GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #2

[Magdalyn]

I haven't used a Walmart dressing room in years - are they not staffed anymore? Because allowing a male to take a female child into the dressing room is a no-go for me. If I was shopping there it would certainly get MY attention and I'd have to see what was going on in there.

Well, we don't know if he actually took her to the dressing rooms. Mom said he did to police, very early on. (which is weird. why did it suddenly stand out to her as important when she was talking to police, but not important while it was happening?)

We don't know if he went IN with her, if that is where they went twice. He my not have gone in, but was trying to establish trust with Cherish and mom. "See, I take her, but I bring her back, and she's just fine!"

I'm not sure how late this was/if the staff was still manning the dressing rooms, or closing up their section, putting away discards, etc.

There must be camaras that, at the very least, show the desk where the person manning them stands (which is in front of and sort of in the center of the fitting rooms where I shop.) It would be a back-up to see how many clothes went in and how many come out.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

Respectfully, I don't see her as desperate. This was a voluntary shopping trip, she says, to buy a dress for Cherish. She volunteered to go, presumably left the house with SOME money, just not 'enough'. Not having enough money for one's desires (dress was not necessity) does not make a person desperate, except maybe in their own mind. She was not desperate for transportation. She wasn't stranded anywhere with children. And on top of all this, she didn't even have to have the children with her, as reports imply her husband was at home.

IMO, her parenting classes should wait until after she's worked through the process of her child endangerment charges. IMO, if an unrelated babysitter did all the things she did while in charge of the children, I believe they'd be sitting in jail right now. :twocents:

I mean desperate in general. I guess I mean for a poor mother who is always struggling to make ends meet- that type of desperation. The type that doesn't think clearly and doesn't make rational or responsible choices. I happen to agree with you about child endangerment charges. There is a case here at WS I am following out of OK- The murder of Jaymie Adams. She was a pregnant mother prostituting on Craigslist who went missing after leaving her home to meet up with a John. Originally her husband was arrested and charged with her murder until DNA evidence found on her body came back to another PIO-Joseph Cyr- the John she left home to meet up with. Her husband at first tried to lie about what Jaymie was doing and where she was when she went missing- in an attempt to keep his own criminal activities from coming to light with law enforcement. After Cyr was arrested on murder charges, her husband Justin was arrested on manslaughter charges because their criminal activities- prostitution- led to Jaymie's death. Tragic? Absolutely. Avoidable? Absolutely. The choices Justin and Jaymie made led to her murder. While ultimately Joesph Cyr is believed to be her killer- Jaymie and Justin made it easier for him to commit the crime. Much like we see here. And in the above case- I hate to type out Justin and Jaymie together because Jaymie is a victim who paid with her life but if LE can hold Justin partly responsible in her death, then she is also partly responsible because she was not trafficked and forced into her situation.

For reference: Found Deceased OK - *ARREST MADE* - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 09 Dec 2011 - Page 36 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[michmi]

Walmart staff would have no way of knowing that the guy wasn't her grandpa, for instance.

Sorry, but even dad or grandpa doesn't go in the female dressing rooms. No, no, no.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

Sorry, but even dad or grandpa doesn't go in the female dressing rooms. No, no, no.

I never take my kids in dressing rooms. Not even my 7 year old goddaughter. I have slipped a dress right over her clothes in the girl section before to make sure it fit. At these ages, clothes don't have to fit absolutely perfect so trying something on over clothes is acceptable, IMO. It's not like Cherish was an adult who wants her clothes to fit a certain way so trying them on is a must.

 

[Magdalyn]

I mean desperate in general. I guess I mean for a poor mother who is always struggling to make ends meet- that type of desperation. The type that doesn't think clearly and doesn't make rational or responsible choices. I happen to agree with you about child endangerment charges. There is a case here at WS I am following out of OK- The murder of Jaymie Adams. She was a pregnant mother prostituting on Craigslist who went missing after leaving her home to meet up with a John. Originally her husband was arrested and charged with her murder until DNA evidence found on her body came back to another PIO-Joseph Cyr- the John she left home to meet up with. Her husband at first tried to lie about what Jaymie was doing and where she was when she went missing- in an attempt to keep his own criminal activities from coming to light with law enforcement. After Cyr was arrested on murder charges, her husband Justin was arrested on manslaughter charges because their criminal activities- prostitution- led to Jaymie's death. Tragic? Absolutely. Avoidable? Absolutely. The choices Justin and Jaymie made led to her murder. While ultimately Joesph Cyr is believed to be her killer- Jaymie and Justin made it easier for him to commit the crime. Much like we see here. And in the above case- I hate to type out Justin and Jaymie together because Jaymie is a victim who paid with her life but if LE can hold Justin partly responsible in her death, then she is also partly responsible because she was not trafficked and forced into her situation.

For reference: Found Deceased OK - *ARREST MADE* - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 09 Dec 2011 - Page 36 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Ugh. That case sounds just awful. :stormingmad:

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

Ugh. That case sounds just awful. :stormingmad:

It is awful- just as almost every case here is. The very few who have happy endings here are still sad. Like the girls from Cleveland. Sure, they came home alive a decade later but what did they endure for a decade? We can only imagine the horror.
I just wanted to link a case where there were 2 people arrested for the same crime with very different charges- one for the actual murder of a victim and another for someone else's role in the position of the victim to be murdered. (Does that sentence make sense?) It is possible we many see charges brought against others in Cherish's case.

 

[burbqueen]

ok jaymie adams and her husband were adults making adult decisions. Ignorant ones IMO, but yeah they got caught up in a dangerous lifestyle.

Poor Cherish was a child that needed a parent to guide her and make decisions for her. She was failed.

