FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[Morag]

'Arend said Fullwood had "numerous" files on his computer downloaded on Aug. 24 and deleted on Sept. 15 and 16.'

It seems odd that the father deleted the files in the 36-48 hours before little Coralrose was killed. It makes me wonder if she was perhaps injured sometime in the after-school hours of Friday, and died later in the weekend. To my knowledge, there have been no descriptions of the injuries she suffered which caused her death...Does anyone know when she was last seen--other than at 2AM Sunday?

 

[gardenmom]

'Arend said Fullwood had "numerous" files on his computer downloaded on Aug. 24 and deleted on Sept. 15 and 16.'

It seems odd that the father deleted the files in the 36-48 hours before little Coralrose was killed. It makes me wonder if she was perhaps injured sometime in the after-school hours of Friday, and died later in the weekend. To my knowledge, there have been no descriptions of the injuries she suffered which caused her death...Does anyone know when she was last seen--other than at 2AM Sunday?

That is a very good question. Who was the last to see her besides her dad?

 

[gardenmom]

SARASOTA -- Tebrugge also said Fullwood's bond is "inappropriate." He said under the Sarasota County Judicial Circuit bond schedule, bond on these types of charges should by typically set at $1,000 for each count, so he believed it should only be $2,000. However, Bennett decided to set Fullwood's bond at $25,000 per count.

Tebrugge said Fullwood is being charged with two counts of obscene material possession -- possessing a photograph of sexual performance by a child.

He said if Fullwood was charged with using a child or promoting the use of a child in a sexual performance, then the bond amount would be up to the judge.

Tebrugge said Fullwood had extensively cooperated with law enforcement. Tebrugge also said he spoke with the attorney handling Fullwood's custody battle, John Coleman from Fort Myers. The four Fullwood siblings, who range in age from 4 to 12, are in temporary custody of their grandparents, Saul and Doreen VanderWoude of Fort Myers, following a judge's decision.

"He said Fullwood has made himself completely available for any law enforcement request," Tebrugge said. "At the time of his arrest, Mr. Fullwood was employed, he has his family, he has his residence in North Port, and has no significant history of prior criminal conduct."

Tebrugge said in this type of case, a person is usually released on his own recognizance, or freed under a supervised release status.

http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/101806/tp3ch8.htm?date=101806&story=tp3ch8.htm

But how many people who are charged with also have a murdered daughter?! :banghead:

 

[txsvicki]

It wouldn't suprise me if Fullwood was trying to groom Coral Rose into making some of those videos for himself to sell and apparently this Attorney General has some sense:

"Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez gave a courageous, disturbing speech to
the Center for Missing and Exploited Children on April 20, 2006. In it, he
details how pedophiles have turned community psychology on its head. (I
wonder if he knew about Rep. Mark Foley.)

Mr. Gonzalez said, "Before the Internet, these pedophiles were isolated,
unwelcome even in most adult book stores. Through the Internet, they have
found a community. Offenders can bond with each other, and the Internet
acts as a tool for legitimizing and validating their behavior in their
minds. It emboldens them.

"And this is where the Internet's vicious cycle leads the trends that I
mentioned above. The pedophiles seek to build larger collections of
photographs and videos as a license into their community. As they become
desensitized to the images they have, they seek more graphic, more
heinous, and more disturbing material.

"At some point, the pedophiles meet strong incentives, not just to collect
images, but to produce new ones themselves. Part of it is the desire to
see novel and more graphic images with younger and younger children. And
today's technology makes it easier and less costly for anyone to produce
these images and distribute them widely.

"The other incentive is that trading rules in parts of this community
require that participants offer new pornographic images in order to get
images from fellow users. Images of sexual abuse of children becomes
something of a currency, a way to get more pictures. Collectors become
producers, and to be in the club, they have to find a child to abuse. And
they are driven by the desire for increasingly graphic images.

"And so the Internet just feeds a vicious cycle. It makes child
more accessible and validates the pedophile's behavior in
their minds, driving them to molest even more children and to make new and
increasingly vulgar material."

 

[Taximom]

I can't help but think of David Westerfield (Danielle Van Dam) when I hear about these despicable videos involving children.:sick:

Dale Fullwood better not ever have access to his or any children again. I hope his wife isn't one of those "stand by your man" types.:furious:

 

[2luvmy]

Can it be determined when these photos were downloaded and then in turn deleted?

