FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Zedzded]

As a social worker, Jeff’s trained to spot dysfunction, but his 2k therapy bill shows he was drowning in him own chaotic relationship.

It’s a paradox that I find quite bizarre. There were red flags everywhere: she was disordered, dysfunctional, unstable, drinking heavily and over-medicating, yet he was drawn to her, almost falling under her spell despite his experience and knowledge as a social worker and professor. You’d think he would have run for the hills shortly after meeting her.

But he is nevertheless credible. Any bitterness or resentment on his part, or any desire to seek vengeance, does not usurp or diminish his credibility. Irregardless who can blame him for wanting to see her arrested?

 

[New Penny]

GC was toying with Wendi, like a cat playing with a mouse. GC would ask her a difficult question, WA would lie, GC would tick off something in her notepad and then moved on. I suppose in Wendi's mind, she was doing great as GC had no rebuutal to her responses. But I think we all know this was just a game for GC. She's saving Wendi for a later date and obviously cognisant of her immunity. So no I don't think WA held her own against GC. Telling GC that she was bad with directions whenb asked whyt she drove up Trescott is not holding her own. Wendi looked composed because GC did not follow up on her ridiculous answers.

I totally agree. The only reason Wendi appeared composed is because Georgia chose to not take her to the woodshed!

MOO

 

[Fromeaster]

I just want to know if she will be arrested or not and then I will move on. And if they haven't decided themselves, maybe they need to wait another ten years.

 

[Zedzded]

I just want to know if she will be arrested or not and then I will move on. And if they haven't decided themselves, maybe they need to wait another ten years.

I know when asked whether there will be more arrests in the Shanna Gardener case, LE expliciterly stated there would not be any more arrests. There had been rumours that her parents could be arrested.

Re Dan Markel murder, LE have definitely not stated this. I think if the State knew they would not be charging any more people they'd say so to give the case closure.

 

[Hilt]

BBM. This!!! That's why the name-change is so relevant. They weren't even divorced yet, nor did she have sole custody, or his parental rights terminated, nor was he abusive. Any of those reasons you could see for a name- change. This was about erasure of the victim.

Please forgive me if this has already been hashed out somewhere in this long case thread, but I wonder if the name change issue also implies prior knowledge that Mr. Markel would be erased.

In Florida a spouse cannot unilaterally change a child's name. A petition is required and Section 68.07(8) of the Florida Statutes states, “When only one parent petitions for a change of name of a minor child, process shall be served on the other parent and proof of such service shall be filed in the cause;” (Chapter 68 Section 07 - 2020 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate)

I assume that Ms. Adelson being a lawyer, would know this. Mr. Markel, as an eminent legal scholar would obviously know this. Given the extensive litigation between these two, if the name changing came to Mr. Markel’s attention at some point it would have quickly become a major issue in the courtroom (no bueno for Mr. Adelson).

This possibly suggests Ms. Adelson did not believe Mr. Markel would learn of this, since at the time (a couple weeks before he was murdered) it was ostensibly not a legal name change requiring a petition, but an “informal” one, within the Adelson family. However, the children had previously reported back to their father things said by Mrs. Donna Adelson, which makes it likely (in my mind) he would have learned of this sooner or later. It further suggests that perhaps Ms. Adelson had a reason to believe that Mr. Markel would not ever be hearing about the name change from his kids (or anybody else)…..

 

[Knitpicker]

Please forgive me if this has already been hashed out somewhere in this long case thread, but I wonder if the name change issue also implies prior knowledge that Mr. Markel would be erased.

In Florida a spouse cannot unilaterally change a child's name. A petition is required and Section 68.07(8) of the Florida Statutes states, “When only one parent petitions for a change of name of a minor child, process shall be served on the other parent and proof of such service shall be filed in the cause;” (Chapter 68 Section 07 - 2020 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate)

I assume that Ms. Adelson being a lawyer, would know this. Mr. Markel, as an eminent legal scholar would obviously know this. Given the extensive litigation between these two, if the name changing came to Mr. Markel’s attention at some point it would have quickly become a major issue in the courtroom (no bueno for Mr. Adelson).

This possibly suggests Ms. Adelson did not believe Mr. Markel would learn of this, since at the time (a couple weeks before he was murdered) it was ostensibly not a legal name change requiring a petition, but an “informal” one, within the Adelson family. However, the children had previously reported back to their father things said by Mrs. Donna Adelson, which makes it likely (in my mind) he would have learned of this sooner or later. It further suggests that perhaps Ms. Adelson had a reason to believe that Mr. Markel would not ever be hearing about the name change from his kids (or anybody else)…..

The form she used was when someone changes their name BACK to an original name.

Obviously, the boys never had the name Adelson, so the form was used in error.

