FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #10

[rd_jfc]

Myserty64 wrote:
The big problem with enlarging these images is all the imperfections are enlarged as well.

hi Myserty64, I don't come by very often but I did happen to see this. Obviously you're referring in some part to my blowups of the suspect. The difference between perfection ad imperfection, between grainy and clear, and between seeing something and seeing shadows is the solidness and regularness of the shapes.

Every shape that I pointed out resembles law enforcement gear and insignia in solid, perfectly regular shapes. Just as importantly, there are not two things in the blownup images: shadowy imperfections that resemble anything, nor similar solid shapes that resemble anything not law enforcement gear or insignia.

For you guys that claim there are only imperfections, I welcome you to point out to me any imperfection that resembles a solid regularly shaped object that I haven't pointed out.

I won't go through the litany of all the objects I found, the details involved, or even the link to the images, I have posted them all here as I found them. But if you and others that say similar were correct, you'd be able to point out one of the imperfection based shapes you say can only be in there.

Many people have looked at those images, and not one person has ever pointed out a flaw in the blownup images.

Please be as specific as to the location and what the shape is as I was.

regards,
rd

 

[rd_jfc]

Hi Harmony. And the info is from my neck of the woods, too. Thanks for the input.

Note that it says most adult females are internationally trafficed, and that Florida is a major destination for sex traffic, or in rough language, forced prostitution.

It's pretty well documented that women are lured primarily from eastern Europe, already from some pretty desperate situations, and forced into indentured slavery prostitution.

What does it take to do this?

A criminal gang with ties here and eastern Europe, namely the Russian mafia and similar gangs. Why? They can and do threaten harm to the girl's family if they renege on promises to "work" off their help to get out of their situation, maybe help for their family, and promise of freedom. Like all evil criminal gangs though, the victims are never allowed freedom before they die.

They most likely can't speak English, and can't ask for help here from the johns. They know they are here illegally, and will be deported if they were to get free. They didn't know they would be locked up like prisoners though. It is a very sad situation for them to know even deeper levels of depair and desperation.

Personally I don't see how that much of it could be going on without some customer telling the police that there are some pretty desperate looking women at such and such location, they ought to go take a look, etc. We have to be talking about the lowest of lowlife here. I'll take the word of those looking into this that it's a serious problem.

Now how does that affect Jennifer's disappearance? Well, since Chandra's case days, I don't know anything before that, but since those days at least, there's this continuing theme of American women kidnapped for middle eastern prostitution. Well, I go back to the eastern european women again. Since the days of the Mongols at least, Slavic women have been abducted and brought to middle eastern harems. That is after all where the word slave comes from. (fwiw, I am part Slavic, my grandmother was from Checkolslavakia.)

Quite frankly, look at the logistics of abducting an American women and placing and keeping her in forced prostitution in the middle east. But we get that on every young missing American women that gets publicity. I don't think I need to tell anyone here how many American women have disappeared, and while some of their remains are eventually found, four cases that I can think of because of law enforcement searching landfills (and a fifth recently being a child), I have yet to hear of any missing American women that were found in the middle east, or anywhere else, against their will.

In my mind it does a disservice to all the other missing women, most recently Susan Powell, who have disappeared, that as mothers perhap are not particularly involved in these sex trafficing theories as Jennifer is. Many young women have disappeared, remains of many found, but none were found in forced prostitution.

Almost all disappeared women disappeared at the hands of a silent ex or some man she knew very well. That may change as men get more evil in disposing of their crime, but hasn't happened yet as far as I know.

But I can't say anything about a family hoping their loved one is still alive. I hope for the best and fear for the worst fo Jennifer.

rd

 

[sleutherontheside]

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/admin/HumanTrafficking/docs/FSUStrategicPlanDraft103009.pdf


Document regarding Florida Strategic plan. It is a draft, but contains the information that I mentioned.

 

[rd_jfc]

I searched for slim or blonde or favorite. None found in your citation.

rd

 

[Harmony 2]

Hi Harmony. And the info is from my neck of the woods, too. Thanks for the input.

