FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 *ARRESTS* #6

[indianwin2001]

We need to quit saying 27 times it is never been said anywhere... except here lol

:Moo:

No it was reported somewhere--we didn't make it up--see below post

 

[LvsAMystry]

Yes, JR is a hot-head, braggart, snake in the grass. Years ago a hot-head on a crew pouring concrete for us called himself "Dynamite".... I'm sure you guys can guess why.

Hey those of you posting this info..... WHERE did you hear/see she was hit 27 times?

One of the on-air reporters mentioned it in a clip at the time of one of the arrests on Thursday so there is no link or verifiable but it was said/reported

 

[Sparky]

:stop:

You guys know the other Dr. Is "Off Limits". No more discussion about him or his staff.

Thank you.

 

[makayla]

No it was reported somewhere--we didn't make it up--see below post

Definitely not made up and IIRC it was reported on a TV broadcast by a female reporter/anchor - I watched it online somewhere. Not sure which TV station though as I've been like a kangaroo hopping around from one to the other

 

[pferrin]

what don't we know???
TOD(perhaps heard between 4:30am and 5:30am)
COD(Perhaps hammer)
Motive money, financial gain, to stay out of prison, silence a truth teller?
Perps JRR and CWW and ???
How they committed the crime? Specifics .. did they drive to Fl? When did they go back to MO? Were both in the home? When were plans formulated?

Any Ideas?

 

[beezwax404]

Anyways, why else would WW be making so many trips to FL like MS friend said WW would drive to FL like "driving down the corner to the 7-11" ....I think WW was making the drive to transport narcotics

 

[Matlacha]

Why not just take the safes if you are in the home and can't get them open in your 2hr visit. I'm sure the perp would have known if the safes were bolted down or not and most likely the combination to them (since there was no attempt to move the safes from the home).

One of the best safe stores in the U.S. has a branch office in Fort Myers (C.E. Safes). I bought one of their smaller models, which weighs 700-800 lbs. and is bolted to a 700-800 lb. block of concrete which is epoxied to a concrete floor. This was a hobbyist model for safekeeping of two long guns and two pistols (it would hold more, but the most that's in it). I got it because we don't have an alarm in Florida like we do up north, and I don't want the guns falling into the wrong hands, even though their total value is about equal to the cost of the safe. I wasn't in the market for a high-end model, but looking at the CE website just now, and only at the brand I bought, I see they go to a least 7,000 lbs. You might be able to open a $500 safe with a claw hammer, but a good safe will need a lot more--probably a really hot torch.

 

[indianwin2001]

what don't we know???
TOD(perhaps heard between 4:30am and 5:30am)
COD(Perhaps hammer)
Motive money, financial gain, to stay out of prison, silence a truth teller?
Perps JRR and CWW and ???
How they committed the crime? Specifics .. did they drive to Fl? When did they go back to MO? Were both in the home? When were plans formulated?

Any Ideas?

Reading this,it makes me realize we don't know much--BUT LE does and they learn more every day--The time will come....

 

[Njptjp]

If the simplest answer is commonly the correct answer, and people murder mostly for love, money or jealousy, then I post a simple ( based on the minds of the known perps so far) theory that does NOT involve MS:
WW knows the nature of the office business. Bluntly, cash is collected, sometimes large amount of cash, and kept in safes in the home, not always deposited, for periods of time, maybe indefinitely.
WW is desperate for cash. And involves the other perp for a robbery. And if he is regularly driving to Florida, then this trip is no big deal. They are discovered by TS!
TS will NOT give up the safe combinations and codes, because she fears for her life, and knows that guns and ammo may also be discovered and used on her. If she is as feisty and cunning as everyone has said, she will try to make a break for it and leave the house. Maybe made it to the garage before being whacked? Or initially hit in the garage and dragged inside?
WW did not want TS dead, but the hired perp is of a low intelligence and emotional development and things escalate.
how much is a lot of money? To the perps? $10,000 cash?? $30,000 cash? Who knows. More than they have and more than they possibly need for the immediate future. Would also explain the "raise" the perp referred to. Would explain the rage associated with the killing: I came all this way and I Have nothing. Well I am going to get something! And it is you. And I am mad. I wanted the money. I needed the money. My girlfriend is pregnant. This trip has cost me. It is going to cost you.

hence the murder 2 charge for both, vs a murder one charge. Robbery as the intent. Murder as the outcome. No MS in the plan. Just my current theory, which rolls along every day, and changing with each moment.

