authorities probably should take a long hard look at whether there are other irresponsible things she does that haven't got anyone killed yet.

 

[momrids6]

Anyone in the Jacksonville area that would like to support Cherish's father are asked to please attend the viewing and funeral of Cherish.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Just caught up and haven't been here or read any cases in a few years..HaLeigh Cummings case drove me nuts and I vowed to never read another one and yet here I am.. It's Hard not to read when it hits this close to home..I also live in Jacksonville on the North side and was in this very WM on Wednesday evening before that dreadful Friday night..I have shopped at this WM years ago as much as twice a week however on that Wednesday evening it was a weary/freaky/creepy kinda feeling to be in there...Of course I only mentioned this feeling I had to my Boyfriend and then I just said it felt weird like a ghost town or something...I didn't put my finger on the weary/freaky/creepy kinda feeling until I seen another poster here say that she felt that WM was creepy or whatever was said..Sorry i don't remember the exact quote..

I was out Yard saleing and rode by this WM on the following Saturday morning at 7Am as I was checking the weather on the local station news4jax I seen the report about Cherish..However seeing the empty WM parking lot you would never have known anything had taken place there..Not a police car in sight..I guess they had moved to the command center by that time...

As I read this story out loud shaking my head the whole time I was in disbelief..After I finished reading the article I looked at my Boyfriend who was driving and I said "Something is way wrong with this story". I was right the more that comes out the worse it gets..I agree with many here and I will refrain from saying much more...

The HaLeigh Cummings case got ugly very quick here at WS..Oh Gosh what a mess that was/is...Somehow this case reminds me of that case only difference is Cherish was found and HaLeigh has not been found..It seems to be the same cast of characters though IMO.. I will say that much..

Just wanted to mention because some had questions if it was RP in the DG video pushing the stroller.. In this video it shows her standing at the front entrance of WM in the same Black dress also with the same hair color..

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/2510838659001/1/JSO-reveals-new-evidence-in-Perrywinkle-case


Another thing I wanted to mention I seen there was some confusion awhile ago about the distance to the WM from DG per Mapquest it is 5.58 miles..Give or take about an 11 minute drive according to traffic..

One last thing I have seen reports of the BF saying he asked a neighbor to take him to WM because he was worried and then I have seen reports where he says he wanted to check on the investigation/scene (again i don't remember the exact quote) both said around 1 am...Not sure which is the truth..

In one of those timelines posted it shows the JSO checking Cherish's residence around 12:57am or something like that..I'm Just wondering if they are infact the ones who notified him of what was going on? I'm sorry I don't have links but all of this has been posted here with links up thread/Back thread it is late/early and I need sleep not gonna dig for them..lol..

Just another inconsistency in the story IMO..

Thanks for all the thoughts, observations, and clarifications. Yes, in the video it is obvious that the mother had that red hair at Walmart. I'm still having a hard time seeing if it was the same dress though...cannot see the top really well.

Have you, by chance, traveled between Cherish's home to the Walmart? It would be nice to know what type of trip that would be on foot, especially with three children in tow (as I don't think we've yet to hear if Cherish's mother or her b/f own a working vehicle...but the fact that the stroller was in use at DG would suggest to me that the mother walked with Cherish and her siblings to DG).

Again, thanks for the input. It is very helpful, I think!

 

[No Stone Unturned]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...f-orders-investigation-delay-notifying-public

Timeline of events is the most detailed that I've seen.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

And never mind that police dispatch indicates she knew DS took child into McDonalds (albeit inside the store).

And never mind that one of our own (mom! ) sleuthed this very Walmart and determined that it would be nigh on impossible to not be able to see that the in-store McDonald's was closed at that particular point in time.

 

[Magdalyn]

I gave my DH the details of this case and asked what he would do if I made the same choices RP made. He said he would have taken our children and left. Especially with the job my DH has. He is gone from home for weeks at a time working in the Gulf of Mexico. He has to be able to trust me to make the best decisions about everything because its not like I can pick up the phone and call him throughout the day or ask him to leave work and come home since he takes a helicopter to work... You know?
I have been in RP's shoes with my kids. Even though my DH does have a good job, sometimes he is home 5-6 weeks at a time and money gets tight. I try not to take my kids to the store with me when I know I have a very limited/strict budget because it sucks so bad to tell them no, we can't afford that toy or book they want this week. But I have had to bring them and I have had to tell them no. I would never, ever, ever load my children into a random person's vehicle for the promise of $100 or $1000. I would never, ever, ever allow a stranger escort my children to a dressing room. I would never, ever, ever turn my back to a stranger who was overly interested in my children. I would never, ever not know where my kids were for 20+ minutes unless I was knocked unconscious.
Part of me does feel bad for RP. She has to be feeling extreme guilt and sorrow. I would even say more pain than if she hadn't made the choices that contributed to Cherish's death. There is no way around it- she is at fault to a point for what happened to her daughter. Donald Smith is the murderer but RP definitely made his job easier. I feel bad for a desperate mother who would make the choices she did.. I don't think RP will ever make similar choices in the future. At the cost of Cherish's life, I do believe that RP has learned a lesson that she will carry with her forever. I don't think her other children are at risk for being put in a similar situation. I do hope the victim advocacy group gets RP some therapy and parenting classes, ASAP.

Respectfully, I don't see her as desperate. This was a voluntary shopping trip, she says, to buy a dress for Cherish. She volunteered to go, presumably left the house with SOME money, just not 'enough'. Not having enough money for one's desires (dress was not necessity) does not make a person desperate, except maybe in their own mind. She was not desperate for transportation. She wasn't stranded anywhere with children. And on top of all this, she didn't even have to have the children with her, as reports imply her husband was at home.

IMO, her parenting classes should wait until after she's worked through the process of her child endangerment charges. IMO, if an unrelated babysitter did all the things she did while in charge of the children, I believe they'd be sitting in jail right now. :twocents:

 

[michmi]

And to the dressing rooms!

I haven't used a Walmart dressing room in years - are they not staffed anymore? Because allowing a male to take a female child into the dressing room is a no-go for me. If I was shopping there it would certainly get MY attention and I'd have to see what was going on in there.

 

[jjenny]

I haven't used a Walmart dressing room in years - are they not staffed anymore? Because allowing a male to take a female child into the dressing room is a no-go for me. If I was shopping there it would certainly get MY attention and I'd have to see what was going on in there.

Walmart staff would have no way of knowing that the guy wasn't her grandpa, for instance.

 

[Magdalyn]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...f-orders-investigation-delay-notifying-public

Timeline of events is the most detailed that I've seen.

From within the timeline article:

"“All we had was the name of ‘Don’ and what he looked like,” he said. They learned the suspect drove a white van possibly owned by his mother.
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How'd that come up in conversation: "Hey, climb up into my creeper van with the seats removed. No, it's not my ceeper van, it's my mom's! See! Family man!"