FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *4 Guilty* #26

[Knitpicker]

I meant that Rashbaum should have told the Adelsons that CA would likely be convicted, rather than leave them with false hope.

I pretty sure Rashbaum did know that DA intended to flee. From a pretrial argument.

Rashbaum told Everett, the presiding judge in both of the Adelsons prosecutions, that she applied for a Visa with the State Department, used her own passport and talked to her lawyers about it “to make sure she wasn’t committing a crime.”
(Emphasis added)

Judge allows state arguments about Donna Adelson's attempted flight to Vietnam

Donna Adelson appeared Friday at the Leon County Courthouse on a flurry of pre-trial motions ahead of a scheduled Sept. 16 trial.

www.tallahassee.com

I meant when Donna told Charlie that Rashbaum had something to tell HIM…Charlie may not have known they were fleeing. Do you think Charlie knew?

 

[IQuestion]

Just to clarify:
On one recorded call – captured a few days after Charlie’s conviction – Donna can be overheard speaking after she thought the call had dropped. She and they were discussing their plans to flee to a non-extradition country and hoping to avoid one possibility Rashbaum warned of – that while they may get out in time, they could get stopped at the airport.

Attorney conflicts, delays — seeking justice for Dan Markel continues

Donna Adelson’s lawyer Dan Rashbaum withdraws due to "severe" conflict, causing painful (but promising) trial delay

floridapolitics.com

Sounds like Rashbaum was saying their odds were 50/50 for DA and HA getting out of the country "in time" before a warrant was issued for an arrest. (Rashbaum told Charlie he scored a "95" on his testimony. Yeah sure, on a scale of 1 to a thousand!)
Who told Rashbaum a warrant was imminent?

 

[IQuestion]

I meant when Donna told Charlie that Rashbaum had something to tell HIM…Charlie may not have known they were fleeing. Do you think Charlie knew?

YES! It only makes sense since HA made contact with SRadius after so many years. (HA had to obtained a current phone number from someone. ) Who else would have known about
the amounts of money SRadius was holding for CA in Viet Nam?
Early on I thought CA had no idea. But after listening to his call with MM (cousin) I feel CA was giving the green light on their plans.

 

[apeXperience]

Who told Rashbaum a warrant was imminent?

• As transcribed in Donna Adelson PCA, what transpires from Charles Adelson's trial about Donna Adelson's alleged involvement in the murder is so massive that YT click bait talking heads were asking when (instead of if) will State labeled Un-indicted Co-conspirator Donna Adelson be arrested
• Lawyer "T" said on one of the YT click baits that an arrest warrant "could be" in the way for Donna Adelson
• Charles Adelson was arrested subsequent to a Grand Jury indictment
• It is public knowledge that Fall 2023 Grand Jury meets on Wednesday November 15, 2023

Hence, all involved including Rashbaum intuited that an arrest warrant for Donna Adelson is in the way by November 16, 2023.

Early on I thought CA had no idea. But after listening to his call with MM (cousin) I feel CA was giving the green light on their plans.

• As transcribed in Donna Adelson PCA, the recorded jail calls included Donna Adelson discussing with Charlie the possibility of s#ic*d3 or get out to a country without extradition
• However, the informant who alerted TPD and FBI revealed that the escape itinerary was sophisticated (Dubai, Vietnam … and The Philippines) and explicit instruction was made to the informant to keep dear Charlie uninformed of the escape plan
• As it turned out, the informant was Scott Radius, and he was tasked by Charlie for over years to keep Charlie’s assets in Vietnam … in the name of Scott Radius

Attached is the PCA of Donna Adelson to answer the many details some people may have forgotten.
(WS says the PCA file is too large. Sorry)

 

[TwinkieDefense]

I wonder why DA and HA didn’t just charter a private pilot to fly them to parts unknown?

 

[GraceG]

I wonder why DA and HA didn’t just charter a private pilot to fly them to parts unknown?

Private pilots can't legally provide charter service to anyone. To do charter in the US you have to be licensed as a (part 135) air carrier, and as such they have to follow required passenber security protocols (may not involve TSA screen, but still some security procedures in place and approved by the FAA) and also go through standards customs if that "charter" involves leaving the US. Most private pilots aren't going to risk their license or a jail sentence to provide illegal charter. It does go on (a lot actually in some area, like Florida to various islands) but even those flights are flown by commercial pilots - their employer just not having gone through the lengthy certification required to be an charter operation.

But if these guys were "connected"(as in organized crime ties), you are spot on in your question, such groups often have planes and pilots at their disposal and obeying the law isn't high on their list of priorities.

 

[TwinkieDefense]

Private pilots can't legally provide charter service to anyone. To do charter in the US you have to be licensed as a (part 135) air carrier, and as such they have to follow required passenber security protocols (may not involve TSA screen, but still some security procedures in place and approved by the FAA) and also go through standards customs if that "charter" involves leaving the US. Most private pilots aren't going to risk their license or a jail sentence to provide illegal charter. It does go on (a lot actually in some area, like Florida to various islands) but even those flights are flown by commercial pilots - their employer just not having gone through the lengthy certification required to be an charter operation.

But if these guys were "connected"(as in organized crime ties), you are spot on in your question, such groups often have planes and pilots at their disposal and obeying the law isn't high on their list of priorities.

Very interesting. Thanks once again @GraceG. I suspect if you’ve got the $ anything is possible. Seems like if enough money was offered for an untouchable life away from the U.S., someone would be willing to take that chance.