 

[beezwax404]

If the simplest answer is commonly the correct answer, and people murder mostly for love, money or jealousy, then I post a simple ( based on the minds of the known perps so far) theory that does NOT involve MS:
WW knows the nature of the office business. Bluntly, cash is collected, sometimes large amount of cash, and kept in safes in the home, not always deposited, for periods of time, maybe indefinitely.
WW is desperate for cash. And involves the other perp for a robbery. And if he is regularly driving to Florida, then this trip is no big deal. They are discovered by TS!
TS will NOT give up the safe combinations and codes, because she fears for her life, and knows that guns and ammo may also be discovered and used on her. If she is as feisty and cunning as everyone has said, she will try to make a break for it and leave the house. Maybe made it to the garage before being whacked? Or initially hit in the garage and dragged inside?
WW did not want TS dead, but the hired perp is of a low intelligence and emotional development and things escalate.
how much is a lot of money? To the perps? $10,000 cash?? $30,000 cash? Who knows. More than they have and more than they possibly need for the immediate future. Would also explain the "raise" the perp referred to. Would explain the rage associated with the killing: I came all this way and I Have nothing. Well I am going to get something! And it is you. And I am mad. I wanted the money. I needed the money. My girlfriend is pregnant. This trip has cost me. It is going to cost you.

hence the murder 2 charge for both, vs a murder one charge. Robbery as the intent. Murder as the outcome. No MS in the plan. Just my current theory, which rolls along every day, and changing with each moment.

This is one of three theories that I am currently leaning towards... and you are right it does perfectly explain the murder 2 charge

 

[1&2&3]

Okay, back to the arrest of the 2 criminals.

As I see it, there are TOO many coincidences for MS to not have some involvement From the beginning, I 've felt he was involved. My first thought was the books were being "cooked". Upon learning that a life time friend, who is a criminal, is the office IT person, that reasoning seems to be an accurate first step.

How much deeper it goes is what we are waiting to hear! What a sad situation that TS's husband, partner, father of her children could let a known criminal be involved with her medical practice. That in itself is a disgrace! IMO. I do not see how he is going to come out of this with a clean record. JMO

 

[Stopwatch]

So the possibility exists, as always, that there are person(s) (other than MS) who may have had dealings with WW, and who might have benefited from TS' death.

Perhaps MS' silence has to do with feeling horribly responsible for the situation because he brought WW into their lives. If he hasn't contacted her family, perhaps he is so ashamed of his friend's involvement that he can't face them. Especially if TS had ever expressed reservations about hiring WW.

 

[Sparky]

:stop:

You guys know the other dr. Is "off limits". No more discussion about him or his staff.

Thank you.

bumping

 

[KateB]

Yes, JR is a hot-head, braggart, snake in the grass. Years ago a hot-head on a crew pouring concrete for us called himself "Dynamite".... I'm sure you guys can guess why.

Hey those of you posting this info..... WHERE did you hear/see she was hit 27 times?

One member heard it on Wink News Live on Aug 27th. I've not been able to find it in any of their published videos. AFAIK, LE still has not released the cause of death or manner of death, so my guess is Wink was reporting what they were told by neighbors. The hammer mentioned by the neighbors early on still not been confirmed, has it?
So which end of hammer and how many times couldn't be publicly known, imo.

 

[indianwin2001]

If the simplest answer is commonly the correct answer, and people murder mostly for love, money or jealousy, then I post a simple ( based on the minds of the known perps so far) theory that does NOT involve MS:
WW knows the nature of the office business. Bluntly, cash is collected, sometimes large amount of cash, and kept in safes in the home, not always deposited, for periods of time, maybe indefinitely.
WW is desperate for cash. And involves the other perp for a robbery. And if he is regularly driving to Florida, then this trip is no big deal. They are discovered by TS!
TS will NOT give up the safe combinations and codes, because she fears for her life, and knows that guns and ammo may also be discovered and used on her. If she is as feisty and cunning as everyone has said, she will try to make a break for it and leave the house. Maybe made it to the garage before being whacked? Or initially hit in the garage and dragged inside?
WW did not want TS dead, but the hired perp is of a low intelligence and emotional development and things escalate.
how much is a lot of money? To the perps? $10,000 cash?? $30,000 cash? Who knows. More than they have and more than they possibly need for the immediate future. Would also explain the "raise" the perp referred to. Would explain the rage associated with the killing: I came all this way and I Have nothing. Well I am going to get something! And it is you. And I am mad. I wanted the money. I needed the money. My girlfriend is pregnant. This trip has cost me. It is going to cost you.

