FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[Elainera]

I just hope the kids all slept through this nightmare.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

How do paramedics protect themselves? Are gloves and that mouth-thingy (can't think of the name right now) enough?

I would also say mouth-thingy.

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[Elise]

I think we all did stupid things/made bad decisions and are still here to warn others. I could rant more on that...maybe later. Lol

The youngest was only 8 months. I don't see the mom using during her pregnancy if she ever used. I don't know.
If there was a concerned the baby would have been tested when born.

Imho...and purely mine only...maybe the mom did occasionally use to help with weight loss from the pregnancies. Just Moo.





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I completely agree with you on that. I think she was just an occasional user, or maybe just recently became an addict. She spent roughly half of the past 5 years pregnant. That'd be rough to get clean each time she got pregnant. I'm sure it happens, I just think in this case, if she was actually an addict, it started recently, which could be why it seems most people in her life weren't even aware of it.

 

[DatelineFan]

I think this could well be what happened to the mom. Tried to help him.

rsd1200, and I think others too, posted upthread about fentanyl being so dangerous, even just by skin contact or inhalation.

Skin contact from fentanyl would take quite a while, IMO. Years ago I had a pain patch if it. 3 days it went through my skin.

 

[Maroon10]

If they OD'd I feel very bad for the children that their parents rather risk getting high (and possibly driving while high) than be alive to take care of them.

He does look like a user, she doesnt but MSM releases dated photos sometimes.

I hope this is less of a traumatizing experience but more a lesson for the kids.

 

[Deltucky]

I would also say mouth-thingy.

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Looks like the retailers are calling them cpr rescue or cpr breathing masks.

 

[Tssiemer]

Looks like the retailers are calling them cpr rescue or cpr breathing masks.

I have one on my keychain. I also have Narcan. I used to work in a drug rehab as a social worker/ counselor.


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[Sulamith]

I was prescribed a fentanyl patch also. Looks like there is fake fentanyl that is so deadly From poster TeaTime's post #33: " Most recently heroin has been being laced with fentanyl but not real fentanyl, rather a home-made version and it is killing people in huge numbers. The fake fentanyl is the killer."

 

[Elainera]

I think I was looking for the term 'surgical mask'. Although paramedics obviously don't perform surgery but the thingies are the same I think.

 

[musicaljoke]

If they OD'd I feel very bad for the children that their parents rather risk getting high (and possibly driving while high) than be alive to take care of them.

He does look like a user, she doesnt but MSM releases dated photos sometimes.

I hope this is less of a traumatizing experience but more a lesson for the kids.

I hope the children find comfort in knowing that their parents put them safely into their car seats, and parked the car with the flashers running, in a place where they would be found quickly. Even so, it is a terrible thing for the children.

 

[proctorelites]

There is a rant coming sorry

I accepted a position in a methadone clinic. I lasted 8 work days.

If you all want to make a good amount of cash- go for the license
Here is how it worked. It was awful

Methadone dispensary. Opened at 6 in the morning. Visualize the first weekend of Jawas opening the first week.

Lines.Conditions of there not soing jail time was they would work.

Never knew this. I am not talking about overdose. I am (Learned this) that a person a person going through heroin withdrawal , will (mot of time) will not die.

A person going through alcohol withdrawal could.

Emergency rooms would have to admit, instant a alcohol withdrawal immediately - they could [pass away And will. .

Heroin withdrawal generally speaking will not kill them

It is horrendous yes vomiting, sweating, fever pain gruesome but it does not kill them

You are in alcohol withdrawal in an Er admit. You are in heroin withdrawal, basically go under a tree and suffer for three days. Check it out online .



In my situation (I am visual) it was like a bank with 6 teller lines manned by RN's Cash only $35 a hit of methadone- to keep withdrawal from starting.

My role a therapist, none of them were there for therapy - they were , understandably (took me a couple of days) there to dodge the start of gruesome with drawal.



The place closed at 10 in the morning. Look it up online. It was cash. An armored car came and picked it up like a Walmart.

Place closed till 4 in the afternoon and it started again.

Obisouly there is paperwork. You had to comment you caseload. They were giving out methadone. That require a doctor precriotion

The problem for me was I never saw , or introduced to . or have seen the psychiatrist that I am depositing my paper work (old days) on his desk.