I just can't believe on would accidentally stumble across child online. When the internet first got big and my girlfriend was the first one of us to get a computer, she had several of us over to check out the net. Of course we got silly and were trying to check out everything we could think of to look at on the net and even in searching for fun pictures of men, we never came across anything horribly stunning or jaw dropping nor did we come close to finding anything that looked remotely illegal. Guess we weren't that good at searching - not that we wanted to be.

 

[Taximom]

I didn't realize until the Westerfield case what "downloading" meant. It is a totally intentional act as far as I know. In the beginning of my internet experiences I opened all kinds of emails (duh) and clicked on links (whoa) that I never would have purposely gone to. I think it takes more than just an innocent "click" to actually download a child video.

One of the articles mentioned that the kids had access to a computer, so I'm really hoping that they never viewed anything horrible.

 

[gardenmom]

I didn't realize until the Westerfield case what "downloading" meant. It is a totally intentional act as far as I know. In the beginning of my internet experiences I opened all kinds of emails (duh) and clicked on links (whoa) that I never would have purposely gone to. I think it takes more than just an innocent "click" to actually download a child video.

One of the articles mentioned that the kids had access to a computer, so I'm really hoping that they never viewed anything horrible.

Let's just hope that unlike Westerfield, he doesn't try to blame it on his older son.

 

[Sheromom]

Can it be determined when these photos were downloaded and then in turn deleted?

I just can't believe on would accidentally stumble across child online. When the internet first got big and my girlfriend was the first one of us to get a computer, she had several of us over to check out the net. Of course we got silly and were trying to check out everything we could think of to look at on the net and even in searching for fun pictures of men, we never came across anything horribly stunning or jaw dropping nor did we come close to finding anything that looked remotely illegal. Guess we weren't that good at searching - not that we wanted to be.

LOL; I typed in "Dancing Baby" one time and was stunned by the search; they definitely weren't the "baby" I was searching for!!!

I really had hoped this would be a stranger situation but, the more I read, the more certain I am that the father probably killed her. He's one sick person, for sure!

 

[txsvicki]

If Fullwood wasn't interested in child and seeing children raped and brutalized, then it looks like he would have deleted these files if someone tricked him or he accidentally downloaded. I don't see how that could be an accident though. The person who sent it to him must have been fairly sure that it was safe since there are internet communities of these freaks who trade images of child rapes. Fullwood could even have went to the police with them. I wonder why the police never release the faces of the men who are molesting these children on internet videos so that people can watch out for them and turn them in if seen.

 

[nanandjim]

LOL; I typed in "Dancing Baby" one time and was stunned by the search; they definitely weren't the "baby" I was searching for!!!...

My husband was once looking for Dick's Sporting Goods. You can see where this is going. He typed in "Dicks." OMG! It took him quite a bit of time to get out of the popups of ...well, you can guess... :blushing:

In any case, I think that the little girl could have been molested by the father or the father could have been forcing her into performing a sexual act on him. Perhaps, this one night (the night that he says that he checked on her when he got home from work) she fought back or refused; and he killed her.

ETA: This guy did not have child on his computer by accident. He is a sick individual who apparently enjoys this kind of behavior. Therefore, I would highly suspect him of molesting children, to include his own, given the opportunity.

 

[teedie2]

LOL; I typed in "Dancing Baby" one time and was stunned by the search; they definitely weren't the "baby" I was searching for!!!

I really had hoped this would be a stranger situation but, the more I read, the more certain I am that the father probably killed her. He's one sick person, for sure!

The "real" dancing baby is just darling!

Once I looked up "(my state) models," thinking that I would see some pictures of what I think of as models, pretty ladies and some very nice clothes, Miss America types, but what I got was a website with pictures of some real skanks! That was the end of my innocence on the internet, and the beginning of real caution.. like "Be careful what you ask for" .... really true when you ask Google!

Re Coralroses dad ... I was suspicious of him from the beginning ... as soon as it was reported that his wallet was missing, in addition to his little girl. If someone were stealing a child, I really don't think they would have time to pick up a wallet -- said wallet would have been in the parents' bedroom, wouldn't it? Normally? That sounded (and smelled) like a red herring to me!

Good for the judge, keeping him locked up.