hence the murder 2 charge for both, vs a murder one charge. Robbery as the intent. Murder as the outcome. No MS in the plan. Just my current theory, which rolls along every day, and changing with each moment.

Good theory but I don't subscribe to it. The first thing the sheriff said at his first PC was "twists and turns" yada yada yada.---Where are the twists in this theory?--LE knows a lot more than us and he said this is a very complicated case numerous times. Also, as I and other people have pointed out, A murder 1 vs. murder 2 charge RIGHT NOW is meaningless. Until an arraignment,they can charge the perps just to hold them and adjust the charges as they discover the perps total involvement in the case--JMO

 

[wendybtn]

Another strange thing. How did they know to get out before the physical fitness trainer was suppose to show up to work out with T.S that morning.

Everything was timed too perfectly. Jmo

The appt. with the trainer was scheduled for Monday evening.

 

[indianwin2001]

This is one of three theories that I am currently leaning towards... and you are right it does perfectly explain the murder 2 charge

If the evidence shows JR murdered her with a hammer,in her house,during a break-in or whatever, he will be charged with murder 1 at least if not capital murder.

 

[beezwax404]

I believe almost everything released to the public or in MSM has been discussed in these threads...anything else is forbidden from being discussed....I guess we have to wait for Skinner to get back on and answer questions

 

[Riversinthedesert]

The report of "no sexual assault and no robbery" was on the Nancy Grace show. It wasn't something that came from LE, so we have to take it for what it's worth. Several things have been either been said by neighbors or been reported on the NG show, that have not been confirmed by LE. Very little has actually been confirmed as they are remaining very tight lipped - I don't blame them, even though I am anxiously awaiting more news.

Agreed makayla about no sexual assault or robbery not being confirmed by LE...but Skinner advised MS said nothing stolen, FWIW.

 

[makayla]

If the simplest answer is commonly the correct answer, and people murder mostly for love, money or jealousy, then I post a simple ( based on the minds of the known perps so far) theory that does NOT involve MS:
WW knows the nature of the office business. Bluntly, cash is collected, sometimes large amount of cash, and kept in safes in the home, not always deposited, for periods of time, maybe indefinitely.
WW is desperate for cash. And involves the other perp for a robbery. And if he is regularly driving to Florida, then this trip is no big deal. They are discovered by TS!
TS will NOT give up the safe combinations and codes, because she fears for her life, and knows that guns and ammo may also be discovered and used on her. If she is as feisty and cunning as everyone has said, she will try to make a break for it and leave the house. Maybe made it to the garage before being whacked? Or initially hit in the garage and dragged inside?
WW did not want TS dead, but the hired perp is of a low intelligence and emotional development and things escalate.
how much is a lot of money? To the perps? $10,000 cash?? $30,000 cash? Who knows. More than they have and more than they possibly need for the immediate future. Would also explain the "raise" the perp referred to. Would explain the rage associated with the killing: I came all this way and I Have nothing. Well I am going to get something! And it is you. And I am mad. I wanted the money. I needed the money. My girlfriend is pregnant. This trip has cost me. It is going to cost you.

hence the murder 2 charge for both, vs a murder one charge. Robbery as the intent. Murder as the outcome. No MS in the plan. Just my current theory, which rolls along every day, and changing with each moment.

Two things come to mind, Njptjp ...

1. The Sheriff says this case has lots of intricacies and is complicated, so it doesn't appear that it could be simple.

2. The infamous bloody jumpsuit ... in my mind, that doesn't fit in with a robbery, it indicates the possibility of a planned murder.

These are just my opinions, and as I've said before, I love hearing other people's theories so we can have interesting discussions ... none of us have the answers yet, we're still in the speculating stage. Thank you for your input!