FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[Dogface]

I've packed a gun every time I go to Montana or Wyoming, its super easy to do, but never in my mind did I ever think of anyone using their gun in that manner. I know lots of hunters that do it to, how else are you going to get your hunting rifle where you are going hunting?

Edit: for some reason, and probably just me reading the rules wrong, I've always packed the ammo in a separate lock box.

 

[CARIIS]

Imagine this in Atlanta or Chicago nations entire aviation network snarled for days

Now they are doing on CCN all this how did he get a gun oh guys quit your dreams that you can control getting a gun. Its hopeless. Undoable in USA.

 

[keeleydoll]

Honestly, I'm really surprised that so many people didn't know that you're allowed to pack firearms in a checked bag, you can also do so when traveling to many other countries.


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[RainCheck]

This case reminds me of Aaron Alexis. Anybody who walks into the FBI and tells them they are hearing voices telling them to kill for ISIS should be taken seriously. Especially someone with military combat training and experience and access to weapons and ammunition. The young guy had some very, very serious mental health problems. The fact he was legally carrying a gun into an airport is terrifying. It's sad not only for his victims but for his family and even for him. I mean he obviously didn't really want to hurt people if he was turning himself in and asking for help and agreeing to be committed. There was a very big failure at some point for this to happen.

 

[Tawny]

I'm all about stricter gun control (well regulated anybody?) but the fact remains that guns are legal and easy to acquire in our great nation, and airports are where people gather for hours before their flights. Security is slow, so even if there is security outside the airport... guess what? That creates a crowd.

So tighter security at baggage claim does nothing. Tighter security in terminals creates a worse problem. It's better to get people through to the secure portions of the airport faster.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that this kid should not have owned a firearm and been allowed to transport it based on his admitted mental disturbances. Someone failed somewhere.

 

[CARIIS]

I've packed a gun every time I go to Montana or Wyoming, its super easy to do, but never in my mind did I ever think of anyone using their gun in that manner. I know lots of hunters that do it to, how else are you going to get your hunting rifle where you are going hunting?

Edit: for some reason, and probably just me reading the rules wrong, I've always packed the ammo in a separate lock box.

your sane and not a terrorist! They can do this from overseas into New York ot LA or where ever .

Its exactly how it has to end up - the bag ends up back in your hands ???

 

[NCTeacher]

Except we still don't know if he was really in with ISIS or if he was just hearing voices.

How does one really become "in with Isis," is there an official baptismal procedure or something? A branding of some sort? A signed document with blood?


Are mental illness and Isis membership mutually exclusive? In my opinion, anyone who is a "member" of Isis has a mental illness. They are delusional sociopaths for the most part, peppered with depressed social "rejects" looking for a home---and no doubt, schizophrenics whose voices are telling them to join Isis and/or kill in the name of Isis.

Pedantic.
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[CARIIS]

When discussing whether this was a terrorist attack or not, let's think of the terror everyone in that airport suffered!

This was a life changing day for many people that we will never hear about. Were the people in baggage claim and the airport detained all day to be interviewed?

There are also the poor people who have been caged on the planes ready to take off. Yes, to me it is caged as their rights have been taken from them and they have no options! When is the day going to come that someone on a detained plane goes "crazy" and a drastic event occurs?

It is time for airports to have better security measures. People cannot be held on planes for hours. It is inhuman! Luggage with guns need to be personally claimed at a window. There is always a lost luggage window, so that would be an ideal location. A special luggage tag, held by the owner, would have to be presented.

This incident is unfortunately the test for a follow up copy cat that we will see in the future. While it probably was not planned as such, the fact that it worked, will be used again.

My opinions only.

But they hand your bag to you -- its yours , and it has a gun--- and you are INSIDE any airport-- anywhere with a gun


poof


I shudder to think of two or three folks coming in on some flight from overseas

and think ISIS did not think of this - a psychotic did - perfect in its simplicity moo

 

[Tawny]

How does one really become "in with Isis," is there an official baptismal procedure or something? A branding of some sort? A signed document with blood?


Are mental illness and Isis membership mutually exclusive? In my opinion, anyone who is a "member" of Isis has a mental illness. They are delusional sociopaths for the most part, peppered with depressed social "rejects" looking for a home---and no doubt, schizophrenics whose voices are telling them to join Isis.
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That's not how radical ideology works. :no

 

[Tawny]

But they hand your bag to you -- its yours , and it has a gun--- and you are INSIDE any airport-- anywhere with a gun


poof

I shudder to think of two or three folks coming in on some flight from overseas

I'd have to look into it but I'm pretty sure it's not so easy to just check a gun from overseas. Inside the US, we pride ourselves in our 2nd Amendment, but non-citizens are not under the same freedoms.

 

[Tawny]

This is off topic but to clarify... You can't just check a gun from overseas and get into the US armed. It's much more complicated than that.

What is required to bring a firearm to the U.S. for hunting purposes?

