GUILTY FL - David Galarriago, 2, beaten to death, Jacksonville, 14 March 2011

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Karmady said:
I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that this child can't be *fixed*. But I do disagree with the idea that because of that he should be sent to fend for himself in the worst possible environment for the rest of his life. If you are capable of doing what he allegedly did at 12 years old, the reason you are capable is beyond your control and not at all voluntary. I have no doubt about that.
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At his age, I don't think he should be housed with adult prisoners. Surely there are like minded criminals in his own age group that he could bunk with.

I don't know if it was mentioned previously, but he also broke his brother's leg and killed a kitten before he resorted to murder. IMO, he's too dangerous to be placed back into society. Not to mention, I believe a prison sentence should be about punishment, not just about rehabilitation. And his mother should be punished, too, for her own role in her son's death. This legacy needs to be stopped in it's tracks.
 
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Cracka*Jaxx said:
At his age, I don't think he should be housed with adult prisoners. Surely there are like minded criminals in his own age group that he could bunk with.

I don't know if it was mentioned previously, but he also broke his brother's leg and killed a kitten before he resorted to murder. IMO, he's too dangerous to be placed back into society. Not to mention, I believe a prison sentence should be about punishment, not just about rehabilitation. And his mother should be punished, too, for her own role in her son's death. This legacy needs to be stopped in it's tracks.
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The don't house them with adults. Usually they are kept in a juvenile facility until they reach majority, then they get transferred to adult prison.

12 is too young for life though, unless he is crazy, and if that is the case he should be in a mental institution, not a prison.
 
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Cracka*Jaxx said:
I'm sure I'm going against the popular consensus here, but I'll be happy if they lock this kid up for the rest of his life. He's probably a sociopath, and as we all know, there's no fixing that. Would you feel comfortable with him roaming around on the streets, possibly dating your daughter? Or becoming a teacher, or boyscout leader? It's about time we recognize these types before they maim and murder any more. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he did it anyway. If he winds up getting out of prison, I guarantee he'll kill again.
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He himself was the victim of horrible abuse. And the only reason that the 2 yr old actually died is that his so called mother did not call an ambulance or take him to the hospital for hours. Otherwise it would have been assault and not murder.
This kid obviously has issues, but they are not his fault, imo. I think he needs to be in a mental institution receiving treatment, not incarcerated with criminals.

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And when I say he was a victim, I mean VICTIM. Check out this article which chronicles his young life. His mom was 12 when he was born, and he was fathered by an incestuous rape, IIRC. And the kitten he killed was in response to it scratching him in the face when he was 5. So it was an angry response, like he himself had been living. He was raped and sodomized since he was just a toddler. And he witnessed a very gory suicide up close and personal. So imo, it makes sense that he acted out and injured his liitle brother.
http://justice4juveniles.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/the-story-of-cristian-fernandez/
 
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His mother was 12 when she had him? And authorities left him with her? I don't think he ever had a chance.
 
  • #88
seattlechiquita said:
Wait a second... is this Angela Corey the same prosecutor from the casewedonotdiscuss, and the one who just sent a poor woman to 25 years in the Bug House for firing a warning shot? Hmmmm...
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One and the same.
 
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trofanji said:
As far I know the incident with the cat toke place when he was 3 years old!
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What 3 year old kills a cat?! That should speak volumes about what this kid is capable of. So, first he kills a cat, then he breaks his brother's leg, and then he kills his brother (with his mother's help). It's VERY apparent that his violence is escalating. Did we learn nothing after the Luka Magnotta incident? Where he first killed several kittens, and then resorted to murder and dismemberment? Are we going to forever make excuses for these individuals who have broken brains that can't be fixed?
 
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Cracka*Jaxx said:
What 3 year old kills a cat?! That should speak volumes about what this kid is capable of. So, first he kills a cat, then he breaks his brother's leg, and then he kills his brother (with his mother's help). It's VERY apparent that his violence is escalating. Did we learn nothing after the Luka Magnotta incident? Where he first killed several kittens, and then resorted to murder and dismemberment? Are we going to forever make excuses for these individuals who have broken brains that can't be fixed?
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Any 3 yr old can kill a kitten without even realizing what they are doing. that is one reason why 2 and 3 yr olds need to be supervised around kittens and small puppies.