Note that it says most adult females are internationally trafficed, and that Florida is a major destination for sex traffic, or in rough language, forced prostitution.

It's pretty well documented that women are lured primarily from eastern Europe, already from some pretty desperate situations, and forced into indentured slavery prostitution.

What does it take to do this?

A criminal gang with ties here and eastern Europe, namely the Russian mafia and similar gangs. Why? They can and do threaten harm to the girl's family if they renege on promises to "work" off their help to get out of their situation, maybe help for their family, and promise of freedom. Like all evil criminal gangs though, the victims are never allowed freedom before they die.

They most likely can't speak English, and can't ask for help here from the johns. They know they are here illegally, and will be deported if they were to get free. They didn't know they would be locked up like prisoners though. It is a very sad situation for them to know even deeper levels of depair and desperation.

Personally I don't see how that much of it could be going on without some customer telling the police that there are some pretty desperate looking women at such and such location, they ought to go take a look, etc. We have to be talking about the lowest of lowlife here. I'll take the word of those looking into this that it's a serious problem.

Now how does that affect Jennifer's disappearance? Well, since Chandra's case days, I don't know anything before that, but since those days at least, there's this continuing theme of American women kidnapped for middle eastern prostitution. Well, I go back to the eastern european women again. Since the days of the Mongols at least, Slavic women have been abducted and brought to middle eastern harems. That is after all where the word slave comes from. (fwiw, I am part Slavic, my grandmother was from Checkolslavakia.)

Quite frankly, look at the logistics of abducting an American women and placing and keeping her in forced prostitution in the middle east. But we get that on every young missing American women that gets publicity. I don't think I need to tell anyone here how many American women have disappeared, and while some of their remains are eventually found, four cases that I can think of because of law enforcement searching landfills (and a fifth recently being a child), I have yet to hear of any missing American women that were found in the middle east, or anywhere else, against their will.

In my mind it does a disservice to all the other missing women, most recently Susan Powell, who have disappeared, that as mothers perhap are not particularly involved in these sex trafficing theories as Jennifer is. Many young women have disappeared, remains of many found, but none were found in forced prostitution.

Almost all disappeared women disappeared at the hands of a silent ex or some man she knew very well. That may change as men get more evil in disposing of their crime, but hasn't happened yet as far as I know.

But I can't say anything about a family hoping their loved one is still alive. I hope for the best and fear for the worst fo Jennifer.

rd

Thank you RD!! I always enjoy reading your insight and perspective. I have my own theories about what happened to Jenn and I can't honestly say any involve trafficking. I like to keep an open mind and just want Jenn's case to remain visible. It hurts when cases like hers go into the cold case file. I am hoping that the truth about what happened to her, whatever that may be, will be found in investigating different angles.

 

[wanttohelp]

Hi Harmony. And the info is from my neck of the woods, too. Thanks for the input.

Note that it says most adult females are internationally trafficed, and that Florida is a major destination for sex traffic, or in rough language, forced prostitution.

It's pretty well documented that women are lured primarily from eastern Europe, already from some pretty desperate situations, and forced into indentured slavery prostitution.

What does it take to do this?

A criminal gang with ties here and eastern Europe, namely the Russian mafia and similar gangs. Why? They can and do threaten harm to the girl's family if they renege on promises to "work" off their help to get out of their situation, maybe help for their family, and promise of freedom. Like all evil criminal gangs though, the victims are never allowed freedom before they die.

They most likely can't speak English, and can't ask for help here from the johns. They know they are here illegally, and will be deported if they were to get free. They didn't know they would be locked up like prisoners though. It is a very sad situation for them to know even deeper levels of depair and desperation.

Personally I don't see how that much of it could be going on without some customer telling the police that there are some pretty desperate looking women at such and such location, they ought to go take a look, etc. We have to be talking about the lowest of lowlife here. I'll take the word of those looking into this that it's a serious problem.

