FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *4 Guilty* #26

[Ferpo]

Who is this Tally Criminal defense attorney Tim Jansen? Any connection to Donna's case, as I don't have him listed in my notes - or ?? TIA!

Zero connection legally to any of the Markel trials. He's just a well-known (and connected) defense attorney in town who has made a name for himself in providing Markel trial commentary, both written in the Tallahassee Democrat and also on various True Crime video outlets.

 

[Niner]

Zero connection legally to any of the Markel trials. He's just a well-known (and connected) defense attorney in town who has made a name for himself in providing Markel trial commentary, both written in the Tallahassee Democrat and also on various True Crime video outlets.

oh - okay - thanks!

 

[Knitpicker]

Who is this Tally Criminal defense attorney Tim Jansen? Any connection to Donna's case, as I don't have him listed in my notes - or ?? TIA!

He was Brian Winchesters attorney-got him a great deal snitching on Denise Williams (Mike Williams murder) also in Tallahassee

 

[nodamselindistress]

CourtTV reporting right now that the DA will neither confirm or deny the TJ rumor; the defense is definitely denying it.

If TJ rumor is true, it would seem the state just does not have enough evidence to charge Wendi.

 

[Weki]

I just heard this rumor about a deal with Donna for time-served if she gave up Wendy. I don't believe this for one second!! I'm sorry! Nope. I don't know who Tim's source is but this seems extremely unlikely to me and makes me look askance at Tim.

The state's theory has been that Donna was the master manipulator and she's the one that got the ball rolling. That this murder was carried out for Donna because she was at risk of losing her access to the boys and she wanted Dan out of her way. The state has said this over and over at every trial. The hierarhy of evil in this case is 1. Donna 2. Charlie 3. Wendi.

This supposed plea offer makes ZERO sense!! There is no frigging way the state is offering Donna time-served in order to get Wendi. No way. Tim speculates it's due to Donna's age that the state can justify a time-served offer. Again, this makes no sense. You don't get a pass on murder because you're too old!

JMO

 

[Knitpicker]

Just confirmed by Mentour lawyer that there was no deal offered to DA. He emailed Campbell and Campbell confirmed it didn’t happen

 

[Zedzded]

I don't actually think DA has much to give the State anyway. Like her son, she is a proven pathological liar with zero credibility. If she took the deal (if it exists) WA's defence lawyer would rip her to shreds. Her simply testifying that WA was complicit in the plot is insufficient. The State need her to produce evidence and I don't think she has much. I think, as has been suggested before, there was a distinct chain of communications that went DA-CA-KM-LR/SG. WA was not (IMO) part of that.

I think her and CA communicated separately about the plot and communication was minimal. I don't think DA and WA communicated about it. At least not to the point where there was anything incriminatory. i.e I don't think WA sent DA a text stating "I can't wait for Dan to be killed."

I think to some degree the Adelsons were reasonably diligent in covering their digital tracks, at least from what we know. I assume that any incriminating messaging was done via WhatsApp and most likely not retrievable. Their banal and bizarre code system was effective. Whilst it was so bad it made it obvious they were talking in code, it does still add an element of doubt. "This TV is 5" is nonsensical and is about the murder, but a defence lawyer could still argue this.

And although WA is a trainwreck, capable of really irrational, impulsive and reckless behaviour I think she was most likely cognisant of the importance of hiding her digital footprint. I think she wanted to be as disconnected from the crime as possible, for self preservation and to some degree she has been successful in that.

The State need something from DA that shows WA was complicit. An email, a text or a voicemail and I just don't think that exists. The State know that, so I'm calling on the deal.

I do think that CA probably has something to proffer the State that would persuade them to offer CA a deal. And CA would leap at the chance to make a deal. He must really despise his sister. He knows he will die in prison, so if he gets offered 20 years for WA, I believe he will take it.

 

[Zedzded]

I just heard this rumor about a deal with Donna for time-served if she gave up Wendy. I don't believe this for one second!! I'm sorry! Nope. I don't know who Tim's source is but this seems extremely unlikely to me and makes me look askance at Tim.

The state's theory has been that Donna was the master manipulator and she's the one that got the ball rolling. That this murder was carried out for Donna because she was at risk of losing her access to the boys and she wanted Dan out of her way. The state has said this over and over at every trial. The hierarhy of evil in this case is 1. Donna 2. Charlie 3. Wendi.

This supposed plea offer makes ZERO sense!! There is no frigging way the state is offering Donna time-served in order to get Wendi. No way. Tim speculates it's due to Donna's age that the state can justify a time-served offer. Again, this makes no sense. You don't get a pass on murder because you're too old!

JMO

I'm back to believing it did not happen.

