GUILTY FL - David Galarriago, 2, beaten to death, Jacksonville, 14 March 2011

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I would never want the death penalty for a child. I know, it is a slippery slope when you start talking about saying who should and who should not be allowed to be parents. I know it will never come to this. I've just seen too much pain and suffering that should have never been allowed to happen in the first place.
 
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You bring up another good question. Would he actually be incarcerated with grown men? Our prisons are not equipped to house a child.

He is a child, after all.

He's housed with other juveniles (whom I assume have also been tried as adults, since it's an adult jail).

This kid really didn't stand a chance, did he. Neither, perhaps, did his mother. I wonder what circumstances led to her becoming pregnant at 11-12? Well, obviously she was raped, but by whom? This whole cycle in action here is so tragically sad!
 
  • #63
As the petition mentioned, Shackling Children is wrong! It's another disturbing aspect of the US justice that children are shackled and presented to the public and media like wild animals. It's degrading and it doesn’t fit in a human world.

http://www.change.org/petitions/shackling-children-is-wrong
 
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Sorry, but you frighten me the same as those who seeks a death penalty for children.

I hear you. Eugenics is trying to playing god and decide whether someone should reproduce or not. :maddening:
 
  • #66
I've been thinking about my comments on this topic. Sometimes I get so angry that I speak from the heart before taking time to think things through. I would like to add a few things so you all can understand where I'm coming from.

First, I think we all agree that raising a child is the single most important job there is. What qualifications are required to have a child? One only needs the ability to reproduce and he/she can become a parent. Fertile eggs and live sperm is all that is needed.

We are required to pass a test to obtain a driver's license. We must go to school and pass state boards to practice law, medicine, social work, etc. Think of all the jobs that require education and certification, registration, etc. Would you let a 13 year old loose on the street driving a car? Would you go to a doctor who didn't go to medical school or have a medical license. We don't even let people vote until they are 18. You get the point.

I just don't understand how society can sit back and watch as children are being abused, neglected, raped, killed, etc. over and over again. Yet we allow people that are proven failures at parenting to continue having more children. I am personally sick of trying to put back together lives that are shattered because a "parent" failed miserably. Most of us come to WS and read these horrible stories and are truly disturbed. But how many of us actually see first hand what happens before, during, and after the story? Wouldn't it be nice if these tragedies had never happened in the first place?
 
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The problem I have with those cases where children are involved, a lot of people blame only the child, they say the kid is born evil or bad seed. I personal believe each child is the produce of the environment where the child lives in. So Christian Fernandez does what he thought is right, or normal. If he suffered from abuse sexually and physically, for him it was a “normal” behavior because the adults showed it to him. This whole case is not a first degree murder case, it doesn’t come close to a first degree murder case, - or I have the wrong definition of a first degree murder. Yes he injured his half-brother, but he also called his mom for help after he realized that something had going bad. His mom didn’t call 911 for hours. The doctor said if she called for medical help her son would be still alive. No, in this case there is only one to blame the mom, nobody else.
 
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I've been thinking about my comments on this topic. Sometimes I get so angry that I speak from the heart before taking time to think things through. I would like to add a few things so you all can understand where I'm coming from.

First, I think we all agree that raising a child is the single most important job there is. What qualifications are required to have a child? One only needs the ability to reproduce and he/she can become a parent. Fertile eggs and live sperm is all that is needed.

We are required to pass a test to obtain a driver's license. We must go to school and pass state boards to practice law, medicine, social work, etc. Think of all the jobs that require education and certification, registration, etc. Would you let a 13 year old loose on the street driving a car? Would you go to a doctor who didn't go to medical school or have a medical license. We don't even let people vote until they are 18. You get the point.

I just don't understand how society can sit back and watch as children are being abused, neglected, raped, killed, etc. over and over again. Yet we allow people that are proven failures at parenting to continue having more children. I am personally sick of trying to put back together lives that are shattered because a "parent" failed miserably. Most of us come to WS and read these horrible stories and are truly disturbed. But how many of us actually see first hand what happens before, during, and after the story? Wouldn't it be nice if these tragedies had never happened in the first place?

But who gets to decide ? Those currently in charge of protecting our children have proven their incompetence and lack of common sense.
 
  • #72
This SA, Corey, is now the prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case. I am curious to see how that turns out. Everything I read about how she prosecuted this case against Christian is horrific, imo.
 
  • #73
But who gets to decide ? Those currently in charge of protecting our children have proven their incompetence and lack of common sense.

The parent. If you want to be a parent and continue reproducing, all you have to do is not harm your child. You don't have to prove that you are a good parent. All you have to do is not kill, rape, beat, starve, chain, burn, etc. your child. It's not asking too much is it? If you abuse or neglect any of your children, you lose them forever and get "fixed" so you can never harm another one. The parent knows going into it that they are responsible for their destiny. People that abuse animals are often forbidden from owning animals in the future. Why are children less important than animals?

To answer the second part of your question: Our system is flawed. If we haven't figured that out by now, we are STUPID. That's why we need a change. I'm just thinking outside the box. I don't give a darn about being politically correct when children are at stake.
 
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Every child is the product of the adults around the child. And NO child is a monster; the monsters are the child abusing adults!

Here are a few more case related links

-Police illegally obtained Christian Fernandez statements

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ly-obtained-cristian-fernandez-statements-sex

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94030126/Cristian-Fernandez-case-Motions-to-suppress

Beside the case story

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blo...n-littlepage-angela-coreys-hissy-fits-threats

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dalla...prosecutor-is-coming-seriously-unhinged.html/
 
  • #76
I'm sure I'm going against the popular consensus here, but I'll be happy if they lock this kid up for the rest of his life. He's probably a sociopath, and as we all know, there's no fixing that. Would you feel comfortable with him roaming around on the streets, possibly dating your daughter? Or becoming a teacher, or boyscout leader? It's about time we recognize these types before they maim and murder any more. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he did it anyway. If he winds up getting out of prison, I guarantee he'll kill again.
 
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Wait a second... is this Angela Corey the same prosecutor from the casewedonotdiscuss, and the one who just sent a poor woman to 25 years in the Bug House for firing a warning shot? Hmmmm...
 
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I'm sure I'm going against the popular consensus here, but I'll be happy if they lock this kid up for the rest of his life. He's probably a sociopath, and as we all know, there's no fixing that. Would you feel comfortable with him roaming around on the streets, possibly dating your daughter? Or becoming a teacher, or boyscout leader? It's about time we recognize these types before they maim and murder any more. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he did it anyway. If he winds up getting out of prison, I guarantee he'll kill again.

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that this child can't be *fixed*. But I do disagree with the idea that because of that he should be sent to fend for himself in the worst possible environment for the rest of his life. If you are capable of doing what he allegedly did at 12 years old, the reason you are capable is beyond your control and not at all voluntary. I have no doubt about that.
 

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