Now how does that affect Jennifer's disappearance? Well, since Chandra's case days, I don't know anything before that, but since those days at least, there's this continuing theme of American women kidnapped for middle eastern prostitution. Well, I go back to the eastern european women again. Since the days of the Mongols at least, Slavic women have been abducted and brought to middle eastern harems. That is after all where the word slave comes from. (fwiw, I am part Slavic, my grandmother was from Checkolslavakia.)

Quite frankly, look at the logistics of abducting an American women and placing and keeping her in forced prostitution in the middle east. But we get that on every young missing American women that gets publicity. I don't think I need to tell anyone here how many American women have disappeared, and while some of their remains are eventually found, four cases that I can think of because of law enforcement searching landfills (and a fifth recently being a child), I have yet to hear of any missing American women that were found in the middle east, or anywhere else, against their will.

In my mind it does a disservice to all the other missing women, most recently Susan Powell, who have disappeared, that as mothers perhap are not particularly involved in these sex trafficing theories as Jennifer is. Many young women have disappeared, remains of many found, but none were found in forced prostitution.

Almost all disappeared women disappeared at the hands of a silent ex or some man she knew very well. That may change as men get more evil in disposing of their crime, but hasn't happened yet as far as I know.

But I can't say anything about a family hoping their loved one is still alive. I hope for the best and fear for the worst fo Jennifer.

rd

your post describes that lifetime movie exactly. LINK HERE

While I agree with what you saying, I wonder if there could be cases of men kidnapping women and keeping them to themselves. There is the case recently over sees, that the father kept his daughter as a sex slave, but I saw a dateline or one of those a couple of times that was about a guy who was kidnapping women and keeping them as a sex slave. Also there was another show about a women who escaped when she was kidnapped and used as a sex slave. This could account for remains never found.

 

[Floridagirl87]

I haven't read through all of the information on this case posted here, but did read through all of the pages of this particular thread. I'm just wondering if it has been 100% confirmed that the bloodhound tracked her scent from where her car was found to her condo and not the other way around. I believe the police said that it may have started off as a possible carjacking attempt. What if someone either at gunpoint or knifepoint forced her to drive to or close to where the car was found. I know that the POI is on tape parking the car, but is it possible he was just moving it from another spot in the same complex or somewhere close by? Once at or close to the complex where the car was found she could have been taken into a bulding or transfered into another vehicle. I'm just wondering how they can tell without a doubt that her scent led from where the car was found to her condo, and not from the condo to where the car was found. If there is something posted on another thread that clarifies this I do apologize, but as I said I haven't read through all of the threads yet.

 

[Floridagirl87]

I haven't read through all of the information on this case posted here, but did read through all of the pages of this particular thread. I'm just wondering if it has been 100% confirmed that the bloodhound tracked her scent from where her car was found to her condo and not the other way around. I believe the police said that it may have started off as a possible carjacking attempt. What if someone either at gunpoint or knifepoint forced her to drive to or close to where the car was found. I know that the POI is on tape parking the car, but is it possible he was just moving it from another spot in the same complex or somewhere close by? Once at or close to the complex where the car was found she could have been taken into a bulding or transfered into another vehicle. I'm just wondering how they can tell without a doubt that her scent led from where the car was found to her condo, and not from the condo to where the car was found. If there is something posted on another thread that clarifies this I do apologize, but as I said I haven't read through all of the threads yet.

I'm tired, I guess I didn't take into consideration that bloodhounds track scents from where they are the strongest to where they weaken out or stop. But was it actually her scent that was traced or the POI?

 

[Myserty64]

rd-jfc: I didn't have your 'enlargements' in mind when I wrote "The big problem with enlarging these images is all the imperfections are enlarged as well."
I have seen many 'enhancements' of the POI photos done by several people and most of them have different interpretations with regard to the POI and who he or she might be.
Whilst I admire the efforts of those who have tried to unmask the POI I cannot see what is claimed to be insignia, weapons, or anything else.
I have to declare I have tendency to dismiss these enhancements since I was conned by the 'Face on Mars' photographs.
Light, shadows and angles play horrid tricks in pictures.

With regard to the human trafficking angle could someone post a link to a site that has a list of all the young blonde women who are seriously thought to have been kidnapped for 'sexual slavery' either in the USA or overseas.