The way he broke his brothers leg was by being too rough with him physically. He was acting the same way that others had always acted with him. I agree that he has a 'broken' brain, but the disagreement comes with what we should do about it. He was failed by the social services, who allowed the poor child to go home with a 12 yr old incest/rape victim, as a mother. Should we fail him again by putting him in an adult prison for 70 or 80 years? I cannot even imagine that.

He should be in a psych treatment facility. If the guy who decapitated a stranger on a bus and began eating him, is in a psych ward, then why not this poor kid?
 
  • #93
I was on the roof with our cat when I was about 5 (yes, I had awesome parental supervision.)
The cat scratched me when I tried to take it off the roof and I threw it off the roof.

It was a cat. It landed on it's feet. So if it had landed on it's head and died, I should immediately have been considered a risk to be a serial killer?
I also put the cat in the dryer once. I didn't even know what the dryer WAS. Just put him in, shut the door and it started automatically.
I also tore my shoulder ten years later RESCUING a stupid cat from a tree. I don't like cats.


This kid did not premeditate and then stab, strangle, sodomize and dismember a cat.

An abused child reacted angrily when the cat hurt him.
An abused child who could NOT react angrily when anyone else hurt him.


I don't understand this case. I never have. The MOM should have been charged. Not the abused and traumatized 12 year old.

If he had stolen his mother's car and run into somebody's house, would the family have sued HIM or his mother?


Yes, there are kids who are sociopaths. Then there are kids who are abused and damaged.

We rescue pets (some who have hurt or killed another animal) from abusive homes and rehabilitate them... putting them back into homes.

I do not understand why a 12 year old HUMAN child does not get that same benefit?
 
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A juvenile prosecuted as an adult can be given life in prison, but cannot be given life without the possibility of parole. So even if convicted as an adult he will have the opportunity of parole in the future. Unless he does some nasty stuff while incarcerated, I would expect that this kid will be back on the streets by the time he is 25 years old. His parents, (if that word applies), have some culpability here as well and should be dealt with accordingly, IMHO.
 
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MsFacetious said:
I was on the roof with our cat when I was about 5 (yes, I had awesome parental supervision.) The cat scratched me when I tried to take it off the roof and I threw it off the roof. It was a cat. It landed on it's feet. So if it had landed on it's head and died, I should immediately have been considered a risk to be a serial killer? I also put the cat in the dryer once. I didn't even know what the dryer WAS. Just put him in, shut the door and it started automatically.
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This would not be considered 'awesome supervision'. There is a problem there. If I knew a child who killed two cats, I certainly would be asking questions. And cats don't always land on their feet.

This kid did not premeditate and then stab, strangle, sodomize and dismember a cat.
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How do you know this to be fact? Where is this info?

Yes, there are kids who are sociopaths. Then there are kids who are abused and damaged.
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And sometimes they're one and the same. There are many abused children who DON'T go around killing and murdering. This kid is dangerous. Would you want him living next door to you? Befriending your son?

We rescue pets (some who have hurt or killed another animal) from abusive homes and rehabilitate them... putting them back into homes.
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Not true. Where, on earth, are you getting your information from?
 
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Cracka*Jaxx said:
This would not be considered 'awesome supervision'. There is a problem there. If I knew a child who killed two cats, I certainly would be asking questions. And cats don't always land on their feet.



How do you know this to be fact? Where is this info?



And sometimes they're one and the same. There are many abused children who DON'T go around killing and murdering. This kid is dangerous. Would you want him living next door to you? Befriending your son?



Not true. Where, on earth, are you getting your information from?
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I think the point she was trying to make is that he does not need to be in an adult prison to protect the other children. He can be in treatment in a psych hospital and receive what he needs, and your kids will still be safely away from him.

This little boy was severely traumatized, above and beyond the usual stories of childhood abuse. And none of his actions were the kind that a pschopath acted out. He is more of an anger, temper tantrum, reactive perp.

He should not just be thrown out with the trash, imo.
 
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