This became problematic for me.! As I realized what was going on I wanted to check it out and for two days, (I had not decided to resign yet) I promise you , I thought about putting a pile of paperwork in his box on his desk with the pt name Barbara Striesand , I have not seen him

Did I do that no.

Did I learn a lot about heroin withdrawal I did, But this is a cash making bunch of crap sorry, and I am not putting my license to practice on the line.

I went to the clinical director and told her I am very uncortable that I had never met , or seen mr psychiatrist. She was anxious.

At that point, in terms of me getting relocated, I knew she sure as heck is not saying anything negative about me- basically I had told her as a professional , no doctor is monitor is monitoring methadone dosing.

I do have to say -- first day, at 10 AM when the Brinks thing came in and hauled away the cash it was a really messed up thing for me.

Look up methadone clinics, cash pay only- it just blew my mind

On tthe other hand _ I learned that heroin withdrawal is grusome BUT Er rooms will not admit you - go puke tremble sweat twitch under the tree- you will basically not die, unlike alcohol withdrawal .

Hard to grasp - it is not about OD is about heroin withdrawal will not kill you generally speaking , alcohol withdrawal will

go online - question my experience fine with it

it was an unreal 8 days

I'm sorry you must have completely misunderstood...this was a state run detox facility. There was ZERO help withdrawing. You must have misunderstood.

A heroin patient withdrawing that uses the dose they used before detoxing for several days does run a risk of overdose and death. I'm not referring to death by withdrawal.

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[kanzz]

How do paramedics protect themselves? Are gloves and that mouth-thingy (can't think of the name right now) enough?

The thingie is called a face shield. But - paramedics don't use them.

Paramedics do not do mouth-to-mouth. They use a bag-valve-mask (BVM) over the patient's nose and mouth; then they eventually intubate the patient (place a tube into the trachea); and squeeze air into the patient's lungs periodically until the patient is either pronounced, placed on life-support, or rescusitated (in order of liklihood, with rescus being maybe 5%).

Actually, since 2008 the American Heart Association has been teaching "hands only CPR" for lay people, partially due to the risk.

Paramedics are often the unsung heroines and heroes of the healthcare team. Their job is difficult in ways that many never consider. Weather, traffic, conditions in homes, gangs, crime, family of trauma, the bereaved. Unimaginable hazards. Our local team once spent the better part of the night searching in the sleet for an infant following a 2 vehicle motor vehicle accident - mother dead in car one, infant dead in car two, both fathers unconscious, and an empty carseat in car one. After about 7 hours, the sheriff was finally able to track down the grandmother who had the infant from car one.

Paramedics, Firefighters, LE - Hat Tip!

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

It was late at night... maybe they took something to keep them awake?

ETA not sure if heroin is considered an upper or a downer. Or if those terms are even used anymore lol

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[Adt1984]

This is interesting.. whatever happened, happened fast.

"The car hadn't been there more than 30 minutes because the trooper that found the seemingly disabled vehicle had been patrolling the area, Montes said."

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...se-suspected-in-death-of-ormond-couple-on-i-4

 

[Tssiemer]

It was late at night... maybe they took something to keep them awake?

ETA not sure if heroin is considered an upper or a downer. Or if those terms are even used anymore lol

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It's like a CNS depressant. That's why people "nod out." It's an Opiate so not a "downer" or "upper".


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[LisaWL7TR]

It was late at night... maybe they took something to keep them awake?

ETA not sure if heroin is considered an upper or a downer. Or if those terms are even used anymore lol

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I suggested that earlier also...like some of us would take 5 hour energy, monster or no doze(back in the day).

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[LisaWL7TR]

It's like a CNS depressant. That's why people "nod out." It's an Opiate so not a "downer" or "upper".


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I want to understand this! It seems I am either wide awake or nodding off and then sleep. Not much middle ground for me

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[cvaldez1975]

its a downer, def wouldn't keep them awake. a heroin high is referred to as being on the nod.

It was late at night... maybe they took something to keep them awake?

ETA not sure if heroin is considered an upper or a downer. Or if those terms are even used anymore lol

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[cvaldez1975]

you would know better than I the technical terms lol.

It's like a CNS depressant. That's why people "nod out." It's an Opiate so not a "downer" or "upper".


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[Elainera]

Maybe they didn't take heroin, or any other 'downer', maybe they took an 'upper' and it brought on a heart attack? That is possible isn't it?