My own theory (of almost four year's standing) is the perpetrator was an 'illegal' construction worker who was living in one of the empty condos at Mosaic at the time of the abduction. I found out about the living on site arrangements later and it was this information that clinched the 'illegal worker' theory for me. I also believe he returned to his country of origin shortly after the abduction.
I freely acknowledge my theory is just that, a theory.

The LE investigators will know just about everything regarding Jennifer and her lifestyle.
They will also have lots of pieces of information that we can only wonder about.
However they don't have enough to solve the case and sadly, I doubt this abduction can be solved.
There are cases on these boards where it is obvious who committed the murder but the victim is still missing and there isn't the evidence to charge the perpetrator.
It seems to me Jennifer's case has a lot less going for it than those cases.

 

[rd_jfc]

I haven't seen any other enlargements posted here or elsewhere. Of course I may not be following this as close as you. And you say these enlargements are misleading, heh? Would be interesting to see just which of these Jennifer Kesse suspect enlargements you're referring to.

The bottom line, you dismiss what you haven't looked at based on you can't believe it's possible. Yet intelligence agencies blow up images every day. People enlarge images every day. Guess what? What do you think binoculars and telescopes are? They enlarge images. You can see things you can't see with the naked eye. Why is that so difficult to accept?

I would suggest that had you taken a look at the images, you would in fact see that all the items I have pointed out are solid and perfectly shaped, not shadows, angles, and such as you think. Not only are they solid, perfectly shaped objects, but they are on the suspect at appropriate places for the gear it is the shape of.

No, the real problem is pointed out in the second part of your post. An security guard parking Jennifer's car just doesn't match with the illegal construction worker theory, and it's pretty much as simple as that.

Believe me, I sure wasn't looking for anything no one had noticed before. All I was trying to do was figure out if the headpiece was hair or a hat. But however discomforting it is to find out it's not a Latino gang banger with a bandana on his head as the police believed and fits in with the illegal construction worker, the surveillance camera di its work and captured details about the suspect.

They are just details that are too inconvenient to believe.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

wanttohelp wrote:While I agree with what you saying, I wonder if there could be cases of men kidnapping women and keeping them to themselves. There is the case recently over sees, that the father kept his daughter as a sex slave, but I saw a dateline or one of those a couple of times that was about a guy who was kidnapping women and keeping them as a sex slave. Also there was another show about a women who escaped when she was kidnapped and used as a sex slave. This could account for remains never found.

The cases are very isolated, but astounding that it could happen. I'm aware of what you're referring to, two or three cases of a man (and wife!?) keeping a girl (or daughter) locked up out of sight of neighbors and fathering children with them, one in Germany and one in the northwest, I believe. Another case of a man in NC who had dug a cave and kidnapped a girl and was intending to do the same, but she escaped, thank goodness.

I could talk about how staggeringly difficult the logistics are to keep a woman prisoner without anyone finding out. But what really is the problem for me is all the missing women, and by that I mean well known cases which I have attempted to keep up on since I started following the Chandra disapperance, and quite frankly it's just too doggone easy to make a women disappear. And if and when they're found, no, they're not captives somewhere, they're in landfills or graves or wash up on shore or their remains are found in woods, or unhappily, they haven't been found yet. And if it's so easy for them to disappear, why is it that Jennifer is talked about as being held somewhere and not the rest of them? We could say they all could be being held somewhere, each of them by some lunatic, but we know better.

When so many women have disappeared, it just shouldn't be surprising that Jennifer did as well. Unacceptable, but the same as the rest of them. Women who didn't deserve that some man decides they will disappear.

rd

 

[wanttohelp]

I completely disagree that it would be difficult to keep someone captured, until they are murdered or die. I also believe this is a possibility for any case, not just Jennifer's. There are so many reclusive properties and they are kept that way by reclusive people. Noone knows whats going on in these places. People probally start to lose their minds being that secluded, if that isnt why they are secluded in the first place. Look how many children are sexually abused, and the jails filled with child predators.
"since 1980, the number of imprisoned sex offenders has grown by more than 7 percent per year;the number of sex offenders in state prisons more than quadrupled during a 14-year span, from 20500 in 1980 to 88100 in 1994"
Do you think more people just started offending in those years, I dont. It was a crime that we started to learn to recognize and laws were passed to deal with the crime. Kidnapping someone by a recluse and keeping them at a secluded location is a crime that is very hard to catch. Take a look at these land pics.