Effective February 19, 2002, ATF requires nonimmigrant visitors entering the U.S. with firearms or ammunition to obtain a federal permit through ATF in advance of their arrival.

U.S. law also forbids certain nonimmigrant visitors, workers and students from buying guns and ammunition in the U.S. Diplomats, foreign law enforcement officials and visiting dignitaries designated by the U.S. Department of State are not exempt from this requirement when bringing a gun for hunting purposes.

You will need to obtain and complete ATF Form 6NIA (5330.3D Application/Permit for Temporary Importation of Firearms and Ammunition by Nonimmigrant Aliens) to apply for the ATF permit. You will also be required to obtain a license from any state in the U.S. where you intend to hunt. Please note that you may fax the ATF Form 6 NIA-5330.3D application to (304) 616-4554 for expedited processing.

You may contact ATF's Firearms and Explosives Import office by email at [email protected] if you have additional questions. For more information about nonimmigrant visitors who wish to import firearms, please see ATF's Frequently Asked Questions.



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...nition-to-the-u.s.-for-hunting/sport-purposes

 

[CARIIS]

He was deployed in Iraq.

PTSD with a break ??? Just a guess

 

[NCTeacher]

That's not how radical ideology works. :no

*Sigh* So there is a now a LITMUS TEST for participation in a radical ideology. There are surely PLENTY of people supporting ISIS who have mental problems which are causing their sympathies to ISIS. Schizophrenics included. That does not absolve Isis influence because they are not the primary cancer.

Stop with the terrorist-elitism.

 

[CARIIS]

There is something a little "loopy" about his itinerary / planning skill set - he went half around the world to get to Hollywood /Ft laud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CARIIS]

This is off topic but to clarify... You can't just check a gun from overseas and get into the US armed. It's much more complicated than that.

What is required to bring a firearm to the U.S. for hunting purposes?

Effective February 19, 2002, ATF requires nonimmigrant visitors entering the U.S. with firearms or ammunition to obtain a federal permit through ATF in advance of their arrival.

U.S. law also forbids certain nonimmigrant visitors, workers and students from buying guns and ammunition in the U.S. Diplomats, foreign law enforcement officials and visiting dignitaries designated by the U.S. Department of State are not exempt from this requirement when bringing a gun for hunting purposes.

You will need to obtain and complete ATF Form 6NIA (5330.3D Application/Permit for Temporary Importation of Firearms and Ammunition by Nonimmigrant Aliens) to apply for the ATF permit. You will also be required to obtain a license from any state in the U.S. where you intend to hunt. Please note that you may fax the ATF Form 6 NIA-5330.3D application to (304) 616-4554 for expedited processing.

You may contact ATF's Firearms and Explosives Import office by email at [email protected] if you have additional questions. For more information about nonimmigrant visitors who wish to import firearms, please see ATF's Frequently Asked Questions.



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...nition-to-the-u.s.-for-hunting/sport-purposes

Hi Tawny

Apparently NOTHING!

Know nothing about guns. But when I heard all you do is pack and claim it at the end i thought I heard it wrong

boy

 

[drjones]

when son of sam said he heard his dog's voice telling him to kill i dont recall anyone blaming the dog...

that said - it is still way to early to think we know why this happened.

 

[Tawny]

*Sigh* So there is a now a LITMUS TEST for participation in a radical ideology. There are surely PLENTY of people supporting ISIS who have mental problems which are causing their sympathies to ISIS. Schizophrenics included. That does not absolve Isis influence because they are not the primary cancer.

Stop with the terrorist-elitism.

LOL Sure. OR, maybe I know a thing or two about terroristic ideology vs mental health disorders.

Hi Tawny

Apparently NOTHING!

Know nothing about guns. But when I heard all you do is pack and claim it at the end i thought I heard it wrong

boy

No. It's not that simple. You have to apply for a permit through ATF and they are very stringent when it comes to people coming TO the US with weapons. WITHIN the us, if you can legally own a firearm, yeah you just check it and claim it. But coming from OUTSIDE the US is a whole other ball of wax.

 

[JerseyGirl]

But they hand your bag to you -- its yours , and it has a gun--- and you are INSIDE any airport-- anywhere with a gun


poof


I shudder to think of two or three folks coming in on some flight from overseas

and think ISIS did not think of this - a psychotic did - perfect in its simplicity moo

mentioned earlier, most airports allow people off the street to walk around an airport, even in baggage claim. They can carry a gun and not be detected.

The only area guarded by metal detectors is the approach to gate entrances.

 

[Tawny]

If it turns out this kid is schizophrenic, which it appears he likely is, then you have to consider how schizophrenia works.

Being surrounded by fear mongering sensationalist click bait headline news screaming about ISIS all the time will influence the schizophrenic mind.

But if you're more comfortable assuming this dude is a terrorist, then that's fine. I'm just going to keep a more open mind about the possible motivations until we know more.

 

[Rott Mom]

When will this end?