GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU law professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #1 *Arrests*

[scadagirl28]

scadagirl28, I'm gonna totally disagree with you. There is no baby carseat in the front seat. In fact, I am POSITIVE that if there were a baby carseat there, the police would've mentioned it because they have better access to all the car pictures than we do. In addition, a carseat would be another way to identify the vehicle along with the other peculiarities of the Prius. So the police would have every reason to mention it.[/QUOTE
Your posts always seem to have a lot of thought behind them. Why do you think the white object is elevated ?

 

[fasteddy8170]

scadagirl28, I and others on this thread--you may have to go back a ways to find the discussion--have decided that the white object is not an "object" at all. In fact, it's the sun hitting the backseat. If you'll notice regarding the white object, the left side of it is very straight. Well, that's the outline of the side of the passenger's front seat. So, actually, from our vantage point we are looking through the opening between the driver and passenger's seats, and the white "thing" is in the backseat. I think if you go to a Prius website, you'll see the dimensions line up.

Now, it may very well be that "something" is in the backseat. However, given that the picture is blurry and in black and white, I think it's a stretch to decide it's a child seat. It could be a white plastic bag or a laptop or . . . it could very well be nothing but a very bright sun on the cloth seat. It's just hard to say.

 

[fasteddy8170]

http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/132213052-story

What does everybody think? You read the modus operandi for these two and it's not a stretch to match it with what happened to Dan.

 

[Razz]

http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/132213052-story

What does everybody think? You read the modus operandi for these two and it's not a stretch to match it with what happened to Dan.

Hmmmm....I'm not sre about the counties. Are any of them where Tallahassee is located? It sounds like a bit of a stretch. Why shoot Dan unless you'd been caught in the act......but....maybe one of them was a lookout and had no time to warn his/her partner and had no choice but to shoot him. But, if this were the case, wouldn't the house have shown signs of being pilfered? I think it's great you're keeping this in the 4front!

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[colette]

I don't think that those robbers were connected to Dan's murder. Dan's killer followed him up his driveway and killed him in his car. The other killing was inside the home that the pair thought was empty.

 

[Razz]

Oops. I see they're from Ocala. Just a hop skip and a jump to Tallahassee. It will be interesting to see how long they've "been in business".

Also, I'd love to know about the bullet that killed Dan. I don't recall them talking about this.

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[geektreehouse]

That is an interesting article and the daytime burglaries do show some similarities, but I don't think that they could pull off what happened to DM
I just don't believe that people who break in houses will carry a gun with them. The main goal is to not confront anyone and if caught the jail time is
mucho more if packing. A killer was there that day to do his job and did it well. JMO I would love to hear about that bullet too!

 

[scadagirl28]

Amazingly, the Tallahassee Police Dept released an update to the public on their website one day after my previous post. I will link to the page they set up with all the other dumps to date. It doesn't look like a lot of new info, but I am glad they are showing a little life in this case.http://www.talgov.com/tpd/news/4295.aspx

Thank you for the link ! Heavily redacted but still interesting.

 

[Razz]

If you listen to the 911 call, it is extremely frustrating. The bottom line on 911 calls - let the dispatcher know in no uncertain terms that this is an emergency. Also if others are present, they should call too. Numerous calls get attention. (If you listen to Broadcastify, (especially Chicago) they will mention about the # of calls. They also relay to the police about the distress of the caller.



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[dotr]

Posted this article quite a while ago on the Audrey Gleave thread, it concerns a connection between some burglaries and murder and stranger versus some familiarity with perp/s. who commit the crimes.
Snippets of lengthy 2011 article
rbbm...
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article1038503.html#ixzz1B4GW3JNN

Lt. Ken Landwehr said the FBI criteria label a homicide as a "stranger killing" whenever a victim and offender don't know each other.

"Almost all of your robberies are going to be stranger murders," he said. "Those are listed as 'stranger,' but they're cases where people were killed because they were witnesses."

Landwehr said solving a true stranger murder can be much tougher than solving a typical homicide.

"For an actual stranger killing, it's very difficult unless you can get evidence at the crime scene," he said.

Former Sedgwick County Sheriff Gary Steed estimated that he worked on 100 homicide cases over the years, but only a handful involved true stranger killings.

One case that sprang to mind, he said, was the Aug. 30, 1979, murder of North High School teacher Robert Temple and his wife, Letha. They were shot to death in their home at 739 N. 119th St. West.

Steed said the murders occurred as detectives were investigating a string of burglaries in the area.

"Eventually when you start looking at those you say, 'This burglary is similar to that burglary, and that burglary is similar to that burglary.'... We actually solved it (the murder) by working backwards through all the burglary cases."

Two 16-year-olds who were implicated in the burglaries were charged and convicted of the murders.

Steed said it's much easier to solve a case when there is a tie between the victim and killer.

