Found Deceased FL - Damion Tillman, Keven Springfield, & Brandon Rollins, massacred, Frostproof, 17 July 2020 #2

[worm]

@Seattle1 , I’m glad the families will get some of that money. I was thinking recently that they should let more go into that fund to help those folks. I’d hate to think of somebody who lost their son in this to be worried about an electric bill or food.

 

[Seattle1]

@Seattle1 , I’m glad the families will get some of that money. I was thinking recently that they should let more go into that fund to help those folks. I’d hate to think of somebody who lost their son in this to be worried about an electric bill or food.

Let it be a reminder that for every evil in the skin killer among us, there are multiples of kind, generous, and decent folks willing to contribute to complete strangers.

Peace and comfort to the community, family, and friends of the victims.

MOO

 

[Al Hoffman]

Possibly, but most people wouldn't put a couple of dollars worth of purchases on a credit card.

Debit card yes... I receive my funds on one, and make all my purchases, large and small on it!

 

[thebedbug]

I agree, we should focus on the positives of the victims and the justice they deserve. Regardless of any flaws, nobody should suffer what they and their families have.

Might it be that we don't necessarily have to focus on the positives, either? Because, when you talk about a person's character... you normally do talk about their positives and negatives... ignore one or ignore the other and you're not getting genuine picture of the individual.

They were the victims of this horrible crime and no matter the combination of good/bad in the victims, it shouldn't change our view of the perpetrators. But... I don't think we have to go through the usual... they were great guys... give you the shirt off their backs... turning their lives around... wonderful parents... whatever.

 

[Clair Louise]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I go to Dollar Tree often, and never use cash. Credit card even for a small purchase. Right now, due to COVID, change is short and many companies are wanting no cash/change. I digress.

Not that it gives insight on whether credit or debit ?... other than most folks who only have debit card which is not ALSO a credit card don't have good enough credit rating to get a credit card. Therefore, they would have to put in PIN number on the reader at purchase using a debit card. (Someone else can review if they think relevant to see if PIN put in after inserting card?)

ETA: I went down the rabbit hole to quickly find as the video is so accessible here on threads. Yes, he did put in a PIN MOO about 1:45 into video after he inserted card, therefore MOO = debit card purchase as you don't need to type in PIN # with credit cards.

Also, noted no one, including clerk, are wearing masks for COVID.

Credit card or debit card?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Credit card or debit card?

Welcome very active new member to Websleuths this week @Clair Louise ! It's a great place to follow cases, and I see that you are interested and contributing to very many here in the last few days.

Not sure of what you are asking in the above. Can you clarify?

Again, welcome new member!

 

[AC's Grandma]

Possibly, but most people wouldn't put a couple of dollars worth of purchases on a credit card.

Because of the national coin shortage everywhere I've been here in this central Florida area are requiring exact change or debit/credit card payment only. This could be why he paid with a card.

 

[branmuffin]

meaning she would lie to police so he doesn’t get in trouble. She’s done it before and she would do it again.

Are LE aware that she lies?

 

[Valiant]

I find it interesting that the dispute over the truck/engine was called a civil matter. This obviously implies there is no clear, legal proof of crime such as X sold vehicle to Y, Y titled the vehicle in their name, and Z came along and took the vehicle or parts.
It's probably much more murky.
Example 1: X sold vehicle to Y. Y is a curbstoner (a person who skirts dealer laws when reselling cars). Y has kept the title in X's name because he doesn't want to deal with the hassles of officially selling cars as a dealer or registering them in his personal name because of the sales tax. Z buys the vehicle on a payment plan but Y keeps the title, still in X's name. Z puts a plate from some other vehicle is on the vehicle so it appears legal to drive. Something happens and the deal goes south (like the vehicle breaks down and Z takes what is of value and leaves the rest).
Example 2: X takes vehicle to shop for repairs and never pays he bill. Eventually (and we have no idea how long the dispute goes on) shop gets the vehicle on a mechanics' lien. Then Y, maybe an employee of the shop, reclaims what is of value before scrapping the vehicle.