So, even with all their wealth, they’re getting away with nothing at all. All their lives are in tatters.

 

[LinasK]

If Rashbaum knew that Donna & Harvey were intended to flee and didn't report it to anybody, shouldn't that get him into trouble with the Florida Bar- like isn't there a duty to report???

 

[Zedzded]

If Rashbaum knew that Donna & Harvey were intended to flee and didn't report it to anybody, shouldn't that get him into trouble with the Florida Bar- like isn't there a duty to report???

I think the warrant was only issued after it became apparent the Adelsons had bought one way tickets to Vietnam. They phoned him prior and asked him will we get out on time, i.e will we be able to fly to Vietnam before they arrest us and he responded "you might."

Not illegal, but certainly not ethical. He wasn't exactly discouraging his clients to not flee.

 

[IQuestion]

Ugh, I tried to highlight something and erased by mistake.

 

[TwinkieDefense]

I hear ya' TWINKIE D from post #325 Yup it probably would have worked if they presented "stolen/borrowed" passports. My idea of fleeing serious charges, would be far more covert than the Boris Badenov & Natasha Fatale (aka H & D) plans these two chose to make. Steal or obtain through some nefarious means the passports of another elderly couple, patient, friend, relative or condo neighbor.
Make reservations at two airports: one with stolen Passport ID & early departure and one with real ID for a much later time of departure. LE would be waiting at the wrong airport and DA would already be long gone?
Or, take CA's boat outside international waters, radio a fake SOS call, and get on another "prearranged" Flag Ship registered to a non-extradition country?
(On the K. Armstrong case, the perp used her sister's passport to flee.)
I know using a stolen/fake passports is a serious crime, but they were running out of options.
Edit to acknowledge TwinkieDefense's post, fingers not typing very well today.

I like those new names @iQuestion…Boris Badenov & Natasha Fatale (aka H & D).

You’ve easily come up with much better schemes to escape than they did. Before CA’s guilty verdict, they could’ve hopped on a cruise, stayed at a destination, or took off from there. Planning is key. But it’s hard.

Taking off one week after alleged co-conspirator gets sent up river - at a major airport - under your own names, without the mustache, big nose, and black rimmed glasses - is foolish.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Some of these podcasters are now saying Wendi is in Colorado, as in living there. Heard it on STS and Profiling Evil for sure. I believe one of the podcasters mentioned Jorge also in Colorado.

Anyway, just getting in the groove for this trial to start late August.

 

[TwinkieDefense]

This has probably been brought up before and I could have missed it.

If Wendi is involved, why would she stick around the US instead of fleeing to non extradition locations? Is there a legal order requirement for her not to leave the country?

 

[opt]

This has probably been brought up before and I could have missed it.

If Wendi is involved, why would she stick around the US instead of fleeing to non extradition locations? Is there a legal order requirement for her not to leave the country?

Fleeing would be an admission of guilt to her sons. That will never happen as long as her sons believe in her innocence.

 

[Montrealaise]

In anticipation of Donna Adelson acting the playwright master piece of her life on the stand, the State Attorneys have motioned for the defendant’s testimony transcripts, and the Judge ordered accordingly.

These transcripts will show that Donna Adelson’s attorneys argued in favor of her bail application:

• Assault by jail mate resulting in shoulder pain
• Extortion of commissaries by jail mates
• Lack of opportunity for exercises (the Adelsons are avid tennis players)
• Lack of proper medical expertise for her narrow ear canal care
• One third of body weight gain due to carbohydrate based diet lacking protein and fresh fibers

Hence, “prospering” is rather subjective.

Excess weight gain is a sign of prosperity in minority slums of G7 economies and third world countries. Excess weight gain is a sign of decline due to poor diet, lack of exercises, and inadequate medical care for affluent people such as Donna Adelson.

No opportunity to play tennis in jail? Not enough protein and fiber in jailhouse meals? Did DA think jail was going to be like a resort? She could compare notes with Erin Patterson, the Australian woman who has just been convicted of several counts of murder and attempted murder after she served her in-laws Beef Wellington she prepared with death cap mushrooms (only one survived). Ms. Patterson also complained endlessly about her jailhouse detention (her cell wasn't the right temperature and on and on) until the guards had to her that it was a jail, not a hotel.

Edit: Someone should remind both "ladies" of the saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

 

[Knitpicker]

This has probably been brought up before and I could have missed it.

If Wendi is involved, why would she stick around the US instead of fleeing to non extradition locations? Is there a legal order requirement for her not to leave the country?

Tim Jansen on STS said the FBI isnt following Wendi. So she is free to leave the country it seems

 

[Knitpicker]

Fleeing would be an admission of guilt to her sons. That will never happen as long as her sons believe in her innocence.

It is the summer and the boys are off from school so she could actually have a valid reason to leave the country -after all, she could be checking on her brothers villa in Vietnam

 

[TwinkieDefense]

Tim Jansen on STS said the FBI isnt following Wendi. So she is free to leave the country it seems

Thanks for the reply @Knitpicker.

 

[chigger]

I don't think anyone knows for sure what the FBI is doing. It's not like they are going to advertise.

 

[Zedzded]

I can't think of anything worse than prison. I'm surprised WA hasn't done something already. She has been charged. She could go to Australia for a holiday, hire a yacht and sail, undetected to Vanuata and live anonymously for the rest of her life...

That's what I would do! But she is afflicted with the old Adelson disorder - narcissism... she has deluded herself to the point where she firmly believes she's done nothing wrong.