NOTGUILTY FL - Collin Griffith, 17, stabs mother to death 1 year after fatally shooting father - Sep. 11, 2024

Just to make the point; the Casey Anthony jury was out for a little less time than Griffith's jury. The Casey Anthony trial lasted about five weeks. Collin's trial lasted five DAYS and the jury was out for slightly more time than Casey's jury, a little over 11 hrs. I'm just saying I disagree with people bashing the Griffith case jurors. I'm saying anyone here has done that but I've seen it on other social media; saying things like that these are the dumbest jurors since Casey Anthony blah, blah, blah.

Kind of a separate subject but Collin obviously shouldn't have been returned to Cathy Griffith after the shooting. Custody of him had been transferred to the father to begin with because Cathy was unstable, volatile and erratic.
Thank you for noting my posts. Just to be clear @Swirlz …. I have not and am not ‘bashing the Griffith case jurors’. Not at all, and not in the least. And IMO my post was not in response to any particular message or post - and was a little more on point as to perhaps the prosecution case needed further refinement. MOO
 
I respect the jury, I respect the process.

The State just failed to bring it.

I'm not sure what now they could have done. The Defense provided a half dozen maybe-couldas but IMO maybe-couldas don't equal reasonable doubt, but when the State hasn't provided something to offset it, a reasonable chain of events, I can see why the jury decided the way they did. With the evidence they had. If it feels just as plausible he killed his mother because he wanted to or because he felt threatened bodily, there's no BARD.

We might need a different charge for self-defense whereby you're guilty -- because you did kill someone -- but then the judge has wide latitude in sentencing. From zero to ....

Probation, suspended sentences, order anger-management, order therapy, order community service.

How many people have killed BOTH their parents? Odds defying.

I wish there had been A charge that would stick so that he would have had a provisional release.

I hope there's a healthier part forward for him but I am uneasy.

JMO
 
Whether or not it matters, Collin was actually quite a bit shorter than the male attorney who served as co-counsel on his case and that attorney didn't look like he was particularly tall. I didn't get any particular impression that Collin was a big kid, not that the mother was exactly the incredible hulk either.

This kid just had a public defender. She put on a very low-key case but was able to establish through thorough crosses of prosecution investigators and by calling one witness, Collin's maternal grandmother, to the stand, that Cathy had, in the past, exhibited a clear pattern of threatening, abusive, volatile and aggressive behaviors including threatening Collin and other people in Collin's presence with weapons. The grandmother's testimony was corroborated by some facts that weren't in dispute; Cathy had been convicted previously of threatening Collin's father with a gun and in the presence of Collin. Collin and Cathy's other child had both repeatedly been removed from Cathy's custody by Florida's DCF.

It was established that Collin had made multiple attempts to remove himself from Cathy's home. He had reported abuse by her to school authorities, he had asked law enforcement to remove him, he had repeatedly run away to his grandmother's house. But Florida DCF workers continued to automatically believe Cathy's claims that Collin was lying and failed to investigate. Collin was continuously returned by authorities to Cathy.

The prosecutor WAS allowed to tell jurors Collin had killed previously and by firing two shots. The ONLY info the jury wasn't given was the relationship between Collin and the decedent. They didn't know the previous victim was Collin's father. The jury wasn't sequestered.

The defense left open the question of what exactly happened the day Cathy was killed but took the position Cathy was the primary aggressor. Collin didn't take the stand.
In every picture of the two of them he's a complete head taller than her.

You said that you didn't believe him when he said "she fell on knife", so why would he lie?

Wasn't he arrested for domestic battery of her and threated to kill her many times? It's not like he was some kind of angel. It seemed like most of the fights involved him not wanting to do chores. He comes across as knowing the laws and using that knowledge to get away with murder. I feel strongly he will kill again.
 
Wasn't he arrested for domestic battery of her and threated to kill her many times?
Collin repeatedly told law enforcement he could go into what he called 'flight or fight mode' and asked to be removed from Cathy, stating she had repeatedly threatened him. There was evidence to back up that based on a known history of past behaviors by Cathy Griffith, it was reasonable to believe Collin was attempting to escape by telling law enforcement he would fight back if pushed. Collin reported abusive and threatening behavior by Cathy to school officials. DCF didn't believe Collin and DID believe Cathy Griffith's claim Collin was lying about her. DCF did NOT do an investigation, they simply talked to Cathy.