"What you're looking for in a homicide investigation is a connection and a motive," he said. "There's usually some history — some anger or bad blood.

"When it's totally random, there's just very little evidence to lead you to the suspect."

Even in stranger murder cases, suspects often unwittingly implicate themselves.

"One of the things that often helps in a homicide investigation is that we deal with people, and people like to talk," he said. "And other people will tell on them.

"If it's a totally random stranger homicide where a person doesn't talk, it can be pretty difficult to solve."

"If it's somebody local, we'll catch him. If it's somebody from out of town, we'll probably never know who it is."

 

[fasteddy8170]

A reminder on how hard these types of cases are to solve. This article was written in 2011. The case is still unsolved in 2016--22 years later.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/ci_17667763

 

[dotr]

Maybe the Prius was stolen and returned, the owner no wiser, and /or the parts sold off after the murder? imo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/style/keeping-your-car-safe-from-electronic-thieves.html?_r=0

Last week, I started keeping my car keys in the freezer, and I may be at the forefront of a new digital safety trend.

Let me explain: In recent months, there has been a slew of mysterious car break-ins in my Los Feliz neighborhood in Los Angeles. What’s odd is that there have been no signs of forced entry. There are no pools of broken glass on the pavement and no scratches on the doors from jimmied locks.

But these break-ins seem to happen only to cars that use remote keyless systems, which replace traditional keys with wireless fobs. It happened to our neighbor Heidi, who lives up the hill and has a Mazda 3. It happened to Simon, who lives across the street from me and has a Toyota Prius.

And it happened to our Prius, not once, but three times in the last month.

I finally found out that I wasn’t crazy in, of all places, Canada.

The Toronto Police Service issued a news release last Thursday warning that thieves “may have access to electronic devices which can compromise” a vehicle’s security system. But the police did not specify what that “device” actually was.

Thieves have been breaking into and stealing cars with the help of electronic gadgets for several years now. Jalopnik, the car blog, has written about a “secret device”used to unlock cars. And dozens of other websites have told stories about burglars hacking into cars. As these reports illustrate, and videos online show, in some instances thieves are able to drive away with the cars without needing a key.

Short video, shows the insides of Prius.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/daring-thieves-targeting-the-toyota-prius-for-its-119357625667.html
Daring Thieves Targeting the Toyota Prius For Its Hybrid Battery

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...cocaine-prius-brooklyn-cops-article-1.2199944
Cops bust 4 dealers accused of selling cocaine out of a Prius in posh Brooklyn neighborhoods
April 26, 2015,

Four dealers made eco-friendly coke deliveries in a Toyota Prius in Brooklyn, officials say.

 

[fasteddy8170]

I saw this case on Solved this morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Brian_Stidham

I think it illustrates why the "hit man" theory in regards to Dan's case is such a dicey one. You'll notice how quickly the shooter and the planner got caught. And this was a shooting that was planned out. I think it also caught my attention because it took place among the "educated" part of our society. A Dr. wanting another Dr. dead. In Dan's case, a lawyer being murdered, with the suspicion that his lawyer ex wife had something to do with it.

We have to remember that most people are amateurs when it comes to killing someone else. Even in this Stidham case, the shooter was a career criminal. Still, that made no difference--he got caught.

When bringing another person into a crime, the variables don't double. They actually go up exponentially. Thus, the chances of getting caught go up exponentially. In other words, there's a reason there aren't many "tag team" serial killers in history.

This is the exact reason I continue to believe Dan's murder was a solo effort. If this had been a conspiracy against Dan by someone close to him, the police would've figured it out by now just like they did in the Stidham case.

 

[Razz]

I saw this case on Solved this morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Brian_Stidham

I think it illustrates why the "hit man" theory in regards to Dan's case is such a dicey one. You'll notice how quickly the shooter and the planner got caught. And this was a shooting that was planned out. I think it also caught my attention because it took place among the "educated" part of our society. A Dr. wanting another Dr. dead. In Dan's case, a lawyer being murdered, with the suspicion that his lawyer ex wife had something to do with it.

We have to remember that most people are amateurs when it comes to killing someone else. Even in this Stidham case, the shooter was a career criminal. Still, that made no difference--he got caught.

When bringing another person into a crime, the variables don't double. They actually go up exponentially. Thus, the chances of getting caught go up exponentially. In other words, there's a reason there aren't many "tag team" serial killers in history.

This is the exact reason I continue to believe Dan's murder was a solo effort. If this had been a conspiracy against Dan by someone close to him, the police would've figured it out by now just like they did in the Stidham case.

Well, I think we can agree that Schwartz was a complete idiot. How he was able to get his medical license reinstated so soon after his arrest, is mind boggling. He would have been
on LE'S radar (and everyone else's for that matter) immediately! That had to have been an immediate slam dunk even had he done the deed himself.

