FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *4 Guilty* #26

[LinasK]

No opportunity to play tennis in jail? Not enough protein and fiber in jailhouse meals? Did DA think jail was going to be like a resort? She could compare notes with Erin Patterson, the Australian woman who has just been convicted of several counts of murder and attempted murder after she served her in-laws Beef Wellington she prepared with death cap mushrooms (only one survived). Ms. Patterson also complained endlessly about her jailhouse detention (her cell wasn't the right temperature and on and on) until the guards had to her that it was a jail, not a hotel.

Edit: Someone should remind both "ladies" of the saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

That's exactly whom I brought up when I heard it because Erin's prison apparently DOES have a tennis court, AND a swimming pool!

 

[Knitpicker]

I don't think anyone knows for sure what the FBI is doing. It's not like they are going to advertise.

It was surprising to hear that from TJ

 

[Zedzded]

It was surprising to hear that from TJ

I take what he says and the likes of Steinbeck say with a pinch of salt. Obviously experienced trial attorneys, but they also have other agendas such as building on their social media profiles. They are too forthright in their views, especially Steinbeck, totally lacking in objectivity, his viewpoint very emotionally driven. I want that evil witch Wendi jailed yesterday, but if the evidence doesn't implicate her, I'm not going to simply say it does to make me feel better.

 

[Knitpicker]

I take what he says and the likes of Steinbeck say with a pinch of salt. Obviously experienced trial attorneys, but they also have other agendas such as building on their social media profiles. They are too forthright in their views, especially Steinbeck, totally lacking in objectivity, his viewpoint very emotionally driven. I want that evil witch Wendi jailed yesterday, but if the evidence doesn't implicate her, I'm not going to simply say it does to make me feel better.

I haven’t viewed TJ’s channel. I understand it’s about cooking.
Yes, it is all about growing the channel, views and clicks.
It is a business for many not a hobby.

Do you know if Marcia Rodriguez is on the witness list for DA’s trial?
She wasn’t at CA’s and she is the digital expert.
She was a great witness at KM’s trials.
She should have a lot of info, if it’s to be had at WA’s trials when it happens.
I do believe it is happening,

 

[apeXperience]

Do you know if Marcia Rodriguez is on the witness list for DA’s trial?
She wasn’t at CA’s and she is the digital expert.
She was a great witness at KM’s trials.

Yes, Marcia Rodriguez is listed #47 in the State's most recent witness list.
If you do not have access to the docket, I attach the State's witness list for reference.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yes, Marcia Rodriguez is listed #47 in the State's most recent witness list.
If you do not have access to the docket, I attach the State's witness list for reference.

Thank you. I was too lazy last night to look for my screenshot. Much appreciated.
Well this is interesting bc I had wondered why she wasn’t at Charlies.

 

[Knitpicker]

Can Georgia get her on this?

In an afterword to her novel, Wendi A states that “I, selfishly, wanted you to know a bit about my story, which has much – but not all – in common with Attorney Lily” (i.e. the main character in the novel)

On the stand when she was asked directly by Georgia, about whether the character Lily is based on her, she says it’s based on a “friend”. Do these lies matter?

 

[Cryptic]

Very interesting. Thanks once again @GraceG. I suspect if you’ve got the $ anything is possible.

I agree regarding money, but I would also add time as an equally important consideration.

In the end, the family would have needed the following on short notice: A pilot willing to rish his license in a clandestine flight. Arrangements made to circumvent customs in the country where they landed.

As you stated, both the pilot and the customs arrangements can be purchased. But getting both on short notice maybe hard unless one is already vetted with a connected "fixe by somebody whose name carries weight in criminal circles- say "Carlo Gambino" of NYC.

 

[Ferpo]

Tim Jansen just reported on "Surviving the Survior" YouTube show that he heard from a good source that DA had been offered a "time served" plea deal in return for turning in WA, meaning that DA could walk away if she cooperated. DA turned it down.

 

[Zedzded]

Do these lies matter?

It depends on the lie. If it's not especially relevant or important to the case then no. i.e if WA says she was wearing a blue dress on the day of the murder, despite knowing she was wearing a red dress, then no. In the context of the book, I don't think it means much.

A good example is the case of Mel Ignatow. He lied on the stand when he on trial for the murder of his wife, saying he did not kill her. He was found not guilty. However he later admitted to her murder, double jeopardy laws meant he could not be prosecuted for her murder again, but he was prosecuted for perjury and served 17 years on perjury charges.

Which is why a lot of WA's lies in court don't mean much. However if it transpires that she knew her family were planning to kill Dan, then that will be a problem for her. She lied about her families involvement in court and in the police interview. These lies, arguably enabled her family to avoid prosecution, important lies that open the door for the State to pursue perjury charges as well as Accessory charges.

 

[Zedzded]

Tim Jansen just reported on "Surviving the Survior" YouTube show that he heard from a good source that DA had been offered a "time served" plea deal in return for turning in WA, meaning that DA could walk away if she cooperated. DA turned it down.

Sorry, I do respect TJ and a lot of the other Youtube legal commentators, but I'm calling bull on this.

WA was involved, but it was DA and CA that conjured up the idea to kill Dan, planned and orchestrated the murder. WA just went along with it. She definitely deserves to go to prison, but she was not one of the primary conspirators. It makes no sense that the State would allow DA to walk free just so they can arrest WA. Why is she the bigger prize when she played a smaller role in the murder?

 

[Wishbone]

Sorry, I do respect TJ and a lot of the other Youtube legal commentators, but I'm calling bull on this.

WA was involved, but it was DA and CA that conjured up the idea to kill Dan, planned and orchestrated the murder. WA just went along with it. She definitely deserves to go to prison, but she was not one of the primary conspirators. It makes no sense that the State would allow DA to walk free just so they can arrest WA. Why is she the bigger prize when she played a smaller role in the murder?

