FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Zedzded]

Is Wendi Adelson the oaf here? How could she be 1) and educated lawyer ... who comprehends words and 2) a unstable incompetent lawyer ... unstable ... at the same time?

She's an "educated lawyer." As in she did a law degree, she has an education, she knows "legal stuff" e.g if you smash your TV up, it is not covered by a manufacturers warranty. That does not mean she is a competent lawyer. Being a good lawyer requires more than just knowledge. This is why many law students fail post graduation. They did great in Torts, but lack the necessary skills needed to be a successful lawyer.

 

[Weki]

Generally speaking, newly graduated/just passed the bar attorneys starting their first lawyer job at law firms are considered to be practically incompetent and have to be spoon fed everything. All a law degree proves is she’s a good student.

Many people can be school smart and completely incompetent at life and lacking in social skills. Wendi has the disadvantage of having Donna as a mother. She was infantilized all the way up to this murder. She’s finally free from Donna’s control. Donna has been seething not only at the loss of control but at Wendi’s indifference and I love that for Donna.

And I agree, Wendi held her own against Georgia. That’s why people bring up Dacoste’s cross exam. He was more confrontational with her. I know Georgia was skirting the lines of the immunity deal but still. Wendi was firm. Her arrogance is galling. This is yet another part of the reason why people are so incensed that she gets to walk away free from this. I totally get it!

JMO

 

[Going Rogue]

To clarify, publicly available evidence from transcripts of 4 trials show that the SAO has good reason to label Wendi Adelson and Donna Adelson as un-indicted co-conspirators in April 2022.
Donna Adelson has been indicted, tried, and sentenced to LWOP.

Wendi Adelson's turn will come sooner or later, as there is no statute of limitation for first degree murder in Florida.



Apparently, it is challenging for the SAO to indict her because she is an admitted member of Florida bar in good standing.
It seems doltish to clarify that 1) nothing prevent the prosecutors and/or the grand jurors to indict a member of Florida bar ... if the evidence is there. However, 2) the educated lawyer Wendi Adelson knows the rules of evidence in the Florida criminal proceeding such that she knows what to say and when to keep her mouth shut ... since 2013! Clarification is necessary to help some "smart" keyboard warriors ...
Her brother and mother who are not admitted members of Florida bar in good standing ... were less aware ... and talked too much. Hence, both brother and mother are in prison under LWOP penalty.



Is Wendi Adelson the oaf here? How could she be 1) and educated lawyer ... who comprehends words and 2) a unstable incompetent lawyer ... unstable ... at the same time?

The facts are:

1) Donna Adelson popped anti-diarrheal medicines and xanax ... complaining that Dan Markel haunted her from his grave; Charles Adelson smoked weeds and chain popped xanax ... all the while throwing bottled water at June Umchinda, Wendi Adelson kept quiet, spoke rarely, and focused on caring for her boys -- as reported in the transcripts of interviews --

2) Well prepared Georgia Cappleman with her huge and tabbed binders ... did not rattle Wendi Adelson on the stand ... when Wendi Adelson calmly responded "I don't remember ..." and "that sounds right ..." multiple times -- as shown in many videos --

Publicly available pieces of information in the transcripts indicate that Wendi Adelson is an un-indicted co-conspirator to the murder of Dan Markel ... as alleged by the SOA. However, more direct pieces of evidence are needed to convince a secret grand jury to indict her ... Else, Wendi Adelson and John Lauro would embarrass the SAO. Let us wait and see!

Thanks for the clarification – it's sometimes needed with your cryptic style of writing . I fully agree with your point that the DA faces challenges because Wendi is "an admitted member of the Florida Bar in good standing," for the reasons you stated. I'm one of the maybe not-so-"smart" keyboard warriors who didn't grasp the meaning of your first pass several days ago.

As for the "communities'" opinions on Wendi's mental makeup, I believe most have been shaped through the lens of Jeff Lacasse's statements. There isn't much other data we have to go on besides how she conducted herself in the police interview and in the few hours combined as a state's witness and while being treated as hostile. All the labels she carries and all the opinions that she's a narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar who's been infantilized her entire life and can't function as a normal adult with two children all stem from Lacasse’s claims.