Both Collin and his older brother had been removed from Cathy's custody by Florida's DCF on multiple previous occasions. Cathy had a known history of erratic and violent behaviors and had threatened Collin's father and other people on multiple occasions, including in Collin's presence and including with weapons. This was established on cross by witnesses the PROSECUTOR called.

Collin was arrested previously for battery of Cathy for knocking her down. He admitted he did it but said it was in response to her punching him in the face. The authorities believed Cathy.
 
Collin repeatedly told law enforcement he could go into what he called 'flight or fight mode' and asked to be removed from Cathy, stating she had repeatedly threatened him. There was evidence to back up that based on a known history of past behaviors by Cathy Griffith, it was reasonable to believe Collin was attempting to escape by telling law enforcement he would fight back if pushed. Collin reported abusive and threatening behavior by Cathy to school officials. DCF didn't believe Collin and DID believe Cathy Griffith's claim Collin was lying about her. DCF did NOT do an investigation, they simply talked to Cathy.

Both Collin and his older brother had been removed from Cathy's custody by Florida's DCF on multiple previous occasions. Cathy had a known history of erratic and violent behaviors and had threatened Collin's father and other people on multiple occasions, including in Collin's presence and including with weapons. This was established on cross by witnesses the PROSECUTOR called.

Collin was arrested previously for battery of Cathy for knocking her down. He admitted he did it but said it was in response to her punching him in the face. The authorities believed Cathy.
So you believe both times he killed a parent it was self-defence?
 
So you believe both times he killed a parent it was self-defence?
I only watched the trial for the Cathy Griffith homicide. I mean, I can't really comment on the father. I didn't think premeditation or kidnapping in Cathy's case were proven. I thought some other jury could've come back with second degree murder or manslaughter. I didn't think the acquittals were unreasonable.
 
A lot of the grandmother's statements were backed up by investigators familiar with the family. It was a fact Cathy had been convicted previously of pulling a gun on Collin's father in the presence of Collin. Both Collin and also Cathy's older child had, in the past, been removed from Cathy's custody by DCF. Cathy did own firearms.
Where does the Justice warrior stop?
How many people have to die before his amends his crappy childhood?

Also I love your post .Your awesome.
 
They already had the info that he'd killed someone previously and the details that he'd shot the person twice. And the jury wasn't sequestered, which means AT LEAST one or two of them either googled or heard something.

The info about killing his father was not allowed to be brought forth with the jury. The request was denied.

Im not aware of the jury knowing that he had previously killed somebody. I didn’t watch the entire trial but even if they knew that he had killed somebody, killing his other parent would be eye opening. It shows that he had little regard for his parents and that he wanted to eliminate them.

If he was fine with killing one parent, killing the other wasn’t a big deal to him. Easy Peasy for his psyche.

Moo
 
I haven't followed all the details of this case. I see now he has been found not guilty.

At one point I was wondering was she so adamant about getting him home because she feared he would harm her mother. Or was it more, I am the parent, you will do what I say?

Seeing that there was a history of weapons displayed, does anyone think it's possible Cathy killed the dad and Colin took the blame?

This family has such a dynamic, violent relationship. If I were grandma I don't know that I would be okay with him out, walking the streets.
 
Im not aware of the jury knowing that he had previously killed somebody.
I watched the trial in it's entirety and yeah, the jury had the info that Collin had killed in the past and that the homicide was committed by shooting. The only info they were given about the outcome of that case was that Collin was not charged. The jury wasn't told the relationship between Collin and the previous victim. The jury wasn't sequestered.
 
You will never convince me that the same child was forced to kill both parents in self defense. The odds are just beyond belief. Add to that his serious lack of emotion or care about any of it......he will kill again. I would bet money on it.
 
You will never convince me that the same child was forced to kill both parents in self defense. The odds are just beyond belief. Add to that his serious lack of emotion or care about any of it......he will kill again. I would bet money on it.
Bbm.
Likewise. :(
I am very uneasy imagining him out in society at all.
Fearful for those around him.
Imo.
 
 
I think it is insanity that this kid has murdered 2 parents ,and he about to out here with the rest of us!
I am scared.
This is just one messed up kid . He is not the only one.
I can think of only one reason why no jurors have given anonymous comment: LE has asked them not to, while they work on filing charges for the first parent's death.
Let us hope so!
 

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