 

[Valiant]

Are LE aware that she lies?

I'm betting LE assumes that about everyone they talk to involved in a crime.

 

[cass523]

FROSTPROOF, Fla. (WFLA) — The Polk County Sheriff’s Office arrested the father of the shooting suspect in the Frostproof fishing ‘massacre’ and three others for environmental hazards at the property they all live at.

The sheriff’s office served a search warrant two weeks ago at a parcel of land where they believed triple homicide suspect Tony “TJ” Wiggins lived — a one-acre sized land on Sarver Avenue near Sandollar Street. The search netted the arrests of Wiggins and three others.

Polk County deputies said the land features five structures that are home to triple homicide suspects TJ Wiggins, Robert Wiggins, and Mary Whittemore. On Friday, Polk County Sheriff’s Office Environmental Crimes detectives arrested four others that live on the property.

Tony Wiggins Sr., 58, Robert Keene, 42, Nydia Liboy, 54, and Chyanne Eccleston, 19, were arrested and charged with environmental hazard crimes.

“The property where these suspects live looks like a landfill and has raw sewage all over the ground,” Sheriff Grady Judd said. “It’s not only not fit for humans, I wouldn’t even let a dog live there.”

Deputies said the camper that the suspect(s) live in have septic tanks opened draining onto the ground in a small hole with feces visible at the top of the ground. Deputies said there was an excessive amount of flies swarming around trash, dog feces, and human feces throughout the property.

https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1287758916693233664

Father of Frostproof ‘massacre’ suspect, 3 others arrested at ‘hazardous’ off-the-grid property | WFLA

 

[Talullah]

FROSTPROOF, Fla. (WFLA) — The Polk County Sheriff’s Office arrested the father of the shooting suspect in the Frostproof fishing ‘massacre’ and three others for environmental hazards at the property they all live at.

The sheriff’s office served a search warrant two weeks ago at a parcel of land where they believed triple homicide suspect Tony “TJ” Wiggins lived — a one-acre sized land on Sarver Avenue near Sandollar Street. The search netted the arrests of Wiggins and three others.

Polk County deputies said the land features five structures that are home to triple homicide suspects TJ Wiggins, Robert Wiggins, and Mary Whittemore. On Friday, Polk County Sheriff’s Office Environmental Crimes detectives arrested four others that live on the property.

Tony Wiggins Sr., 58, Robert Keene, 42, Nydia Liboy, 54, and Chyanne Eccleston, 19, were arrested and charged with environmental hazard crimes.

“The property where these suspects live looks like a landfill and has raw sewage all over the ground,” Sheriff Grady Judd said. “It’s not only not fit for humans, I wouldn’t even let a dog live there.”

Deputies said the camper that the suspect(s) live in have septic tanks opened draining onto the ground in a small hole with feces visible at the top of the ground. Deputies said there was an excessive amount of flies swarming around trash, dog feces, and human feces throughout the property.

https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1287758916693233664

Father of Frostproof ‘massacre’ suspect, 3 others arrested at ‘hazardous’ off-the-grid property | WFLA

Jail sounds like a step up for this bunch.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

FROSTPROOF, Fla. (WFLA) — The Polk County Sheriff’s Office arrested the father of the shooting suspect in the Frostproof fishing ‘massacre’ and three others for environmental hazards at the property they all live at.

The sheriff’s office served a search warrant two weeks ago at a parcel of land where they believed triple homicide suspect Tony “TJ” Wiggins lived — a one-acre sized land on Sarver Avenue near Sandollar Street. The search netted the arrests of Wiggins and three others.

Polk County deputies said the land features five structures that are home to triple homicide suspects TJ Wiggins, Robert Wiggins, and Mary Whittemore. On Friday, Polk County Sheriff’s Office Environmental Crimes detectives arrested four others that live on the property.

Tony Wiggins Sr., 58, Robert Keene, 42, Nydia Liboy, 54, and Chyanne Eccleston, 19, were arrested and charged with environmental hazard crimes.