Food for thought: If Jeff's portrait of Wendi is accurate, how can Wendi be the mastermind and what makes anyone think it's not possible that Donna and Charlie would have planned this murder without her? If he’s off, might Wendi be the true mastermind? It's a valid argument that you can't have it both ways. As for Wendi's unindicted co-conspirator status, it doesn’t mean the state thinks she was directly involved. They might believe that - or just that she lied under oath to shield her family. If the latter, she earned the title, so I’m not downplaying it.

In fairness, it's important to note Georgia Cappleman's public statement in a David Lat interview after the defense named Wendi as a witness and the state officially named Wendi as an unindicted co-conspirator.. To paraphrase, Cappleman made it clear it was not a guilt verdict, but a tactical move to box in the defense by highlighting Wendi’s Fifth Amendment exposure. This forced them to either disclose her role upfront or risk her pleading the Fifth, potentially sinking their case – all without the DA wagering a high-stakes charge against "an admitted member of the Florida Bar in good standing." Per Cappleman's statement, naming Wendi was a tactical move and until Cappleman or another member of the DA's office issues another statement on Wendi's title, as far as I’m concerned, Wendi being named doesn’t mean the state believes Wendi was involved in the plot.

 

[Zedzded]

And I agree, Wendi held her own against Georgia. That’s why people bring up Dacoste’s cross exam. He was more confrontational with her. I know Georgia was skirting the lines of the immunity deal but still. Wendi was firm. H

GC was toying with Wendi, like a cat playing with a mouse. GC would ask her a difficult question, WA would lie, GC would tick off something in her notepad and then moved on. I suppose in Wendi's mind, she was doing great as GC had no rebuutal to her responses. But I think we all know this was just a game for GC. She's saving Wendi for a later date and obviously cognisant of her immunity. So no I don't think WA held her own against GC. Telling GC that she was bad with directions whenb asked whyt she drove up Trescott is not holding her own. Wendi looked composed because GC did not follow up on her ridiculous answers.

 

[Going Rogue]

Generally speaking, newly graduated/just passed the bar attorneys starting their first lawyer job at law firms are considered to be practically incompetent and have to be spoon fed everything. All a law degree proves is she’s a good student.

Many people can be school smart and completely incompetent at life and lacking in social skills. Wendi has the disadvantage of having Donna as a mother. She was infantilized all the way up to this murder. She’s finally free from Donna’s control. Donna has been seething not only at the loss of control but at Wendi’s indifference and I love that for Donna.

And I agree, Wendi held her own against Georgia. That’s why people bring up Dacoste’s cross exam. He was more confrontational with her. I know Georgia was skirting the lines of the immunity deal but still. Wendi was firm. Her arrogance is galling. This is yet another part of the reason why people are so incensed that she gets to walk away free from this. I totally get it!

JMO

I fully agree – overall, Wendi did a great job in the hot seat across all four trials. She was well-prepared, and there are only a few moments where she got tripped up. Those have been highlighted ad nauseam in many forums and blown out of proportion. I’m not providing specific examples because it’ll spark a flurry of comments

 

[Weki]

Can someone please explain to this not-so-smart Keyboard Warrior the significance of Wendi’s status as a member of the Florida bar in how she’s treated by the SAO?

 

[Going Rogue]

Can someone please explain to this not-so-smart Keyboard Warrior the significance of Wendi’s status as a member of the Florida bar in how she’s treated by the SAO?

I could be wrong, but my interpretation was that some not-so-smart keyboard warriors (like myself) initially thought "apex" meant she was untouchable simply because she is a member of the Florida Bar. However, it actually meant that because she is a member of the Bar, the SOA’s Office knows a case against her will be difficult since she’s not "dumb" like non-Bar members Donna and Charlie, both of whom incriminated themselves post-murder. Therefore, we should continue to "stay tuned" until the SAO figures out how to deal with this smart member of the Florida Bar.

 

[Weki]

I could be wrong, but my interpretation was that some not-so-smart keyboard warriors (like myself) initially thought "apex" meant she was untouchable simply because she is a member of the Florida Bar. However, it actually meant that because she is a member of the Bar, the SOA’s Office knows a case against her will be difficult since she’s not "dumb" like non-Bar members Donna and Charlie, both of whom incriminated themselves post-murder. Therefore, we should continue to "stay tuned" until the SAO figures out how to deal with this smart member of the Florida Bar.

Oh thanks. That’s what I thought apex meant.

