FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[s_finch]

Actually that isn't true.. to bug spray a roach infested house will do nothing.
Now if its an apt or condo they will just go to another non sprayed apt.
A house?? You have to tent. Unless you use a preventative plan before they ever come to your house.
The only thing that can be done with an infestation is to tent.

You probably have a point. Thankfully I've never lived with severe infestation, only the occassional nocturnal appearance of the little boogers. So spraying, especially under the house and around the exterior foundation, works for us.

 

[GlitchWizard]

You probably have a point. Thankfully I've never lived with severe infestation, only the occassional nocturnal appearance of the little boogers. So spraying, especially under the house and around the exterior foundation, works for us.

I made a deal with my roaches. They don't come out during the day, and I don't get up during the night. :crazy:

 

[j2mirish]

:laugh: :laugh:

I made a deal with my roaches. They don't come out during the day, and I don't get up during the night. :crazy:

Are they keeping up with the bargaining?

 

[GlitchWizard]

:laugh: :laugh:


Are they keeping up with the bargaining?

Yes. I've been getting up early, though, and breaking my end of the deal.

 

[Masissy]

I made a deal with my roaches. They don't come out during the day, and I don't get up during the night. :crazy:

You are so funny!!!:blowkiss:

 

[packerdog]

Good point, hoppyfrog! Everything is referring to the mom only----Dad lived there too. The mom and dad are equally responsible for the condition of the house.

ETA: Regardless, if it IS true that their house was this bad,(we only know what has come out via the media & they sure do like to spin) it is no way points to their guilt, IMO. Not even remotely---they are two completely different issues. I can't imagine the pain this family is going through right now with dealing with their little girls death, let alone the embarassment of media reports of their filthy house. I would hope some neighbors/friends/family are stepping up to the plate in helping them get the house in order so they can get their kids back soon. I know I would---as monumental of a task it may have seemed to them before, it can only be compounded in dealing with the grief and sorrow of their little girls death. Hopefully someone will extend a caring hand & show of humanity towards them...

I don't think people like this get embarassed. This isn't a recent thing, they have had a filthy house in the past and were told to clean it up. They apparently didn't care who saw it. How in the world could these children have a friend come over? These parents have a skrew loose to live in such filth.

 

[2luvmy]

I don't think people like this get embarassed. This isn't a recent thing, they have had a filthy house in the past and were told to clean it up. They apparently didn't care who saw it. How in the world could these children have a friend come over? These parents have a skrew loose to live in such filth.

My neighbors have a pretty messy home. No one is allowed in and all their entertaining they do is either outside or away from home.

 

[nanandjim]

My neighbors have a pretty messy home. No one is allowed in and all their entertaining they do is either outside or away from home.

This house was beyond "messy." It should have been condemned as uninhabitable, poop and all.

 

[Amraann]

I live in a 25 year old mobile home under a bunch of trees. I can't tent or use bug sprays because I rescue animals and can't have any sort of chemicals in the house. So... we are as clean as possible and squash anything that comes in the house, also I have boric acid tablets where none of my lovely critters can reach them.


HOWEVER, a roach "fell" from my ceiling today while I was in the shower and I screeched - but moments later, I thought "Man, some of those folks on websleuths are going to figure me for a daughter killer." :-D

Are you talking about a roach or a palmetto bug?

Since you mention tree's I am guessing your referring to a palmetto bug.
(Large about 2 inches long)
These come in usually after a heavy rain and cannot infest your home.
I think what people are referring to when they say the house was infested is German roaches which are less then an inch long and actually permiate the walls and every nook and cranny they can find.

Your mistaken in that you cannot tent. It would require you and the animals leave the house for 2 days and all food be covered. Once you return the chemicals won't harm the animals.

 

[bakerprune64]

Are you talking about a roach or a palmetto bug?

Since you mention tree's I am guessing your referring to a palmetto bug.
(Large about 2 inches long)
These come in usually after a heavy rain and cannot infest your home.
I think what people are referring to when they say the house was infested is German roaches which are less then an inch long and actually permiate the walls and every nook and cranny they can find.

