FL - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 40 counts to classified documents and obstruction of justice, June 2023, Trial May 2024

[SouthAussie]

Insanity

why is he free as a bird? Usually traitors are behind bars before trial because of flight risks

Back in 2020, Brigadier General Peter B. Zwack (retired) thought that DT could be a flight risk. Due to all the charges that Zwack thought would rain down on DT once he was no longer president.


"He said it.
Earlier this month, at a campaign rally in Macon, Georgia, President Donald Trump mused aloud to the crowd about what he might do if he loses the election on November 3. “Maybe I’ll have to leave the country, I don’t know,” Trump said."

Opinion | Is President Donald Trump a Flight Risk?

Yes, this sounds like a B-grade spy novel. But consider the evidence.

www.politico.com

 

[passionflower]

Trump poses 'danger' and meets standard for pre-trial det...

The former president called for supporters to rally outside the federal courthouse in Miami where he is set to be arraigned on Tuesday.

www.newsweek.com

Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor who now acts as a legal analyst focused on the many cases against Trump, shared a screenshot of Trump's post to Twitter on Saturday, presenting it as evidence that the former president should qualify for pre-trial detention.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667510154722529282

People still believe his crap how stupid! Heaven help us all

 

[passionflower]

I reread his nieces book (Mary Trump) and she tried to tell us how dysfunctional the whole family was and how he was raised. He’s a fraud, liar and mentally unstable IMOO

 

[MyBelle]

William Barr says Trump may be ‘toast’ after ‘very damning’ indictment

Former attorney general who has largely broken with Trump ‘shocked by the degree of sensitivity’ of documents

www.theguardian.com

“I do think we have to wait and see what the defense says and what proves to be true. But I do think … if even half of it is true, then he’s toast … It’s a very detailed indictment and it’s very damning,” said Barr.

Barr added: “The government’s agenda was to … protect those documents and get them out and I think it was perfectly appropriate to do that. It was the right thing to do.”

Barr went on to push back against Trump’s narrative that he is the victim of a broader government “hoax”, saying: “Presenting Trump as a victim here, the victim of a witch-hunt, is ridiculous.”

“He’s been a victim in the past. His adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims and I’ve been at his side defending against him when he is a victim, but this is much different. He’s not a victim here,” said Barr.

Barr said: “. Those documents are among the most sensitive secrets that the country has. They have to be in the custody of the archivist. He had no right to maintain them and retain them. And he kept them in a way at Mar-a-Lago that anyone who really cares about national security, their stomach would churn at it,” he added.

BBM. Bravo to Barr for pointing this out! Trump was a victim of the Russia, Russia hoax and it is unfortunate that nothing was done to the other instigators. I'm glad Barr is speaking up, trying to open some very closed eyes as to what is really going on now and it is something far more dangerous.

I think what Barr is trying to point out is the reality of Trump's "MAGA" is comprised of the far-right, corrupt movement called White Nationalism or Christian Nationalism and what Trump has done is a threat to our Democracy. There are far too many members of Congress who identify with this movement and consider Trump their "leader." They claim to be "pro-life" and of deeply religious Christian faith and totally ignore the many religious scripture references to "Thou shalt not lie."

I'm aghast that Trump so arrogantly flipped the bird to not only our national security but he also endangered the security of so many of our allies. And the bottom line was to line his own pockets quite literally with gold.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Dunno. I don't think those boxes were in the bathroom just because.
I think that ugly room was pretty convenient for any buddy foreign (enemy) agent to get access to top secret matters in a rather easy, discreet and inconspicuous way. Who knows who really had to go in precisely that bathroom, phone camera in hand.
Dunno. It reeks of treason.

IMO, of course.

Remember this?

2020
Lu Jing, 56, was the second Chinese national to be arrested for trespassing last year at the resort [Mar A Lago] where Trump often visits.
... on Dec. 18 when she entered the property and began taking pictures.

In March of last year, another Chinese national, Yujing Zhang, passed an initial Secret Service checkpoint by passing herself off as a relative of a resort member.
She said she walked onto the property and began taking cellphone pictures.
A security guard told the jury he tried to tell her she was not allowed .... She left but then came back onto the property through another entrance, he said.

Chinese woman who intruded at Mar-a-Lago sentenced to six months

A Chinese woman who was acquitted of trespassing at U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida was sentenced to six months in jail on Friday on a separate charge of resisting arrest.

www.reuters.com

 

[JerseyGirl]

Trump plans to head to Florida Monday as search for expanded legal team continues: Sources

Donald Trump is expected to head to Florida midday Monday ahead of his first appearance Tuesday before a federal judge, sources familiar with the planning told ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

Trump is expected to head to Florida a day before his court appearance to meet with potential legal counsel for in-person interviews, the sources said.