Its too easy. If they aren't caught in the act, then how would they be caught?

 

[wanttohelp]

Cases:
ORLANDO/ LINK HERE
WOMEN KEPT IN BOX UNDER BED/ LINK HERE
CAVE=COST $30MILLION!!!!/LINK HERE
TENNESEE ILLEGALS HAD A GIRL FROM 2005 TRAFFICKING BETWEEN FL GA TEN./LINK HEREmaybe we should investigate these guys further.
ANOTHER TRAFFICKING CASE IN FL, MORE ELABORATE/LINK HERE

 

[wanttohelp]

"Police found Kesse's Chevy Malibu two days later. It was parked in a gated lot about one mile down the road from the condominium complex where she lived"

is the gate enclosing the lot?

 

[wanttohelp]

Attackers — Salvadorans Victor Calles, 23; Jose Calles, 17; Joel Muratti-Hani; and Javier Santos
link here
what if after the two escape they were kinda hanging around florida not knowing what to do, because they ran, they didnt have money. maybe they knew someone in orlando they were staying with and they were waiting to think of something to get money to get to california. then they got jennifer. they were caught either the 25 or 26 in lousiana. these 2 out of the four were the violent ones and the ones going the raping.
just a thought.

 

[wanttohelp]

sorry, last post tonight.

i havent checked yet but what was the status of this guy?
http://www.justnews.com/news/2181171/detail.html
ever caught?

 

[sleutherontheside]

I can only hope that the Kesse family will gain answers and / or closure in this case. I remain hopeful that Jennifer will be found and that her family will sleep once again.

Jennifer.......no matter where you are.....you have not been forgotten!

 

[Harmony 2]

I'm tired, I guess I didn't take into consideration that bloodhounds track scents from where they are the strongest to where they weaken out or stop. But was it actually her scent that was traced or the POI?

http://www.trailershut.com/movie-trailers/96-transformers-3-trailer.html Hi Floridagirl!! I love seeing new posters here on Jenn's forum because they come in with fresh eyes. I hope you will come back and offer your theories.

It was the POI's scent that the dog tracked. Since he was caught on video walking, I think investigators were trying to determine where his/her scent led to, in the hopes that it may track to the POI's dwelling. IIRC The scent led back to right in front of Jenn's condo. The POI most likely had been parked there or lived there.

 

[panthera]

I too am praying for Jennifer's family this weekend. May they have some answers soon...four years is too long to not know what happened to Jennifer. :rose:

 

[rd_jfc]

"Police found Kesse's Chevy Malibu two days later. It was parked in a gated lot about one mile down the road from the condominium complex where she lived"

is the gate enclosing the lot?

hi wanttohelp, Jennifer's car was parked in an apartment parking lot, Huntington on the Green. It was parked next to the swimming pool which is the fence railings we see in the POI pictures. He walked around the swimming pool and is on the other side of it from Jennifer's car where he came into range of that camera.

It's not a gated complex like Jennifer's condo complex is. The quote appears to be confused between the two perhaps, I don't know.

I was pretty surprised when I saw where he had parked Jennifer's car. It was basically first place you can park after you pull in the entrance and pass the swimmig pool. (also caught on a wide angle camera and can be seen in an Orlando Sentinel video.)

There are others here, locals, who are much more knowledgeable than I am of the layout, I just made one trip there. But it's just as simple as he parked it in an apartment complex a safe distance from the Mosaic. Certainly you can walk back, but it's a pretty good hike down Americana. And it's five hours after Jennifer would be heading to work. The theory I guess is that it was parked there to make it look like somebody there stole it. I think they parked it there to catch a bus at the corner, but just my opinion.

But good question. I don't know why it would be reported that way.

rd