This mom was desperate and poor? Once again I stress I havent heard a lick of anything about either one of these able bodied people getting support from co-workers. So I'm assuming they didnt work. Usually in cases like this family, friends, co-workers come forward to speak for the parents. In this case the silence is deafening.

I may be proven wrong but its like these 2 parents are on an island. anyone besides the bf sticking up for Rayne, which BTW I dunno if that is her real name and the bf, aheron? uh no. I've read his real name is Adam.

there are resources for the truly poor. You dont head to DG with not enough money in the first place with kids in tow. Or trying to find yourself a dress if you are the mom. There are clothes and food pantries out there.

Some may think RP acted like she was born yesterday, but I was not. I have enough thieves and grifters in my family to know better.

 

[SwampMama]

Back to the "fiance" thing. I am wondering about the poverty they lived in. Was the child support from Cherish's father the biggest amount of money coming into the home, eclipsing the earnings of mom and "fiance"?

Remember that Cherish's dad found about her when mom filed for state aid so I wonder if "mom" is still on state aid. If so, if fiance living in the house and mom is claiming aid but not listing him in the household, that is a no-no.

Of course that is speculation and curiosity on my part. Based on nothing but things I have seen in my own area. I am quite sure that there is more to this sordid and sad story. I pray that the younger children are removed and given to a loving person who can provide for them. I fear for them, so much.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

ok jaymie adams and her husband were adults making adult decisions. Ignorant ones IMO, but yeah they got caught up in a dangerous lifestyle.

Poor Cherish was a child that needed a parent to guide her and make decisions for her. She was failed.

This mom was desperate and poor? Once again I stress I havent heard a lick of anything about either one of these able bodied people getting support from co-workers. So I'm assuming they didnt work. Usually in cases like this family, friends, co-workers come forward to speak for the parents. In this case the silence is deafening.

I may be proven wrong but its like these 2 parents are on an island. anyone besides the bf sticking up for Rayne, which BTW I dunno if that is her real name and the bf, aheron? uh no. I've read his real name is Adam.

there are resources for the truly poor. You dont head to DG with not enough money in the first place with kids in tow. Or trying to find yourself a dress if you are the mom. There are clothes and food pantries out there.

Some may think RP acted like she was born yesterday, but I was not. I have enough thieves and grifters in my family to know better.

I know Jaymie and Justin were adults making decisions. One could argue that Justin is not responsible at all for Jaymie's choices (as I'm sure his lawyer will at his trial) yet, he is still charged with a role in her death. RP is an adult who was in charge of making decisions for her child- decisions that directly led to her death. So in essence, the same situation. Except here we have an innocent child victim and not a grown adult victim so it's worse. Cherish didn't make the decisions that led up to her murder.

 

[Amster]

My thinking is that after 7+ years of living with Rayne and fathering two other children, Cherish probably did consider him not just a "father figure" but her actual father..

IMO, he was a "spouse", not a "live-in boyfriend" - the terms carry certain differences in moral connotation and if a man stays with a woman as a partner and has a family, he ought to be considered her "spouse" not some shacked up shag of a lover, you know?

Of course we don't know what -quality- of a spouse and father he was. Just, he doesn't deserve the "live in bf" tag IMO.

Cherish has an actual father.....

 

[blue22]

The employees were not saying anything and they certainly would not sit idly by ; unlike the person responsible for her. They like their jobs.

And trying to make it sound like she turned her back for mere seconds and that looking at clothes requires massive concentration- so much concentration in fact that one could not possibly watch their children, is ridiculous.

I agree. I was asking in a snarky way...as if anyone would let him walk out with Cherish and do nothing.

 

[momrids6]

I agree. I was asking in a snarky way...as if anyone would let him walk out with Cherish and do nothing.

I know... I was backing you up

 

[blue22]

I know... I was backing you up

:rockon:

 

[momrids6]

Please see: https://www.facebook.com/groups/139460826255774/

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[mikeysmommom]

Walmart staff would have no way of knowing that the guy wasn't her grandpa, for instance.

At 8 I still would have thought it was off. I guess everyone feels differently but by that age a child should have their privacy even from a male family member.I grew up in a 2 story house and my grampa was my dad figure he never took me shopping that was the females job when it was clothing lol and when I was around 6 I refuse to share a dressing room with my 2 big sister who laughed at me when I turned around and covered my eyes because they took off their bras.If I was an employee I engaged said something like "What a pretty color that is" just to see the child's demeanor.But it would not of helped in this case.If I saw a child who seems anxious then I would have alerted security to watch them.

 

[mikeysmommom]

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True character shining thru ,for her to even try to do shows I was right to believe she never told him till welfare made her have to.To keep him away after what she caused to happen. I have to stop here or i will be banned! The nerve of her she thinks the public is against before after this :stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad::stormingmad:

 

[blue22]

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Welp, now I want to throttle someone.

 

[AstroKitty]

OH MY GOD! As if I could shake my head at any more of the things said...

That FB has me reeling and can I just say "IM NOT SHOCKED" but I'm sickened.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Cherish has an actual father.....

THANK YOU! Why do people forget that!!!!!!! not everyone but as a mother of a son who would give his life up and has been trying his damnest to fight the system to save his son from being a headline.Not all dads are deadbeats just because the mom says so!Not all dads dont wanna to be there for their child like the next time people here about a no good father I hope they will remember this mom,maybe the dad wanted to be there but the mom was like this one,who thought not of her child but herself even after she was murdered!!!Sorry to rant but it makes me crazy!

 

[mikeysmommom]

I hope the fathers rights groups see this!Maybe they would show up to support him.Unfricken believable!!!!!!!