The simple reason that the SAO hasn’t arrested Wendi is because they don’t have enough to convict. I don’t think her bar status factors into it at all. And the reason they don’t have enough is because Wendi was insulated. Occam’s Razor

I think some feel that the state should just roll the dice anyway. It’s not like she’s P. Diddy and the state would be humiliated by an acquittal on all the key counts! What an embarrassment that was for SDNY!

JMO

 

[Going Rogue]

Oh thanks. That’s what I thought apex meant.

The simple reason that the SAO hasn’t arrested Wendi is because they don’t have enough to convict. I don’t think her bar status factors into it at all. And the reason they don’t have enough is because Wendi was insulated. Occam’s Razor

I think some feel that the state should just roll the dice anyway. It’s not like she’s P. Diddy and the state would be humiliated by an acquittal on all the key counts! What an embarrassment that was for SDNY!

JMO

I believe apex agrees with your statement on evidence as well. Yes, Occam’s Razor, Dan was murdered over a decade ago, and there have been many explanations and theories about why Wendi hasn’t been charged ‘yet’…. isn’t the most likely explanation that the SAO believes (or knows) they don’t have sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof? At a minimum, they likely recognize the case is very risky and aren’t rushing, holding out hope for a potential case breakthrough or new development. All these predictions that she will be arrested by xyz date and that the state has enough evidence for a conviction are not in alignment with the SAO – the entity with all the evidence, including exculpatory evidence.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

IMO what might be useful or beneficial, would be a civil case against WA. (Brought by whom is a separate matter.)

With a different legal standard for conviction or guilt IIUC contrasted with a criminal court, perhaps such action could precipitate new information. Or a different view of some already existing evidence. In conjunction with something new. And maybe something additional or new arises. Or a new witness….. or an existing witness provides something new or additional?

And if such was to happen, and depending on the outcome….. then maybe something in the civil proceedings might then by useful in a criminal case? I know, wishful thinking.

IIRC there have been other examples of convictions where something similar occurred. Civil case before a criminal case. But I am hard pressed and not able to bring an example here now unfortunately.

Still might be better than trying a criminal case where a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt isn’t quite yet envisioned or seen? IANAL. MOO

 

[apeXperience]

Quick "service announcement"

• The 2nd Judicial Court at and for the Leon County of Florida reserved Room 3G for the SAO lawyers supervised by Jack Campbell, for next week
• For all day, each of both days of Tuesday November 18 and Wednesday November 19

Might be one is hallucinating but a couple of days of SAO room reservation seems to indicate that two divisions are at work. It is hopped that they are both divisions C & D (Felony Division C led by Sarah Dugan and Felony Division D led by Georgia Cappleman), in tandem again.

Dear folks, November 19 is a third Wednesday of the month. Are two panels of secret grand jurors in the making? Are the good people of Tallahassee going to bring about two more pieces of Justice for Dan Markel by Thursday November 20th, 2025?

 

[opt]

Would the boys have standing at age 18 to sue anyone for murdering their father?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Would the boys have standing at age 18 to sue anyone for murdering their father?

They have standing now.

 

[Weki]

Would the boys have standing at age 18 to sue anyone for murdering their father?

I doubt there’ll be much in the Adelson’s coffers by then. No income coming in for years now. Appeals will drain their money.

 

[Going Rogue]

Quick "service announcement"

• The 2nd Judicial Court at and for the Leon County of Florida reserved Room 3G for the SAO lawyers supervised by Jack Campbell, for next week
• For all day, each of both days of Tuesday November 18 and Wednesday November 19

Might be one is hallucinating but a couple of days of SAO room reservation seems to indicate that two divisions are at work. It is hopped that they are both divisions C & D (Felony Division C led by Sarah Dugan and Felony Division D led by Georgia Cappleman), in tandem again.

Dear folks, November 19 is a third Wednesday of the month. Are two panels of secret grand jurors in the making? Are the good people of Tallahassee going to bring about two more pieces of Justice for Dan Markel by Thursday November 20th, 2025?

The Markel case isn’t the only case the SAO has on their plates… highly speculative to assume it’s related to this case… don’t get the hopes of all us not-so-smart keyboard warriors up..... some of us can’t distinguish speculation from confirmation. Your special service announcement might make it to the STS 7:00pm breaking news announcement with special guests TJ and Prof Jo!

