FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[rsd1200]

I think it was a mixed motive, with overlap of a "regular" rage-fueled rampage with "terrorist" tones.

At this point (obviously, subject to change), I think he was traveling to Florida like a regular passenger with no intentions of doing harm. But, he got into some sort of argument in flight. The "ISIS voices" in his head responded to the argument with the terrorist-style violence.

If he hadn't gotten in the argument, I don't think he would've opened fire at the airport. If he hadn't heard voices in his head, I don't think he would open fire in response to an argument. But he got in the argument AND he heard voices....AND he had a gun and could aim.

Of course, we may learn more information that changes our opinions, but at the moment, this my opinion.

Very scary for everyone at that airport.

jmo

Considering only what we know at this point, I think that you've summed it up pretty good. It's nothing to take lightly when folks start hearing voices, and seeing things. I'm leaning toward he finally just snapped. If it hadn't happened at the airport, it would have happened somewhere else, in the near future.

 

[Tulessa]

Pikeville Kentucky got lucky!


[video=youtube;s1syj0W3ZNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1syj0W3ZNQ[/video]
A group of students and staff members from the University of Pikeville, who were in the Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, when today’s mass shooting occurred, are safe and accounted for.
http://www.ekbtv.com/news/upike-missionaries-confirmed-safe-after-florida-mass-shooting

 

[deoneta]

In my opinion, after seeing other pro-ISIS pictures over the years, THIS is also pro-ISIS:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shooting-Ft-Lauderdale-Hollywood-Airport.html


It is not just the way he places the finger salute, it is the green scarf worn in that specific way.


I think he was experiencing mental health issues AND he was having thoughts about fighting for ISIS invading his mind.

I think it's a combination of factors, too. According to FNN, that scarf is the preferred apparel of the PLO.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I think it's a combination of factors, too. According to FNN, that scarf is the preferred apparel of the PLO.

That scarf, kaffiyeh, is worn by middle eastern men. All over the world.

 

[katydid23]

That scarf, kaffiyeh, is worn by middle eastern men. All over the world.

But he is not middle eastern. He is Puerto Rican. So why is he wearing a Kaffiyeh, giving the ISIS salute, complaining about being 'forced' for fight for ISIS, shooting strangers in an airport, if he was not in support of radical Islam?

They may all wear that kaffiyeh all over the world---but do they give the ISIS salute while wearing it?

 

[katydid23]

Mass shooters often aim at random people, not necessarily at a specific person who set them off.

True. But I cannot ignore the picture of him in middle eastern garb, giving the ISIS salute, when I think of his shooting strangers in the airport.

 

[Momoffourboys]

But he is not middle eastern. He is Puerto Rican. So why is he wearing a Kaffiyeh, giving the ISIS salute, complaining about being 'forced' for fight for ISIS, shooting strangers in an airport, if he was not in support of radical Islam?

They may all wear that kaffiyeh all over the world---but do they give the ISIS salute while wearing it?

He was deployed in Iraq.

 

[abstr]

Ketoacidosis is super high blood sugar that leads to kidney failure. It can kill you. Just as low blood sugar can. If a diabetic (type1) juvenile type your pancreas does not work and without medication it is life threatening. I feel for those who have health issues or small kids. Wish airlines had a better plan! Btw, I think the airlines limit the amount of insulin you can bring aboard, I can stand corrected if wrong.
This was in response to a poster talking about passengers on a tarmac. I am using my phone so it didn't copy original post.

 

[Momoffourboys]

But he is not middle eastern. He is Puerto Rican. So why is he wearing a Kaffiyeh, giving the ISIS salute, complaining about being 'forced' for fight for ISIS, shooting strangers in an airport, if he was not in support of radical Islam?

They may all wear that kaffiyeh all over the world---but do they give the ISIS salute while wearing it?

And its not that I don't think he has had ISIS influnce or is affliated. I just don't think the scarf or the finger pointing is a sure thing.

 

[keeleydoll]

RE U.S. armed forces wearing kaffeyiah/shemagh http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/09/how-to-tie-a-military-style-shemaghkeffiyeh/


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[Tawny]

But he is not middle eastern. He is Puerto Rican. So why is he wearing a Kaffiyeh, giving the ISIS salute, complaining about being 'forced' for fight for ISIS, shooting strangers in an airport, if he was not in support of radical Islam?

They may all wear that kaffiyeh all over the world---but do they give the ISIS salute while wearing it?

Did you miss the links that stated he was admitted to a psychiatric facility for treatment for hearing voices telling him to fight for ISIS? He went for help, he was admitted, apparently he needed more help that he either refused or didn't have access to. As a veteran, do you know how hard it is to get timely mental health appointments?

I'm not surprised by any of this in light of the fact that he is an Iraq combat veteran. He served his country and somewhere along the way, he didn't get the help he needed. I'm not blaming anyone else but him for his actions, however, the signs were perfectly clear that he needed more help than he got.

He is not associated with ISIS and if it turns out he is in direct contact with them, I'll eat my slippers. Ok I won't but I'll admit I was wrong. I really would be completely shocked if it turns out he actually has terrorist ties.