 

[Details]

I do see the son's point - viewing - even child - doesn't mean you are yet willing to abuse a child yourself yet. Divorcing him seems appropriate, charging him with the crime -definitely - but it's not enough yet for me to think he killed his daughter. Maybe more so if she were sexually molested - but apparently she wasn't.


For the father's wallet being stolen, I wonder if that was the original intended crime - to break in to steal, and happens to run into the little girl, kills her (maybe accidentally), and dumps her where she was finally found.


IMHO, this is still falling in the region of just bad luck - one of the many (unfortunately true) men who have downloaded and looked at child happens to have his own child killed; people with a dirty house and maybe some misplaced priorities have their daughter go missing at one of the dirtiest times in the house (mom's back is out, work and kids have been keeping her unusually busy, father's work has been very constant as well, autistic kids have made some of their routine messes, and they haven't yet been cleaned up). But they've got a tough life there, and I can give a ton of leeway to that. Trying to tent with kids around - where do you go for a few days,and how much of your precious or nearly nonexistient spare time does it take to prepare for that? Also - are they having to spend their money on special supplies for special kids? Anything from classes to adult diapers?

 

[concernedperson]

I do see the son's point - viewing - even child - doesn't mean you are yet willing to abuse a child yourself yet. Divorcing him seems appropriate, charging him with the crime -definitely - but it's not enough yet for me to think he killed his daughter. Maybe more so if she were sexually molested - but apparently she wasn't.


For the father's wallet being stolen, I wonder if that was the original intended crime - to break in to steal, and happens to run into the little girl, kills her (maybe accidentally), and dumps her where she was finally found.


IMHO, this is still falling in the region of just bad luck - one of the many (unfortunately true) men who have downloaded and looked at child happens to have his own child killed; people with a dirty house and maybe some misplaced priorities have their daughter go missing at one of the dirtiest times in the house (mom's back is out, work and kids have been keeping her unusually busy, father's work has been very constant as well, autistic kids have made some of their routine messes, and they haven't yet been cleaned up). But they've got a tough life there, and I can give a ton of leeway to that. Trying to tent with kids around - where do you go for a few days,and how much of your precious or nearly nonexistient spare time does it take to prepare for that? Also - are they having to spend their money on special supplies for special kids? Anything from classes to adult diapers?

But don't you think that child is especially different for an adult to view?Vs. a playboy fantasy magazine. Isn't that especially abhorent? It is to me.I don't understand any adult's fascination with manipulation or control or sexual abuse of a child.If he had time to view then his sorry butt had time to clean up his digs.

Yes, we all have difficulties and some of them are most trying but really. Child ?

And I am suppose to worry about his wallet? I don't think so. This guy, no matter how much someone comes to his defense is on my radar.

We have got to find a way to protect children first. Coral Rose never got that chance and I don't think giving absolution to someone who even considers looking at child a free pass.Look at Couey. Look at Duncan.

Sorry for the rant but sometimes the billboard is clear.Children come first.

 

[Details]

But don't you think that child is especially different for an adult to view?Vs. a playboy fantasy magazine. Isn't that especially abhorent? It is to me.I don't understand any adult's fascination with manipulation or control or sexual abuse of a child.If he had time to view then his sorry butt had time to clean up his digs.

Yes, we all have difficulties and some of them are most trying but really. Child ?

Of course - as I said, criminal charges, divorce - but there still is a difference, even a fairly substantial one, between someone looking at child , and someone raping a child. Just because he's looked at child , downloaded it - doesn't prove or even get near beyond reasonable doubt that he had something to do with his daughter's killing.

And I am suppose to worry about his wallet? I don't think so. This guy, no matter how much someone comes to his defense is on my radar.

Not to worry about his wallet - to consider the fact that it is missing as part of the evidence that may lead to understanding what happened, and finding the killer.

We have got to find a way to protect children first. Coral Rose never got that chance and I don't think giving absolution to someone who even considers looking at child a free pass.Look at Couey. Look at Duncan.

Sorry for the rant but sometimes the billboard is clear.Children come first.

Absolution? A free pass? Whose post are you responding to??? Yeesh!








I'm not concerned with what other transgressions or crimes or whatever the parents may have committed - I want to look for the truth of who killed Coral. Whoever that is is far worse than someone who only keeps a filthy house or even than someone who looks at child . It could be the parents, but so far, I'm not getting that as proven sufficiently for me. So far, they've got some real problems (although also under quite some pressure), but I'm not seeing them as killers to even 50% certainty yet, and if they're innocent, this is a horrible time for them.