 

[BUF]

I didn’t think that they would have offered DA a deal like that….they seem to have a strong case against her….topping it off with her arrest at the airport trying to board a one way to a non extradition country (think the judge will allow this). Once DA is convicted, if they think they have enough to win a conviction with Wendi, they’ll go after her then. Although it has taken a long time, they have methodically gone after one after another involved in DM’s murder.

 

[Zedzded]

From a level of culpability, whether we like it or not, this in my opinion is the order:

SG, LR, CA, KM, DA, WA, HA.


Thus it could be argued that DA is a bigger catch than WA.

 

[Knitpicker]

From a level of culpability, whether we like it or not, this in my opinion is the order:

SG, LR, CA, KM, DA, WA, HA.


Thus it could be argued that DA is a bigger catch than WA.

HA’s pockets are deeper though

 

[Weki]

DA is without a doubt a bigger catch than WA. She’s the head of the snake. I have never seen a case in all my years of trial watching where the state offers the head a deal to get the tail. It defies logic. I don’t know who told Tim this but regardless he should have dismissed it outright based on his experience of how plea deals work. The fact that he not only shared this misinformation but also fanned the flames with speculation about why the state would offer Donna such a deal makes me lose all respect and trust in his commentary moving forward. He’s an experienced defense lawyer so it’s hard for me to believe he didn’t know how ridiculous this was as soon as he heard it. I’m baffled. I used to like him. Wow.

JMO

 

[Zedzded]

DA is without a doubt a bigger catch than WA. She’s the head of the snake. I have never seen a case in all my years of trial watching where the state offers the head a deal to get the tail. It defies logic. I don’t know who told Tim this but regardless he should have dismissed it outright based on his experience of how plea deals work. The fact that he not only shared this misinformation but also fanned the flames with speculation about why the state would offer Donna such a deal makes me lose all respect and trust in his commentary moving forward. He’s an experienced defense lawyer so it’s hard for me to believe he didn’t know how ridiculous this was as soon as he heard it. I’m baffled. I used to like him. Wow.

JMO

I totally agree. DA was the driving force behind this murder. The Maestro came up with the idea to kill Dan, not comprehending that it was his mother who surreptitiously planted the seed in his head. Then it was all about persuading WA. I don't think she could care less if Dan was murdered, but was probably petrified about being arrested, hence the reason she distanced herself from the crime. Why wouldn't she? She did not have to get her hands dirty anyway, The maestro was happy to conduct (pun intended) things solo.

 

[Niner]

He was Brian Winchesters attorney-got him a great deal snitching on Denise Williams (Mike Williams murder) also in Tallahassee

I knew his name sounded familiar - I followed that case also! Thanks!

 

[yazoost]

Regardless of whether the plea rumor is true or false, maybe somebody leaked it to Jansen to see if he could keep a secret or be a useful distributor of misinformation?

 

[Weki]

I think Jansen has been seduced by all the adoration from STS viewers and he wants to play hero. He knows the audience is obsessed with Wendi and he’s just throwing meat at them. He changed his stance on Wendi once he realized what the audience wants to hear. And now he’s spreading false information to feed the obsession. Whoever told him (if indeed someone did) he should’ve dismissed it as utter nonsense instead of disseminating it with a full chest. He full-throatedly said she was being offered this deal bc of her age! That’s a load of bs and he knows it.

JMO

 

[Knitpicker]

I think Jansen has been seduced by all the adoration from STS viewers and he wants to play hero. He knows the audience is obsessed with Wendi and he’s just throwing meat at them. He changed his stance on Wendi once he realized what the audience wants to hear. And now he’s spreading false information to feed the obsession. Whoever told him (if indeed someone did) he should’ve dismissed it as utter nonsense instead of disseminating it with a full chest. He full-throatedly said she was being offered this deal bc of her age! That’s a load of bs and he knows it.

JMO

He’s a charming man- you have to give it to him. He’s winding down his own involvement in his firm and seems to enjoy the interaction online. But as an officer of the court he has a responsibility to confirm whatever he puts out there. Because as we know the info spreads like wildfire.

 

[nodamselindistress]

There was some conjecture on last nights' STS show that perhaps the state put this out there to get Wendi and Harvey talking. Most of the analysts find the whole thing ridiculous based on the "time served" allegation.

 

[Reetz]

for me, it's all windowdressing until Wendi gets the cuffs clapped on....evil in spades

 

[Wishbone]

I think Jansen has been seduced by all the adoration from STS viewers and he wants to play hero. He knows the audience is obsessed with Wendi and he’s just throwing meat at them. He changed his stance on Wendi once he realized what the audience wants to hear. And now he’s spreading false information to feed the obsession. Whoever told him (if indeed someone did) he should’ve dismissed it as utter nonsense instead of disseminating it with a full chest. He full-throatedly said she was being offered this deal bc of her age! That’s a load of bs and he knows it.

JMO

Posted on several youtube channels saying no DA plea deal and are quoting State Attorney Jack Campbell