 

[katydid23]

He was deployed in Iraq.

He walked into an FBI office in 2016, and said he was being forced to fight for ISIS. He was hearing voices apparently.

I have seen other videos of Isis related terrorists, giving that 1 finger salute in video cams, as evidence they were doing the violence in support of ISIS. So seeing a Puerto Rican wearing the khafiya, giving the salute, after telling the FBI he was fighting the urge to support ISIS, it seems impossible not to think that this violent assault was not an extremist terrorist action by him, imo.

 

[katydid23]

Did you miss the links that stated he was admitted to a psychiatric facility for treatment for hearing voices telling him to fight for ISIS? He went for help, he was admitted, apparently he needed more help that he either refused or didn't have access to. As a veteran, do you know how hard it is to get timely mental health appointments?

I'm not surprised by any of this in light of the fact that he is an Iraq combat veteran. He served his country and somewhere along the way, he didn't get the help he needed. I'm not blaming anyone else but him for his actions, however, the signs were perfectly clear that he needed more help than he got.

He is not associated with ISIS and if it turns out he is in direct contact with them, I'll eat my slippers. Ok I won't but I'll admit I was wrong. I really would be completely shocked if it turns out he actually has terrorist ties.

I don't think he has any direct ties with them. But I do think he might have become radicalized and did this action in support of them.

 

[Tawny]

I don't think he has any direct ties with them. But I do think he might have become radicalized and did this action in support of them.

To be perfectly honest, in my opinion, this is why it's so hard to identify, diagnose, treat, and prevent some of these incidents. It's easier to say it was terrorism because then there's a bad guy, a boogeyman, to blame.

 

[CARIIS]

Oh brother this is so so bad. Now eveyone in the world knows how to get a gun into any US airport. Noone cares of one is arriving or departing people in mass to shoot at.

Was born down there know that airport. Actually decent not really insane relativliy small logical to navigate.

Did many of you know you could pack a gun? I am surprised this method has not been used before.

Implications enormous - look at all that madness - people could have gotten bombs on jetliners, now all they need to is have two or three of them and when everyone runs everywhere they can put bombs on a couple of planes


TSA useless before, now totally undone all airports anyones. This guy sounds like it was pure mental does not matter everyone knows now boy

 

[CARIIS]

Did you miss the links that stated he was admitted to a psychiatric facility for treatment for hearing voices telling him to fight for ISIS? He went for help, he was admitted, apparently he needed more help that he either refused or didn't have access to. As a veteran, do you know how hard it is to get timely mental health appointments?

I'm not surprised by any of this in light of the fact that he is an Iraq combat veteran. He served his country and somewhere along the way, he didn't get the help he needed. I'm not blaming anyone else but him for his actions, however, the signs were perfectly clear that he needed more help than he got.

He is not associated with ISIS and if it turns out he is in direct contact with them, I'll eat my slippers. Ok I won't but I'll admit I was wrong. I really would be completely shocked if it turns out he actually has terrorist ties.

This is gonna be like planned parenthood-


I agree psychotic ABC news reproting FBI talked to him in Alaska and he was not making sense. Dont know of too many terrorist who lie down on the floor calmly to wait to get handicuffed

 

[NCTeacher]

Well now I know how narrow-minded I was before today. When heard his name was Esteban Santiago, I had a momentary feeling of relief of "shew, maybe not Isis or al-Quaeda today." Goes to show that Isis appeals beyond ethnicity. Heck there is probably a John Smith out there engrossed in this ideology.

 

[Tawny]

Until there is MSM showing that he supported the ideology beyond "I'm hearing voices, I need psych help", I'm not going to embrace the theory that he was a radicalized home-grown extremist.

I mean c'mon. Lots of schizophrenics hear the devil speaking to them, do we really believe they're suddenly satanists or actually communing with the prince of darkness?? But because he mentions ISIS then yep he's a terrorist. ???

It's not so cut and dry, IMHO.

 

[AmyPond]

Well now I know how narrow-minded I was before today. When heard his name was Esteban Santiago, I had a momentary feeling of relief of "shew, maybe not Isis or al-Quaeda today." Goes to show that Isis appeals beyond ethnicity. Heck there is probably a John Smith out there engrossed in this ideology.

Except we still don't know if he was really in with ISIS or if he was just hearing voices.

 

[1&2&3]

When discussing whether this was a terrorist attack or not, let's think of the terror everyone in that airport suffered!

This was a life changing day for many people that we will never hear about. Were the people in baggage claim and the airport detained all day to be interviewed?

There are also the poor people who have been caged on the planes ready to take off. Yes, to me it is caged as their rights have been taken from them and they have no options! When is the day going to come that someone on a detained plane goes "crazy" and a drastic event occurs?

It is time for airports to have better security measures. People cannot be held on planes for hours. It is inhuman! Luggage with guns need to be personally claimed at a window. There is always a lost luggage window, so that would be an ideal location. A special luggage tag, held by the owner, would have to be presented.

This incident is unfortunately the test for a follow up copy cat that we will see in the future. While it probably was not planned as such, the fact that it worked, will be used again.

My opinions only.