The name change happened after the murder.
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PS.She changed their names to register the older boy for school a couple of weeks after the murder, but it was not legally changed until she used that form, which she used it seems purposely in error. She had to know it was not a form that she was supposed to use, but she used it anyway.

 

[Going Rogue]

It’s a paradox that I find quite bizarre. There were red flags everywhere: she was disordered, dysfunctional, unstable, drinking heavily and over-medicating, yet he was drawn to her, almost falling under her spell despite his experience and knowledge as a social worker and professor. You’d think he would have run for the hills shortly after meeting her.

But he is nevertheless credible. Any bitterness or resentment on his part, or any desire to seek vengeance, does not usurp or diminish his credibility. Irregardless who can blame him for wanting to see her arrested?

Most of the evidence portraying Wendi as “disordered, dysfunctional, unstable, drinking heavily, and over-medicating” comes from Jeff Lacasse. I know Jeff referenced statements Dan made about Wendi being deceitful and a liar etc.... and Wendi herself testified that Dan was telling their coworkers she was mentally unstable.

It seem obvious there are definitely serious issues within the family, and I’m not excluding Wendi – there appear to be real problems there. However, I’m not convinced by some of Jeff’s more extreme claims, like “she drinks her dinner most nights.” If her drinking had truly been that severe, I believe we would have seen Dan file a motion about it. She wouldn’t have been able to hide that level of alcohol abuse from him, and if it was as bad as Jeff portrayed, the children would have been endangered. No way Dan would have stayed silent.

Obviously it’s possible she developed some of those issues after the divorce, but I’m starting to question the reliability of certain things we learned from Jeff about Wendi. I’ve pointed out other examples where Jeff seems to add details or exaggerate, so I now wonder whether some of his statements about her aren’t exaggerated as well.

 

[Going Rogue]

Please forgive me if this has already been hashed out somewhere in this long case thread, but I wonder if the name change issue also implies prior knowledge that Mr. Markel would be erased.

In Florida a spouse cannot unilaterally change a child's name. A petition is required and Section 68.07(8) of the Florida Statutes states, “When only one parent petitions for a change of name of a minor child, process shall be served on the other parent and proof of such service shall be filed in the cause;” (Chapter 68 Section 07 - 2020 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate)

I assume that Ms. Adelson being a lawyer, would know this. Mr. Markel, as an eminent legal scholar would obviously know this. Given the extensive litigation between these two, if the name changing came to Mr. Markel’s attention at some point it would have quickly become a major issue in the courtroom (no bueno for Mr. Adelson).

This possibly suggests Ms. Adelson did not believe Mr. Markel would learn of this, since at the time (a couple weeks before he was murdered) it was ostensibly not a legal name change requiring a petition, but an “informal” one, within the Adelson family. However, the children had previously reported back to their father things said by Mrs. Donna Adelson, which makes it likely (in my mind) he would have learned of this sooner or later. It further suggests that perhaps Ms. Adelson had a reason to believe that Mr. Markel would not ever be hearing about the name change from his kids (or anybody else)…..

I would imagine that during the investigation, investigators did proper due diligence on exactly when Wendi officially started the petition – if they didn’t, that would have been a major oversight. I don’t think Wendi would have been stupid enough to begin the legal name-change process while Dan was still alive.

Your post caught my attention (especially the second paragraph), so I did an AI search. In Florida, when one parent is deceased, no service of process is required on that parent for a minor’s name change – obviously, because they can’t be served or object. The surviving custodial parent can file the petition unilaterally as long as they meet the standard requirements.

I can’t imagine the investigators didn’t turn over every stone on this issue. They even highlighted in trial that the Adelson name was already being used for the boys on the e-vites for Harvey’s birthday party (while Dan was still alive) and then, almost immediately after his death, to enroll them in sports and other activities.

 

[Knitpicker]

Most of the evidence portraying Wendi as “disordered, dysfunctional, unstable, drinking heavily, and over-medicating” comes from Jeff Lacasse. I know Jeff referenced statements Dan made about Wendi being deceitful and a liar etc.... and Wendi herself testified that Dan was telling their coworkers she was mentally unstable.

It seem obvious there are definitely serious issues within the family, and I’m not excluding Wendi – there appear to be real problems there. However, I’m not convinced by some of Jeff’s more extreme claims, like “she drinks her dinner most nights.” If her drinking had truly been that severe, I believe we would have seen Dan file a motion about it. She wouldn’t have been able to hide that level of alcohol abuse from him, and if it was as bad as Jeff portrayed, the children would have been endangered. No way Dan would have stayed silent.

Obviously it’s possible she developed some of those issues after the divorce, but I’m starting to question the reliability of certain things we learned from Jeff about Wendi. I’ve pointed out other examples where Jeff seems to add details or exaggerate, so I now wonder whether some of his statements about her aren’t exaggerated as well.

