FL - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 40 counts to classified documents and obstruction of justice, June 2023, Trial May 2024

[Elliot_Alderson]

I already know the responses from DT. "WITCH HUNT" "DOJ is being used to retaliate against me" "DOJ AND FBI are corrupt". He says these things, his base buys it, and then what? We have half of America that thinks the FBI and DOJ are out to get the MAGA crowd and not actually federal law enforcement entities? MOO

 

[MyBelle]

He screwed up the covid response - no response - and his base bought it hook line and sinker.

That was a true threat to the Country.

He claimed he won the election and that there is voter fraud and instigated the Capitol riots - and his base bought it hook line and sinker.

That was a true threat to the Country.

So it is extremely likely that his base will buy the "Witch Hunt" mentality:

"The Feds are unfairly targeting me to derail my Presidential hopes"

2 Cents

Trump has targeted himself. His base reminds me of a cult following. Fortunately, there aren't enough of them to get the liar elected to another term.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Trump has targeted himself. His base reminds me of a cult following. Fortunately, there aren't enough of them to get the liar elected to another term.

JMO

Yup.

We know, as you say:

"there aren't enough of them to get the liar elected to another term."

How do we know this?

Simple. There weren't enough of them to get him elected to another term already. This has already happened (2020) and nothing has changed, well federal charges!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Canada checking in.

So this means he’s seriously facing charges? And I understand his lawyers quit. Or is this some political move that won’t stick to him? (He was impeached twice and that didn’t seem to affect him, from my view over here.)

ETA: I’m following the live updates, but I’m unsure if people believe the charges will stick.

 

[Sillybilly]

44 pg Indictment pdf: Case 9:23-cr-80101-AMC Document 3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/08/2023

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

Thank you Seattle1. We've included the above link to the Indictment in the Opening Post of this thread for easy reference going forward.

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667270502203678721

 

[Lexiintoronto]

So it’s likely Melania that wouldn’t make room for classified documents because LUGGAGE was taking up room.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667236674730860560

 

[Leilei]

So it’s likely Melania that wouldn’t make room for classified documents because LUGGAGE was taking up room.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667236674730860560

I initially thought Ivanka, but now I believe it's Melania.

 

[MyBelle]

So it’s likely Melania that wouldn’t make room for classified documents because LUGGAGE was taking up room.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667236674730860560

I doubt she knew her husband was going through the boxes so he could throw stuff away and pretend they didn't exist.

JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

So it’s likely Melania that wouldn’t make room for classified documents because LUGGAGE was taking up room.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667236674730860560

I'm sure she was plenty sick of the stacks of boxes taking up space everywhere. In my mind, I was envisioning a few small filing boxes that sort of got lost among some other things. I was not prepared to see dedicated rooms filled with stacks of filing boxes. This is so much worse than what I imagined. My goodness, that bathroom!!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I initially thought Ivanka, but now I believe it's Melania.

I can’t tell who is who on Twitter anymore, but the consensus seems to be that it was Melania.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667243702236880914

 

[anneg]

I can’t tell who is who on Twitter anymore, but the consensus seems to be that it was Melania.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667243702236880914

Wait, these texts between Melania (most likely) and Nauta were on May 30, 2022. They have nothing to do with the move from the White House the previous year. They have to do with boxes being taken to Bedminster. IMO

 

[Stunned]

According to the indictment, Trump allegedly told his attorneys after he got a subpoena to return the documents, "I don't want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don't."

He also asked, "What happens if we just don't respond at all?"

"Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here," the document says he asked.

Then, "Well look isn't it better if there are no documents?"

Nauta removes boxes from Trump storage and then texts Melania (ABC News believes it is her)

(Melania) "Good afternoon Walt, Happy Memorial Day! I saw you put boxes to Potus room. Just FYI and I will tell him as well: Not sure how many he wants to take on Friday on the plane. We will NOT have a room for them. Plane will be full with luggage. Thank you!"

(Nauta) "Good Afternoon Ma’am [Smiley Face Emoji] Thank you so much. I think he wanted to pick from them. I don’t imagine him wanting to take the boxes. He told me to put them in the room and that he was going to talk to you about them."

MSN

So Melania also? Not surprised in the least!

 

[Stunned]

“We have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667249235471880193

We needed a hero, and got one!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Wait, these texts between Melania (most likely) and Nauta were on May 30, 2022. They have nothing to do with the move from the White House the previous year. They have to do with boxes being taken to Bedminster. IMO

Sorry! I appreciate the correction.
I have to follow this through a filter of opinions because I don’t fully understand the context.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Mystery female Trump family member allegedly involved in decisions over secret papers

Prosecutors allege that a relative addressed only as ‘ma’am’ had a text conversation with one of the former president’s aides about what to do with piles of government documents

www.independent.co.uk

ABC News reported that the woman was likely to be Mr Trump's wife Melania, citing inside sources.

Prosecutors claim that Mr Trump schemed to keep hold of some documents in defiance of a legal order to give them back, while storing them insecurely at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida while tens of thousands of guests came and went.

Mr Trump contends that he is "an innocent man" and that the charges are "a hoax" contrived by his political enemies.