The house is messy - but they've been checked on several times and not found neglectful - and the idea that this one morning was one of the worst, along with the fact that autistic children can cause some of that mess quite quickly - all that seems quite plausible - and now the time has gotten even worse for them.

The father has downloaded child - and there's no excuse for that - nor has he offered any. He's admitted it is his, that he did it. But his child was abducted and killed, and shows no signs of sexual molestation. And in the line of vile crimes, killing a child is more vile than watching a video of one being raped - as much as both are vile, one is still worse. The son, who deserves none of this, has defended his dad just by saying that viewing child isn't as bad as actually raping a child - I think he's right there - and that it doesn't indicate his dad killed his sister - another thing I agree with.

And on the other side - they've got a houseful of kids, with some pretty serious problems, are working multiple jobs and working all hours to keep their family going - and the kids seem to be doing just fine. That's quite an accomplishment, and some very good work.

 

[txsvicki]

To me, yes, raping an infant or toddler is as bad as killing a child and anyone who looks and enjoys looking at that crime is a criminal who is capable of anything and would be much more likely than decent people to kill a child. When a child rape enthusiast is in a house and a little child comes up dead, then I would be looking at that person first just as the police did. You don't necessarily have to rape and cause physical damage to a child to be molesting or trying to film child to spread around to others. I thought that the son who defended the dad was a grown child and not one of the autistic boys who lived at home. If an autistic child is awake and alert and able to talk clearly enough to understand and explain what is going on all night long, then he might be capable of not spreading feces, cleaning up a little bit, and not contributing to such a filthy mess. Of course, no children are really capable of keeping control of a house where animals are pooping, roaches crawling, food is being left out to rot, make the beds, manage laundry that is piled so high that an adult male can barely get over it, and clean a mess where even a judge who has probably seen it all was apalled.

 

[Details]

To me, yes, raping an infant or toddler is as bad as killing a child

Someone tell me why I'm still posting here? Obviously they're not being read! "And in the line of vile crimes, killing a child is more vile than watching a video of one being raped - as much as both are vile, one is still worse. The son, who deserves none of this, has defended his dad just by saying that viewing child isn't as bad as actually raping a child - I think he's right there" - OK, just to check my own sanity - where in this do I say that raping a child is not so bad as killing one? I'm a programmer, and I really do think in logical terms, so when I say that A < B, and C < D - that in no way means that A < C!

... and anyone who looks and enjoys looking at that crime is a criminal who is capable of anything and would be much more likely than decent people to kill a child.

Again something I didn't say. In fact, I said he was a criminal. But it doesn't indicate he killed her. It increases the odds - but not high enough to be positive, nor beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it (IMHO).

When a child rape enthusiast is in a house and a little child comes up dead, then I would be looking at that person first just as the police did. You don't necessarily have to rape and cause physical damage to a child to be molesting or trying to film child to spread around to others. I thought that the son who defended the dad was a grown child and not one of the autistic boys who lived at home. If an autistic child is awake and alert and able to talk clearly enough to understand and explain what is going on all night long, then he might be capable of not spreading feces, cleaning up a little bit, and not contributing to such a filthy mess. Of course, no children are really capable of keeping control of a house where animals are pooping, roaches crawling, food is being left out to rot, make the beds, manage laundry that is piled so high that an adult male can barely get over it, and clean a mess where even a judge who has probably seen it all was apalled.

Judges make a point of not getting over being appalled, IMHO - what good would be a judge who would tell someone with these kinds of sanitary problems, "Oh - that's not good - not the worst I've seen - after all, at least there's no mold, and you don't have cat urine!".

The son who was defending - IIRC, he's not all that old. As to what autistic children can and can't do - from what I've read on this thread, you may well be wrong about the question of feces.

The description of the house - I'd want to know a bit more about details. I've had the huge laundry pile from just my clothes - and adding in a full family, autistic children who are not yet potty trained and thus need more changes, and contribute to feces and urine on the floor, two parents with 3 jobs between them - a huge pile of laundry doesn't freak me out at all. That's where mine starts when I'm about to do it. Roaches - can be there to start, or may show up and are hard to get rid of, even in a clean house (and a house with a bunch of autistic kids - I suspect it's pretty near impossible for a stay at home parent to successfully keep them from dropping food). Food being left out to rot - again - is he talking about a huge pile of dishes with rotting meat all over - or just the last two nights dishes that weren't scraped?