Without WA providing the information on DM's movements a hit could not have be coordinated. She provided the necessary information needed to facilitate the murder. Plus the fact that DM had let the cat out of the bag about her illegal monetary hijinx and his lawyer had prepared the paperwork to expose her activities made it necessary to silence him asap. That makes her a primary and IMO an essential conspirator. JMOO

 

[BUF]

Tim Jansen just reported on "Surviving the Survior" YouTube show that he heard from a good source that DA had been offered a "time served" plea deal in return for turning in WA, meaning that DA could walk away if she cooperated. DA turned it down.

I had to check that out, but just don’t believe they would really have offered DA that kind of a deal.

It starts about 18:20

 

[opt]

Without WA providing the information on DM's movements a hit could not have be coordinated. She provided the necessary information needed to facilitate the murder. Plus the fact that DM had let the cat out of the bag about her illegal monetary hijinx and his lawyer had prepared the paperwork to expose her activities made it necessary to silence him asap. That makes her a primary and IMO an essential conspirator. JMOO

I am starting to believe such an offer could have been made. One reason: DA could only serve a decade or so in prison before dying, but WA could serve several decades. It's not the worst trade.

 

[Luna20]

I am starting to believe such an offer could have been made. One reason: DA could only serve a decade or so in prison before dying, but WA could serve several decades. It's not the worst trade.

Vinny on Ctv confirmed it. She would have to give up Wendy for the deal. She said no.

I just watched when WA was giving her statement to LE again. The call she made to DA was so obviously fake. They are both so rehearsed. Whenever a suspect turns the hyperventilating on and off they are usually faking it. Mom, “Danny” has been shot. She acted like she had such high regard for him, it was so syrupy. Had it been a real surprise, I doubt she would be so phoney. She wouldn’t need to be so dramatic if she wasn’t involved.

 

[Zedzded]

I am starting to believe such an offer could have been made. One reason: DA could only serve a decade or so in prison before dying, but WA could serve several decades. It's not the worst trade.

Yeah I think it has actually been made. But as someone else pointed out, it seems that perhaps this news was deliberately leaked by the Prosecution to certain members of the public. Imagine how livid State prosecutors would be if secure information critical to the trial was leaked to Youtubers.

Perhaps it's analogous with GC's statement "stay tuned." That was her letting the public know more arrests were imminent - a deliberate strategy to encourage the Adelsons to do something. Which indeed they did - straight to the airport.

So now WA knows she is in the crosshairs of the State and is one signature away from spending the rest of her life in prison. That must be nerve wracking.

 

[Knitpicker]

It depends on the lie. If it's not especially relevant or important to the case then no. i.e if WA says she was wearing a blue dress on the day of the murder, despite knowing she was wearing a red dress, then no. In the context of the book, I don't think it means much.

A good example is the case of Mel Ignatow. He lied on the stand when he on trial for the murder of his wife, saying he did not kill her. He was found not guilty. However he later admitted to her murder, double jeopardy laws meant he could not be prosecuted for her murder again, but he was prosecuted for perjury and served 17 years on perjury charges.

Which is why a lot of WA's lies in court don't mean much. However if it transpires that she knew her family were planning to kill Dan, then that will be a problem for her. She lied about her families involvement in court and in the police interview. These lies, arguably enabled her family to avoid prosecution, important lies that open the door for the State to pursue perjury charges as well as Accessory charge

Vinny on Ctv confirmed it. She would have to give up Wendy for the deal. She said no.

I just watched when WA was giving her statement to LE again. The call she made to DA was so obviously fake. They are both so rehearsed. Whenever a suspect turns the hyperventilating on and off they are usually faking it. Mom, “Danny” has been shot. She acted like she had such high regard for him, it was so syrupy. Had it been a real surprise, I doubt she would be so phoney. She wouldn’t need to be so dramatic if she wasn’t involved.

Also she told her mother to put the phone on speaker. Yet at Charlies trial, Rashbaum said that Harvey was in the shower at the time. I am very suspect of that call as well. Because you would think if Harvey was in the shower, Donna would go running to the shower and be yelling “HARVEY…..”…etc.
So something is up with that. Was Harvey even there at the time?
Donna never said when WA said to put the phone on speaker “Your father is in the shower”.

Being suspect of that call, I was shocked at CAs trial when I heard Rashbaum say that. Why was he covering for Harvey? He didn’t have to say that..or did he?
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Edit- the first copy and paste was attached by mistake. Was going to reply to that comment last night and was sidetracked. Sorry.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yeah I think it has actually been made. But as someone else pointed out, it seems that perhaps this news was deliberately leaked by the Prosecution to certain members of the public. Imagine how livid State prosecutors would be if secure information critical to the trial was leaked to Youtubers.

Perhaps it's analogous with GC's statement "stay tuned." That was her letting the public know more arrests were imminent - a deliberate strategy to encourage the Adelsons to do something. Which indeed they did - straight to the airport.

So now WA knows she is in the crosshairs of the State and is one signature away from spending the rest of her life in prison. That must be nerve wracking.

I totally agree with you and I think given the offer, TJ would represent WA if he could (along with Lauro). TJ said the offer was made “in the courthouse”. But when? Last hearing?

I also wonder where the boys would go if WA was arrested. Probably with George.

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson


In no universe would Donna turn on Wendi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952570497956495619

 

[Niner]

@cathyrusson


In no universe would Donna turn on Wendi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952570497956495619

Who is this Tally Criminal defense attorney Tim Jansen? Any connection to Donna's case, as I don't have him listed in my notes - or ?? TIA!