So, did Dan have someone in his life like that? One of his obvious struggles was the custody of his children and pending divorce with his wife.

What is your theory on this FastEddy? I like the hit man theory. He/she got the job done with no obvious tracks left. His/her job was to kill, leave with no trail and never speak of it again. Who other than a professional could do that?

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[colette]

I like the "hitman" theory. There could have been any number of people hiring a hitman too. Hypothetically if a boyfriend wanted his girlfriend to move with him but she couldn't due to child custody issues, the boyfriend could hire the hit. Or say a parent didn't like to see the daughter unhappy could take measures to get the 'problem person' taken care of.

 

[Razz]

A reminder on how hard these types of cases are to solve. This article was written in 2011. The case is still unsolved in 2016--22 years later.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/ci_17667763

My first and only reaction to this was: Someone's girlfriend either knew the victim or there had been some previous "altercation"
between the perp and the victim or the perp's belief that the victim was into his girlfriend and the girlfriend was into him. It may very well have been there was absolutely nothing between the perp's girlfriend and the victim but the insecure and insanely jealous perp saw it otherwise and in a controlled jealous rage, followed him and shot him.

This sounds dramatic and I can't back it up in any way but maybe it wasn't a "hit" at all but something more simple like an unreasonably ticked off boyfriend who felt threatened by this good looking man (hero).



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[1&2&3]

I don't believe this case will be solved. Whether we call it a hired hit man or a friend of a friend taking matters into his own hands, it was done for Dan's ex-wife.

She has or had no knowledge of it, so she is completely clear. The fact that Dan was fighting her over her moving to another area was the reason for his murder. IIRC, she was from a well-to-do family. My feelings are that her family stepped in, unbeknownst to her, and had Dan killed so he would not tie her life up until the boys turned 18.

This has been my thoughts since he was killed. The timing was just too close to the couples last round in court where she was denied the ability to move. Being a lawyer herself, she should have known the laws for moving children out of jurisdiction in the state of Florida! Plus, her divorce lawyer had to know them.

My opinions only.

 

[colette]

Exactly, many of us has had this theory or something similar since day one but our posts were deleted. It is all hypothetical and some theories though.

 

[fasteddy8170]

I guess whether you believe it was a hit man or not depends on how you see the world. Because it surely doesn't go along with stats about divorce and murder in the USA. As the divorce rate has gone up, murder has gone down. So, there are a lot of people out there who get divorced, hate their ex's, want them dead, etc., and still those exes don't end up dead. In fact, most people find ways to work out their differences.

To continue with the stats, "rich" and "privileged" people are much less likely to be involved in a murder than middle class and poor people are. In addition, men are much more likely to plan or commit a murder than women are.

So, when you start whittling this all down, you see the odds of a divorced, affluent, privileged, educated woman having anything to do with a murder is very, very, very low. In fact, of any demographic in the USA, it's the demo LEAST LIKELY to having anything to do with violence.

Once again, just on the merits of stats.

But if you want to focus on the merits of this particular case, what sticks out to me is that Dan's family has not said ONE WORD about suspecting his ex-wife. This flies in the face of it seems every case I've ever watched on the ID channel where a family insists from day one, and aren't afraid to say so, that the bf/ex-hubby/guy on the side did it. The closest we've gotten to that is Dan's dad telling some British tabloid rag that he has a suspicion who did it . . . but he never says who. Now, I'm single so this is a bit theoretical, but I'd like to think if my parents thought my ex-wife murdered me, that they'd be on every tv show saying so, no matter who it might tick off. And wouldn't play coy like Dan's dad did.

Now, if someone wants to tell me that some person close to Dan's ex-wife did it on his or her own volition without her explicit instruction? For example, she's complaining about Dan and some friend decides to knock Dan off. Okay, fine. But how many of those types of people in the ex-wife's life could there be? Not many. So few that the police could track them down in days. In fact, I'm sure every one of the ex-wife's friends and family, including her dad, has been questioned. And despite how many people on here complain about how police are incompetent and miss stuff, most murders are solved in this country.

All of us follow cases like this one--that's why we're on Websleuths. And what do we all know? The longer a case goes unsolved, the much more likely that it was a random act and not one instigated by a person close to the victim. That's why Israel Keyes went for so long before getting caught while the Menendez Brothers fooled no one.

My more likely suspects? Myron May OR the people who were caught breaking into houses in the Ocala area and ended up murdering an affluent composer OR a student who was ticked off about a grade . . . each falling into a demo--person losing his mind, criminals, young person--that is more likely to kill someone than a mother of two.

 

[dotr]

It would take some pretty cold, unthinking people, to murder the father of two little kids for no reason other than to get their way in some endeavor or another.
Lawyers, imo would do what they are best at doing - send legal letters, sue and fight things out in a court of law.