Your mistaken in that you cannot tent. It would require you and the animals leave the house for 2 days and all food be covered. Once you return the chemicals won't harm the animals.

Pesticides are only harmful to humans and animals while they are still wet. Once dry, you and your pets are fine. I attended a training for Ortho chemicals when I ran a garden center at a home improvement center and that's what the professionals told us.

 

[BhamMama]

Are you talking about a roach or a palmetto bug?

Since you mention tree's I am guessing your referring to a palmetto bug.
(Large about 2 inches long)
These come in usually after a heavy rain and cannot infest your home.
I think what people are referring to when they say the house was infested is German roaches which are less then an inch long and actually permiate the walls and every nook and cranny they can find.

Your mistaken in that you cannot tent. It would require you and the animals leave the house for 2 days and all food be covered. Once you return the chemicals won't harm the animals.

Actually palmetto bugs can infest. Esp if you live in a wood siding home. We had to tent for them last year. We had so much rain that it forced them to take up nesting in our outside walls. It was icky, gross and scary. After tenting we had to have limbs and such cut back from close contact to our home. Most expensive treatment we've ever had to do and that's including the termite control we have to pay for.

But I agree that tenting is the only way to make sure you get rid of any critters, between that and monthly visits from Cooks Pet Control, bugs don't seem to bother us even if our neighbors are slobs and nasty. The palmettos were from nature not neighbors or our habits.

How long does it take before having an occasional bug becomes an infestation? I'm thinking not long since they breed so fast. Is there any merit to the studies that say they are becoming immune to the pest control poisions? Can you control an infestation with just bug sprays and that powder stuff?

 

[Amraann]

Actually palmetto bugs can infest. Esp if you live in a wood siding home. We had to tent for them last year. We had so much rain that it forced them to take up nesting in our outside walls. It was icky, gross and scary. After tenting we had to have limbs and such cut back from close contact to our home. Most expensive treatment we've ever had to do and that's including the termite control we have to pay for.

But I agree that tenting is the only way to make sure you get rid of any critters, between that and monthly visits from Cooks Pet Control, bugs don't seem to bother us even if our neighbors are slobs and nasty. The palmettos were from nature not neighbors or our habits.

How long does it take before having an occasional bug becomes an infestation? I'm thinking not long since they breed so fast. Is there any merit to the studies that say they are becoming immune to the pest control poisions? Can you control an infestation with just bug sprays and that powder stuff?

You can prevent an infestation with bug sprays and powder stuff but you cannot control one.

I apologize .. You are correct .. I just looked it up. I have never heard of Palmetto bugs infesting a house before.
We keep our tree's trimmed away from the house and spray the perimiter and around the inside of the cabinets where the water lines come in.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I know this is rather disgusting and has nothing to do with the murder itself, but I found some interesting links about "roaches". Yick. :chicken:

The English word cockroach is derived from the Spanish cucaracha, meaning "chafer, beetle".

Among the most well-known species are the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana, which is about 3 cm long, and the German cockroach, Blattella germanica, about 1½ cm long, and the Asian cockroach, Blattella asahinai, also about 1½ cm in length. Tropical cockroaches are often much bigger, and extinct cockroach relatives such as the Carboniferous Archimylacris and the Permian Apthoroblattina were several times as large as these. When infesting buildings, cockroaches are considered pests; out of the thousands of species, however, only a handful fall into this designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockroach

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Also from the wikipedia link I posted:

"Cockroaches are mainly nocturnal and will run away when exposed to light. A peculiar exception is the Oriental cockroach, which is attracted to light, thus making it a far more annoying pest. Cockroaches are sometimes called the custodians of nature. They live only in houses where there are crumbs to eat or the garbage can is uncovered. They lay eggs inside the house's hollow walls.
The cockroach is also one of the hardiest insects on the planet, capable of living for a month without food and remaining alive headless for up to a week. It can also hold its breath for 45 minutes and has the ability to slow down its heart rate."