Let’s hope your hunch is correct….. I will stay tuned!

 

[Weki]

As Georgia told us at the last presser, there are other crimes/cases happening in Tallahassee.

But at least now we know Jack Campbell’s prosecutors have had a good rest and are ready to go back to work. He was so worried the last time.

Stay tuned.

 

[LinasK]

To clarify, publicly available evidence from transcripts of 4 trials show that the SAO has good reason to label Wendi Adelson and Donna Adelson as un-indicted co-conspirators in April 2022.
Donna Adelson has been indicted, tried, and sentenced to LWOP.

Wendi Adelson's turn will come sooner or later, as there is no statute of limitation for first degree murder in Florida.



Apparently, it is challenging for the SAO to indict her because she is an admitted member of Florida bar in good standing.
It seems doltish to clarify that 1) nothing prevent the prosecutors and/or the grand jurors to indict a member of Florida bar ... if the evidence is there. However, 2) the educated lawyer Wendi Adelson knows the rules of evidence in the Florida criminal proceeding such that she knows what to say and when to keep her mouth shut ... since 2013! Clarification is necessary to help some "smart" keyboard warriors ...
Her brother and mother who are not admitted members of Florida bar in good standing ... were less aware ... and talked too much. Hence, both brother and mother are in prison under LWOP penalty.



Is Wendi Adelson the oaf here? How could she be 1) and educated lawyer ... who comprehends words and 2) a unstable incompetent lawyer ... unstable ... at the same time?

The facts are:

1) Donna Adelson popped anti-diarrheal medicines and xanax ... complaining that Dan Markel haunted her from his grave; Charles Adelson smoked weeds and chain popped xanax ... all the while throwing bottled water at June Umchinda, Wendi Adelson kept quiet, spoke rarely, and focused on caring for her boys -- as reported in the transcripts of interviews --

2) Well prepared Georgia Cappleman with her huge and tabbed binders ... did not rattle Wendi Adelson on the stand ... when Wendi Adelson calmly responded "I don't remember ..." and "that sounds right ..." multiple times -- as shown in many videos --

Publicly available pieces of information in the transcripts indicate that Wendi Adelson is an un-indicted co-conspirator to the murder of Dan Markel ... as alleged by the SOA. However, more direct pieces of evidence are needed to convince a secret grand jury to indict her ... Else, Wendi Adelson and John Lauro would embarrass the SAO. Let us wait and see!

You keep saying that it's challenging to indict her because she's a member of the Florida bar in good standing, but you fail to explain why. Lawyers in good standing who are crooked lawyers are indicted all the time all over the country and get disbarred. Why should it be any different???

 

[LinasK]

Oh thanks. That’s what I thought apex meant.

The simple reason that the SAO hasn’t arrested Wendi is because they don’t have enough to convict. I don’t think her bar status factors into it at all. And the reason they don’t have enough is because Wendi was insulated. Occam’s Razor

I think some feel that the state should just roll the dice anyway. It’s not like she’s P. Diddy and the state would be humiliated by an acquittal on all the key counts! What an embarrassment that was for SDNY!

JMO

I agree with you- it has nothing to do with her Bar status or whether or not she's a member in good standing. The fact that she's a lawyer just means she knows the game a little bit better. But bad cops, judges, and prosecutors still get tried and convicted all the time.

 

[Zedzded]

The simple reason that the SAO hasn’t arrested Wendi is because they don’t have enough to convict.

There are no other reasons in delays relating to he arrest then? No arrest means not enough evidence, end of?

 

[Zedzded]

uick "service announcement"

• The 2nd Judicial Court at and for the Leon County of Florida reserved Room 3G for the SAO lawyers supervised by Jack Campbell, for next week
• For all day, each of both days of Tuesday November 18 and Wednesday November 19

Might be one is hallucinating but a couple of days of SAO room reservation seems to indicate that two divisions are at work. It is hopped that they are both divisions C & D (Felony Division C led by Sarah Dugan and Felony Division D led by Georgia Cappleman), in tandem again.

Dear folks, November 19 is a third Wednesday of the month. Are two panels of secret grand jurors in the making? Are the good people of Tallahassee going to bring about two more pieces of Justice for Dan Markel by Thursday November 20th, 2025?

Would this not be for the Hope Foundation case?