The hunt for new counsel comes after Trump's attorneys on this case, Jim Trusty and John Rowley, resigned on Friday -- just hours after Trump was informed of the indictment.

 

[Jovi Girl]

Will the indictment be delayed if he doesn’t have representation ?

 

[Arkay]

I'm aghast that Trump so arrogantly flipped the bird to not only our national security but he also endangered the security of so many of our allies. And the bottom line was to line his own pockets quite literally with gold.

It’s so incredibly damaging to our country, in multiple aspects.

In absconding with these vital documents, Trump did indeed not only carve a path for our enemies to know Top Secret plans concerning America, but jeopardized our standing with our allies.

He single-handedly exposed our allies’ Top Secret information, as well. How can Israel, England, Ukraine, France, Germany, Japan and so on ever share necessary information with us when the President took their business home with him and stored it in his bathroom and his other hiding places?

And to what end? So he can (at least figuratively) kiss and cuddle up with these classified documents to remind himself of his glory days. When people called him “Sir” and played “Hail to the Chief” and saluted him.

IMO he treats classified documents like postcards to be dangled around in front of his inner circle. Maybe wring some more cash from his donors.

This one man has caused so much incalculable damage to America, damage which I fear is only at the cusp of being unraveled.

I know no politics here so I won’t explain but even though I am born and bred in NYC, I’m a Republican. I have my reasons. But I do want to state that there are millions of Republicans who are repulsed by Trump and always have been.

I don’t need anyone to vote for me. I figure a lot of Republican leaders are going with the Trump flow because they need votes. And some few are true Trump acolytes.

All JMO

 

[Stunned]

Wouldn't be surprised if he removed some of the sensitive secret docs out of the country to his estate in Scotland especially if he had future plans for them. That thought horrifies me. Why did he have this material and what did he intend to use them for?

And what has he already done?

 

[SouthAussie]

Will the indictment be delayed if he doesn’t have representation ?

DT has already chosen some representation for this case - Todd Blanche. He is looking for additional representation.


Former President Donald Trump says he has picked a lawyer from his New York criminal case to represent him in his newly indicted federal classified documents case.

Trump posted Friday on his Truth Social platform that Todd Blanche will lead his defense in the federal case, along with “a firm to be named later,” replacing his previous lawyers, Jim Trusty and John Rowley.

Trump picks lawyer from NY criminal case for classified documents charges

Donald Trump posted Friday on his Truth Social platform that Todd Blanche will lead his defense in the federal case, along with “a firm to be named later,” replacing his previous lawyers, Jim Trusty and John Rowley.

www.pbs.org

 

[TootsieFootsie]

People have gone to prison "for far less" than Trump's charges, expert says - ABC listen

Donald Trump's former US Attorney General Bill Barr has said he's 'toast' if even half of the latest charges against him are true.

www.abc.net.au

Audio 3 min, 9 seconds.

ABC radio, The World Today. Australian radio.

 

[MyBelle]

It’s so incredibly damaging to our country, in multiple aspects.

In absconding with these vital documents, Trump did indeed not only carve a path for our enemies to know Top Secret plans concerning America, but jeopardized our standing with our allies.

He single-handedly exposed our allies’ Top Secret information, as well. How can Israel, England, Ukraine, France, Germany, Japan and so on ever share necessary information with us when the President took their business home with him and stored it in his bathroom and his other hiding places?

And to what end? So he can (at least figuratively) kiss and cuddle up with these classified documents to remind himself of his glory days. When people called him “Sir” and played “Hail to the Chief” and saluted him.

IMO he treats classified documents like postcards to be dangled around in front of his inner circle. Maybe wring some more cash from his donors.

This one man has caused so much incalculable damage to America, damage which I fear is only at the cusp of being unraveled.

I know no politics here so I won’t explain but even though I am born and bred in NYC, I’m a Republican. I have my reasons. But I do want to state that there are millions of Republicans who are repulsed by Trump and always have been.

I don’t need anyone to vote for me. I figure a lot of Republican leaders are going with the Trump flow because they need votes. And some few are true Trump acolytes.

All JMO

BBM. This one man and his cult of followers has set women's reproductive rights back 50 years and I'm disgusted with all of them. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with living in a country with a foundation of respecting all human rights.