 

[bakerprune64]

Also from the wikipedia link I posted:

"Cockroaches are mainly nocturnal and will run away when exposed to light. A peculiar exception is the Oriental cockroach, which is attracted to light, thus making it a far more annoying pest. Cockroaches are sometimes called the custodians of nature. They live only in houses where there are crumbs to eat or the garbage can is uncovered. They lay eggs inside the house's hollow walls.
The cockroach is also one of the hardiest insects on the planet, capable of living for a month without food and remaining alive headless for up to a week. It can also hold its breath for 45 minutes and has the ability to slow down its heart rate."

Well then I guess their house certainly met the criteria.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

And from another site:


Cockroaches often are a health threat.

In general, the habits and high reproductive rate of pest cockroaches can lead to large populations which spread disease organisms, contaminate and eat our food, and cause allergies and even asthma.

Cockroaches have been reported to spread at least 33 kinds of bacteria, six kinds of parasitic worms, and at least seven other kinds of human pathogens. They can pick up germs on the spines of their legs and bodies as they crawl through decaying matter or sewage and then carry these into food or onto food surfaces. Germs that cockroaches eat from decaying matter or sewage are protected while in their bodies and may remain infective for several weeks longer than if they had been exposed to cleaning agents, rinse water, or just sunlight and air.

Good sanitation and habitat reduction, along with vacuuming, surveillance, a baiting program, and some sealing of cracks can usually quickly reduce or eliminate a cockroach population. A trained, certified Pest Management Professional (PMP) has the knowledge and tools to evaluate the situation, guide and advise on sanitation improvements, and accomplish the remaining steps.

Recent medical studies have shown that cockroach allergens cause lots of allergic reactions in inner city children. They were even shown to cause asthma in children. These allergens build up in deposits of droppings, secretions, cast skins, and dead bodies of roaches.

Adequate control of cockroaches is needed in such settings to help prevent the build-up of dangerous concentrations of their allergens. Where large cockroach populations are already well established, and in older buildings, or in buildings which allow roaches to easily move between rooms or apartments, very good sanitation by one occupant will not solve the problem. In those cases, the help of a trained, experienced, licensed pest management professional will probably be needed to reduce the problem, and effectively work toward eliminating the roaches.

http://www.pestworld.org/Database/Article.asp?ArticleID=16&UserType=Consumers

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Well then I guess their house certainly met the criteria.

Whose wouldn't? Occasionally, crumbs can be found all over my house, with kids coming over and our dogs. We have no roaches though.

 

[Mira]

we moved into a house that was infested so bad that turning on a light made the whole room appear to walk off.

combat kills em, they cannot get immune, and we havent had roaches for years. we started using it almost as soon as it was invented. maybe 15 years or more. it works in an amazing and disgusting way LOL but who cares if it does the job. the first time we used it we put out 10 boxes all over a big farmhouse. we swept and vacuumed up dead roaches for about a week, and then had no more roaches. now we buy one box about once a year, even though we havent seen any.

having a clean house, which we do, doesnt stop them. they will eat anything, including the covering on speaker wire and books.

we do get an occasional palmetto bug (we call em wood roaches) as we live in the woods. the dogs find them to be crunchy and good even without ketchup. i hates em anyway, but sometimes there is a price to pay for country living.

 

[packerdog]

Does anybody know if the owned the house or rented it? I find it hard to believe that it would past inspection for a sale. If they rented it and the roaches were there when they moved in they could have witheld rent until the problem was solved or they had a right to get out of their lease. Nobody has to live with these bugs. If someone has a termite problem, an easy fix until the Orkin guy comes is to spray where they are entering with WD40. It will stop them immediately. We have a good friend that is in the business.

 

[RiverRat]

How sad of a legacy attached to the memories of this baby........anyhows, here is another report from her funeral that won't help anyone feel better.....

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/NEWS01/609260377/1075

Coralrose's mother, Ellen Fullwood, clutched her mouth periodically as if to keep the sobs from escaping.

"We called her Rosie," she said. "She had a red tint to her hair, and the name fit her personality. She was always happy, even when she was getting yelled at. She did what she wanted to do. She was just a joy. She was truly an angel here on Earth, and she went home."

:doh:
I have never heard a reference made about yelling at a child during a child's funeral. It's probably just me again....