“The property where these suspects live looks like a landfill and has raw sewage all over the ground,” Sheriff Grady Judd said. “It’s not only not fit for humans, I wouldn’t even let a dog live there.”

Deputies said the camper that the suspect(s) live in have septic tanks opened draining onto the ground in a small hole with feces visible at the top of the ground. Deputies said there was an excessive amount of flies swarming around trash, dog feces, and human feces throughout the property.

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https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1287758916693233664

Father of Frostproof ‘massacre’ suspect, 3 others arrested at ‘hazardous’ off-the-grid property | WFLA

What a lovely bunch <modsnip> Moo.

 

[Hannah3105]

It looks like either 1 or 2 will be the property in question, IMO. I think probably 1 based on the state of the grounds.

 

[Truecolors]

I find it interesting that the dispute over the truck/engine was called a civil matter. This obviously implies there is no clear, legal proof of crime such as X sold vehicle to Y, Y titled the vehicle in their name, and Z came along and took the vehicle or parts.
It's probably much more murky.
Example 1: X sold vehicle to Y. Y is a curbstoner (a person who skirts dealer laws when reselling cars). Y has kept the title in X's name because he doesn't want to deal with the hassles of officially selling cars as a dealer or registering them in his personal name because of the sales tax. Z buys the vehicle on a payment plan but Y keeps the title, still in X's name. Z puts a plate from some other vehicle is on the vehicle so it appears legal to drive. Something happens and the deal goes south (like the vehicle breaks down and Z takes what is of value and leaves the rest).
Example 2: X takes vehicle to shop for repairs and never pays he bill. Eventually (and we have no idea how long the dispute goes on) shop gets the vehicle on a mechanics' lien. Then Y, maybe an employee of the shop, reclaims what is of value before scrapping the vehicle.

BBM

My initial speculation was example 2, especially as TJW has had regular run-ins with the law. Truck repair money likely became bail money. And if TJW was in jail, goodness knows how long the alleged truck might have been left.

MOO

 

[branmuffin]

FROSTPROOF, Fla. (WFLA) — The Polk County Sheriff’s Office arrested the father of the shooting suspect in the Frostproof fishing ‘massacre’ and three others for environmental hazards at the property they all live at.

The sheriff’s office served a search warrant two weeks ago at a parcel of land where they believed triple homicide suspect Tony “TJ” Wiggins lived — a one-acre sized land on Sarver Avenue near Sandollar Street. The search netted the arrests of Wiggins and three others.

Polk County deputies said the land features five structures that are home to triple homicide suspects TJ Wiggins, Robert Wiggins, and Mary Whittemore. On Friday, Polk County Sheriff’s Office Environmental Crimes detectives arrested four others that live on the property.

Tony Wiggins Sr., 58, Robert Keene, 42, Nydia Liboy, 54, and Chyanne Eccleston, 19, were arrested and charged with environmental hazard crimes.

“The property where these suspects live looks like a landfill and has raw sewage all over the ground,” Sheriff Grady Judd said. “It’s not only not fit for humans, I wouldn’t even let a dog live there.”

Deputies said the camper that the suspect(s) live in have septic tanks opened draining onto the ground in a small hole with feces visible at the top of the ground. Deputies said there was an excessive amount of flies swarming around trash, dog feces, and human feces throughout the property.

https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1287758916693233664

Father of Frostproof ‘massacre’ suspect, 3 others arrested at ‘hazardous’ off-the-grid property | WFLA

Are there children living on that property?

 

[Ragnarok]

It looks like either 1 or 2 will be the property in question, IMO. I think probably 1 based on the state of the grounds.

1 was my pick.

 

[ShHolmz]

Are there children living on that property?

I hope not, the condition of the properties and dwellings sounds horrific. Prayers for those children.

 

[branmuffin]

He was not convicted.

I believe the charges were withdrawn due to him being deceased.

 

[branmuffin]

Debit card yes... I receive my funds on one, and make all my purchases, large and small on it!

What do you mean by receiving funds? An amount is uploaded onto a card? Like a gift card?