Now, we also have to worry about how badly the narcissistic jerk has compromised our national security. I think he should be thrown in jail at his arraignment on Tuesday just as the Jan. 6th defendants were tossed in the slammer.

Hopefully, going forward, all voters-- no matter their party affiliation--will take the time to examine the character of the candidate before casting their vote in 2024.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

People have gone to prison "for far less" than Trump's charges, expert says - ABC listen

Donald Trump's former US Attorney General Bill Barr has said he's 'toast' if even half of the latest charges against him are true.

www.abc.net.au

Audio 3 min, 9 seconds.

ABC radio, The World Today. Australian radio.

DT's response (at 1:07 min mark) ...... "DT took to Truth Social to call Mr Barr lazy and weak. Urging his followers to turn off Fox News when 'that gutless pig is on' ".

 

[Jovi Girl]

His only hope would be to maybe plead that he has some sort of dementia and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Of course, he would need to exit the presidential race, but maybe that’s all he can get out of that. I personally believe there is something like that going on with him. IMHO

 

[MyBelle]

DT's response (at 1:07 min mark) ...... "DT took to Truth Social to call Mr Barr lazy and weak. Urging his followers to turn off Fox News when 'that gutless pig is on' ".

Typical toxic narcissist: blame everybody but yourself.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

His only hope would be to maybe plead that he has some sort of dementia and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Of course, he would need to exit the presidential race, but maybe that’s all he can get out of that. I personally believe there is something like that going on with him. IMHO

I agree, there is something going on. His family needs to force him to see a neurologist.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Too much of a coincidence that out of 1000's of file boxes these specific documents just so happen to relate to Five Eyes.

Let's rethink this.

There is a brown shoe in the photo, obviously this is the person who took the photo. I believe.

Is it not beyond reason that this person deliberately scattered the files around then took the photo?

I think it is highly probable. If a person were reading the documents they would absolutely not read them like this.

They would take the files to a table and go over them.

I think someone is screwing with Trump with this document floor mess. Highly suspect.

2 Cents

Nah; it's most probably Nauta's shoe showing up in the photo he took and then texted (all the article's state the photo is one Nauta texted out). He's charged in this too, in case you missed it.

So I think your theory about the shoe belonging to whoever took the photo is bang on, but "suspect"?? Nope ... Maybe Nauta knocked it over by accident ... whatever ... but his texted photo is proof that he too knew he was moving classified docs around. Co-conspirator.

I am actually interested in finding out "who" the text was sent to that responded "Oh no oh no" ... Trump? Or some other individual who then was also more than fully aware of classified docs being handled (thus available for prying eyes) willy-nilly throughout the house.

Oh, I'm also pretty certain that Nauta's phone records were subpoenaed. But I agree - taking photos of classified docs you're not entitled to see is pretty stupid, but so is carrying on assisting in their movement after they were subpoenaed for turn over for even a single hot instant after you knew there was classified stuff amongst them. It's really a 'mess' around and find out moment for him too isn't it?

 

[Lilibet]

I am actually interested in finding out "who" the text was sent to that responded "Oh no oh no" ... Trump? Or some other individual who then was also more than fully aware of classified docs being handled (thus available for prying eyes) willy-nilly throughout the house.

Page 14 of the indictment says that Nauta texted the photo of the files on the floor to “Trump Employee 2.” So it wasn’t Trump, but another employee, who was also fully aware of the classified documents being stored here and there.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

 

[La Louve]

I wonder why they have never searched Bedminster, especially given the details in the indictment?

(I'm still catching up on this thread so maybe someone else already has replied.)

Maybe there are documents buried with Ivana. *only half joking*

I recall that at the time there was considerable discussion of how odd it was that she was buried on the Bedminster golf course.

She died in July 2022. The FBI executed the Mar-a-Lago search warrant in August '22.

Hmmmmmm

 

[Lilibet]

(I'm still catching up on this thread so maybe someone else already has replied.)

Maybe there are documents buried with Ivana. *only half joking*

I recall that at the time there was considerable discussion of how odd it was that she was buried on the Bedminster golf course.

She died in July 2022. The FBI executed the Mar-a-Lago search warrant in August '22.

Hmmmmmm

It’s tempting to think documents were buried with Ivana, but Snopes says that theory is “unfounded” FWIW. Personally, I consider Snopes an unbiased source. Note that they don’t say it’s “false.”

There's No Evidence Ivana Trump Was Cremated

A baseless conspiracy theory held that she was cremated and that a casket supposedly for her was instead filled with classified and top secret documents.

www.snopes.com