According to the indictment, Mr Trump's family member became involved on 30 May 2022, just day before a lawyer was due to search his storage room for classified documents demanded by the government.

Before that happened, Mr Trump allegedly asked Mr Nauta to remove 64 boxes from their storage room and bring them to his private residence, meaning they would not be present for the lawyer to search.

That day, the family member allegedly texted Mr Nauta: "Good afternoon, Walt. Happy Memorial Day! I saw you put boxes to POTUS' room.

"Just FYI, and I will tell him as well: not sure how many he wants to take on Friday on the plane. We will NOT have room for them. Plane will be full with luggage. Thank you!"

Mr Nauta replied with a smiley face emoji, saying: "Good afternoon ma'am. Thank you so much. I think he wanted to pick from them. I don't imagine him wanting to take the boxes.

"He told me to put them in the room and that he was going to talk to you about them."

 

[musicaljoke]

Mystery female Trump family member allegedly involved in decisions over secret papers

Prosecutors allege that a relative addressed only as ‘ma’am’ had a text conversation with one of the former president’s aides about what to do with piles of government documents

www.independent.co.uk

ABC News reported that the woman was likely to be Mr Trump's wife Melania, citing inside sources.

Prosecutors claim that Mr Trump schemed to keep hold of some documents in defiance of a legal order to give them back, while storing them insecurely at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida while tens of thousands of guests came and went.

Mr Trump contends that he is "an innocent man" and that the charges are "a hoax" contrived by his political enemies.

According to the indictment, Mr Trump's family member became involved on 30 May 2022, just day before a lawyer was due to search his storage room for classified documents demanded by the government.

Before that happened, Mr Trump allegedly asked Mr Nauta to remove 64 boxes from their storage room and bring them to his private residence, meaning they would not be present for the lawyer to search.

That day, the family member allegedly texted Mr Nauta: "Good afternoon, Walt. Happy Memorial Day! I saw you put boxes to POTUS' room.

"Just FYI, and I will tell him as well: not sure how many he wants to take on Friday on the plane. We will NOT have room for them. Plane will be full with luggage. Thank you!"

Mr Nauta replied with a smiley face emoji, saying: "Good afternoon ma'am. Thank you so much. I think he wanted to pick from them. I don't imagine him wanting to take the boxes.

"He told me to put them in the room and that he was going to talk to you about them."

Is it possible T still has more files? Did he pick some out to hide elsewhere?

I wonder.

 

[MrsWatson]

MOO

The indictment is very straightforward, filled with his own actions and words outlining obvious crimes.

The very broad descriptions of material he unlawfully retained is frightening.

How much of it is already in the wrong hands?

 

[JerseyGirl]

What's in the Trump indictment: US nuclear secrets and files kept in shower

Donald Trump is accused of keeping classified documents in a ballroom and bathroom at his Florida home.

www.bbc.com

The 49-page indictment contains the first-ever federal charges against a former US president. It says the classified documents Mr Trump stored in his boxes contained information about:

• United States nuclear programmes
• Defence and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries
• Potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack
• Plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack

Prosecutors say that when Mr Trump left office, he took about 300 classified files to Mar-a-Lago - his oceanfront home in Palm Beach, which is also an expansive private members' club.

The charge sheet notes that Mar-a-Lago hosted events for tens of thousands of members and guests, including in a ballroom where documents were found.

Prosecutors say Mr Trump tried to obstruct the FBI inquiry into the missing documents by suggesting that his lawyer "hide or destroy" them, or tell investigators he did not have them.

"Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?" Mr Trump said to one of his attorneys, according to the indictment.

Mar-a-Lago "was not an authorised location" for classified documents to be kept or discussed, the indictment says.

Some files were allegedly stored on stage in the ballroom, where events and gatherings took place - and later in a bathroom and a shower, an office space, and Mr Trump's bedroom.

On two occasions in 2021, the former president showed classified documents to people without security clearance, including a writer and two members of staff.

At his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, which was also an "unauthorised location", he is said to have displayed and described a "plan of attack" that he told others had been prepared for him by the Department of Defense.

"As president I could have declassified it. Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret," Mr Trump allegedly said, according to an audio recording.

Prosecutors say Mr Trump then showed off classified documents again in August or September 2021 at the Bedminster club.

The former US president "showed a representative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map".

This map "related to a military operation" and Mr Trump told the person "he should not be showing it" to them and they "should not get too close".

 

[JerseyGirl]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/national-archives-refutes-trump-claim-classified-documents-indictment/index.html

Former Trump attorney Tim Parlatore, who worked on the classified documents case before leaving the former President’s legal team in recent weeks, mischaracterized the Presidential Records Act repeatedly during TV appearances this week, including on CNN Thursday night.

Parlatore said that a President “is supposed to take the next two years after they leave office to go through all these documents to figure out what’s personal and what’s presidential.”

In its statement Friday, the National Archives flatly disputed that claim, stating, “There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports.”

Asked about Parlatore’s comments that presidents have two years to go through their records after leaving office, Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, told CNN, “The statement is false.”

“Only during his time in office does a President have the right to go through his records to separate what may be ‘personal records’ of his, from official records within the scope of the Presidential Records Act,” Baron added.