Yeah, their house is too messy, they have to do better. But the description as given doesn't necessarily describe a horror house. Given a police officer who is a bit fastidious - these may be isolated areas combined with some understandable issues with autistic kids (hmmm - which they probably haven't had a chance to do the usual morning routines with, such as escorting to the toilet, since they were searching for a missing child).

 

[concernedperson]

Details, when bad things happen to good people especially children I get upset. I in no way was discounting your opinion but rather my own frustration showing through. I admire you and your take on everything.

I also tend to look at where there is smoke there is fire. It comes from many decades of living and seeing patterns. Of course, there is always an exception and for that I am grateful. It makes our take more grey and open to new possibilities. But, I have to go with gut sometimes as it has lead me so far.

So, let's just explore what happened to Coral Rose and seek justice that her life wasn't snuffed away because of someone else's picadillo's.

 

[txsvicki]

Someone tell me why I'm still posting here? Obviously they're not being read! "And in the line of vile crimes, killing a child is more vile than watching a video of one being raped - as much as both are vile, one is still worse. The son, who deserves none of this, has defended his dad just by saying that viewing child isn't as bad as actually raping a child - I think he's right there" - OK, just to check my own sanity - where in this do I say that raping a child is not so bad as killing one? I'm a programmer, and I really do think in logical terms, so when I say that A < B, and C < D - that in no way means that A < C! Again something I didn't say. In fact, I said he was a criminal. But it doesn't indicate he killed her. It increases the odds - but not high enough to be positive, nor beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it (IMHO). Judges make a point of not getting over being appalled, IMHO - what good would be a judge who would tell someone with these kinds of sanitary problems, "Oh - that's not good - not the worst I've seen - after all, at least there's no mold, and you don't have cat urine!".

The son who was defending - IIRC, he's not all that old. As to what autistic children can and can't do - from what I've read on this thread, you may well be wrong about the question of feces.

The description of the house - I'd want to know a bit more about details. I've had the huge laundry pile from just my clothes - and adding in a full family, autistic children who are not yet potty trained and thus need more changes, and contribute to feces and urine on the floor, two parents with 3 jobs between them - a huge pile of laundry doesn't freak me out at all. That's where mine starts when I'm about to do it. Roaches - can be there to start, or may show up and are hard to get rid of, even in a clean house (and a house with a bunch of autistic kids - I suspect it's pretty near impossible for a stay at home parent to successfully keep them from dropping food). Food being left out to rot - again - is he talking about a huge pile of dishes with rotting meat all over - or just the last two nights dishes that weren't scraped?

Yeah, their house is too messy, they have to do better. But the description as given doesn't necessarily describe a horror house. Given a police officer who is a bit fastidious - these may be isolated areas combined with some understandable issues with autistic kids (hmmm - which they probably haven't had a chance to do the usual morning routines with, such as escorting to the toilet, since they were searching for a missing child).

Well, children's services, police, and a judge were all sickened at the sight of that house. I say that is a pretty good bunch of witnesses who aren't being fastidious and could see from much experience that the kids were not being properly attended to, but of course Dale could have spent the time it took to be sexually stimulated by looking at videos of children being raped to clean on that house. I will look for the posts and the link that says that the son who is taking up for Dale is grown and is his stepson. The post shows that a 21 year old son and 17 year old girl were either in college or living with grandparents when Coral Rose went missing and not at home with the family. Also in post 395, you did say that you agreed that it worse to rape a child than to watch the rape on video. I was just saying that to me, they are equal even though not in actual criminal charges. To want to watch child means that the person is sexually stimulated by that act, there's no other reason, and to willingly download and watch is participating in that child's rape and is encouraging the continuing suffering of children. To me, the raping is morally as bad as murder.

 

[txsvicki]

Here is the link from RiverRat's #373 post talking about VanderWoude who is Dale's 21 year old stepson who according to other posts was not with the family the night of the disappearance but was at college. Supposedly, only the other 4 bipolar and autistic kids were home that night and aged 4-12.

http://heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061017/NEWS/610170355