Do you think she was not drunk when she made that comment about Dm getting his head blown off (or something just as horrible) at the Bar Mitzvah?

 

[Going Rogue]

The form she used was when someone changes their name BACK to an original name.

Obviously, the boys never had the name Adelson, so the form was used in error.

The name change happened after the murder.
——————-
PS.She changed their names to register the older boy for school a couple of weeks after the murder, but it was not legally changed until she used that form, which she used it seems purposely in error. She had to know it was not a form that she was supposed to use, but she used it anyway.

Where did you learn she used the ‘wrong form’? Captain indicators just put out a short that just hit my feed about Wendi incorrectly stated the names were being ‘reverted back’ to the boy’s original name – which is obviously incorrect. That’s different than using the wrong form – not saying you are wrong, just asking if it’s confirmed she used the wrong form.

 

[Knitpicker]

I would imagine that during the investigation, investigators did proper due diligence on exactly when Wendi officially started the petition – if they didn’t, that would have been a major oversight. I don’t think Wendi would have been stupid enough to begin the legal name-change process while Dan was still alive.

Your post caught my attention (especially the second paragraph), so I did an AI search. In Florida, when one parent is deceased, no service of process is required on that parent for a minor’s name change – obviously, because they can’t be served or object. The surviving custodial parent can file the petition unilaterally as long as they meet the standard requirements.

I can’t imagine the investigators didn’t turn over every stone on this issue

Ok I’m reply to the wrong comment.
Did the boys have the name Adelson at any time?

The form is like my maiden name was Smith. I get married and now it’s Doe.
I get divorced and then want to change my name back to Smith.
I think the formal divorce from the state allows me to change it back without any forms.

So when do you suppose the form she used is used correctly?

 

[Going Rogue]

Do you think she was not drunk when she made that comment about Dm getting his head blown off (or something just as horrible) at the Bar Mitzvah?

Isn’t this another thing we learned from Jeff? Jeff was clear he didn’t hear this firsthand – it was hearsay and I believe he told Isom (after he made the claim) he wasn’t exactly sure what she said AND he tried to walk the comment back immediately after he said it…

Maybe she did say something insensitive – but, if your question to me is “don’t I think she was was drunk”…….. I have no idea – I want there.. I like to analyze things based on facts not make silly assumptions.

 

[Going Rogue]

Ok I’m reply to the wrong comment.
Did the boys have the name Adelson at any time?

The form is like my maiden name was Smith. I get married and now it’s Doe.
I get divorced and then want to change my name back to Smith.
I think the formal divorce from the state allows me to change it back without any forms.

So when do you suppose the form she used is used correctly?

You are the one saying she used the ‘wrong’ form… I’m simply asking if you know that for a fact or you are making an assumption – that’s all.

 

[Hilt]

I would imagine that during the investigation, investigators did proper due diligence on exactly when Wendi officially started the petition – if they didn’t, that would have been a major oversight. I don’t think Wendi would have been stupid enough to begin the legal name-change process while Dan was still alive.

Your post caught my attention (especially the second paragraph), so I did an AI search. In Florida, when one parent is deceased, no service of process is required on that parent for a minor’s name change – obviously, because they can’t be served or object. The surviving custodial parent can file the petition unilaterally as long as they meet the standard requirements.

I can’t imagine the investigators didn’t turn over every stone on this issue. They even highlighted in trial that the Adelson name was already being used for the boys on the e-vites for Harvey’s birthday party (while Dan was still alive) and then, almost immediately after his death, to enroll them in sports and other activities.

I was focusing on your last comment, the use of the Adelson name on the birthday invitations. Clearly, Ms. Adelson didn’t begin a legal petition to change the names before the murder. But I’d think there would have beeen some risk of Mr. Markel finding out that the children were being referred to as Adelson’s on the evites, quite possibly from the children themselves. This risk, even if relatively small, hardly seems worth taking given the implications to the custody litigation. Unless of course one felt reasonably certain that Mr. Markel wouldn’t be hearing about it at any time in the future.

 

[Going Rogue]

I was focusing on your last comment, the use of the Adelson name on the birthday invitations. Clearly, Ms. Adelson didn’t begin a legal petition to change the names before the murder. But I’d think there would have beeen some risk of Mr. Markel finding out that the children were being referred to as Adelson’s on the evites, quite possibly from the children themselves. This risk, even if relatively small, hardly seems worth taking given the implications to the custody litigation. Unless of course one felt reasonably certain that Mr. Markel wouldn’t be hearing about it at any time in the future.

I think the risk of Dan finding out from the boys they were being referred to “Adelsons” on an electronic invitation (they were 3 & 4?) are lower than extremely low… I personally think the Adelsons referred to the boys as ‘Adelsons’ even before the plan to murder him was hatched. I don’t think it would have ever crossed their minds its was ‘safe’ to refer them as Adelsons on the e-vites because Dan isn’t going go be around much longer… but I do understand the logic you are applying.

 

[DustysMom]

The case with the most attention right now in Leon County is the FSU shooter murders by Phoenix Ikner. Jack Campbell is pursuing the death penalty, something not done frequently. Even though it's a slam-dunk case and there are mountains of evidence and witnesses, it will have extreme media coverage and public scrutiny.

Most of the evidence portraying Wendi as “disordered, dysfunctional, unstable, drinking heavily, and over-medicating” comes from Jeff Lacasse. I know Jeff referenced statements Dan made about Wendi being deceitful and a liar etc.... and Wendi herself testified that Dan was telling their coworkers she was mentally unstable.

It seem obvious there are definitely serious issues within the family, and I’m not excluding Wendi – there appear to be real problems there. However, I’m not convinced by some of Jeff’s more extreme claims, like “she drinks her dinner most nights.” If her drinking had truly been that severe, I believe we would have seen Dan file a motion about it. She wouldn’t have been able to hide that level of alcohol abuse from him, and if it was as bad as Jeff portrayed, the children would have been endangered. No way Dan would have stayed silent.

Obviously it’s possible she developed some of those issues after the divorce, but I’m starting to question the reliability of certain things we learned from Jeff about Wendi. I’ve pointed out other examples where Jeff seems to add details or exaggerate, so I now wonder whether some of his statements about her aren’t exaggerated as well.

Even if JL exaggerated some behaviors at trial, it is understandable to me, that anyone going through a divorce and its aftermath (in WA’s case, ongoing litigation with DM and child care issues) would drink more, be more stressed, be less rational. She was working and raising 2 children with a man she didn’t get along with in an area she despised - then, she had DA up her A$$ at every turn fueling the fire. WA was a hot mess ….. but she still knew something was going down …. She still blew off the Markels and moved out of town for good, 3 days after the murder.

 

[Weki]

Even if JL exaggerated some behaviors at trial, it is understandable to me, that anyone going through a divorce and its aftermath (in WA’s case, ongoing litigation with DM and child care issues) would drink more, be more stressed, be less rational. She was working and raising 2 children with a man she didn’t get along with in an area she despised - then, she had DA up her A$$ at every turn fueling the fire. WA was a hot mess ….. but she still knew something was going down …. She still blew off the Markels and moved out of town for good, 3 days after the murder.

Such a common sense observation that I think is easy to overlook because we've all been caught up in the Wendi is the Evil Mastermind psyop by 'Captain Indicators' (LOL). That she knew is near certain in my mind as well.

JMO

 

[Knitpicker]

You are the one saying she used the ‘wrong’ form… I’m simply asking if you know that for a fact or you are making an assumption – that’s all.

I saw the form. It was a form for changing a name BACK, which doesn’t apply.
Do you think changing their names legally to her maiden name was the right thing to do for the boys?
I’m not asking you to arrive at her guilt in murdering their father.

Edit: you keep better records of evidence than I do. You could probably find the form faster than I can. I tried to find it in my photos but since I don’t keep files I tried to go through 4 years of photos and can;t find it, but I will unless you find it first.

 

[Knitpicker]

Even if JL exaggerated some behaviors at trial, it is understandable to me, that anyone going through a divorce and its aftermath (in WA’s case, ongoing litigation with DM and child care issues) would drink more, be more stressed, be less rational. She was working and raising 2 children with a man she didn’t get along with in an area she despised - then, she had DA up her A$$ at every turn fueling the fire. WA was a hot mess ….. but she still knew something was going down …. She still blew off the Markels and moved out of town for good, 3 days after the murder.

If you read Ruths book she did more than blew off the Markels. She completely avoided them at their son’s memorial, she lied to them about seeing the boys Monday when she knew she was driving south. If she was truly innocent she would have never treated them the way she did and spoke of them to Isom the way she did. She treated them with the same hate she treated their son. She could care less about them being notified of the shooting, so they can go down to FL in enough time to see their son before he died.
Her behavior is not what an innocent person would do with the parents of a murdered man.
Let alone a woman who “rescues” immigrants and such.
Let’s see if she also lied about how many cars drove down to Miami.
The best is yet to come.

 

[Knitpicker]

Such a common sense observation that I think is easy to overlook because we've all been caught up in the Wendi is the Evil Mastermind psyop by 'Captain Indicators' (LOL). That she knew is near certain in my mind as well.

JMO

A diagnosis is determined by evidence of behavior—according to a trained psychiatrist.
Those following this case, with all the circumstantial evidence, don’t need to have a degree to know what/who WA is.