FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #10

[wanttohelp]

I don't see a baton, tazer, or bike helmet in these photos. I could be wrong...None of us know for sure. However, I would think that someone ditching a car after an abduction would be trying to act as normal as possible and not DRAW ATTENTION to himself. So why on earth would he ditch the car and walk down the street in a bike helmet, with a taser belt, and carrying a baton? That would definitely draw attention. IMO the POI is wearing some sort of hat not a helmet. The top of it looks too flat to be a helmet.

I believe its a bike helmet, but you post made me laugh. hard!:clap:

 

[Indianagirl]

In regards to the height issue, the height of 5'3"-5'5" WAS determined through FBI analysis.

"Feb. 22--Investigators in the case of missing Orlando woman Jennifer Kesse released the height Tuesday of a "person of interest" who appears in surveillance video near the parking lot where her car was abandoned.

The mystery figure is 5 feet 3 inches to 5 feet 5 inches tall, according to a Federal Bureau of Investigation analysis, homicide Sgt. Richard Ring said."

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-142389912.html

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Analysis which means they only looked at the results and didn't do any of the tests. I guess I had it confused. Only more reason to question the accuracy, imo.

 

[Indianagirl]

Analysis which means they only looked at the results and didn't do any of the tests. I guess I had it confused. Only more reason to question the accuracy, imo.

According to these statements, FBI was involved in determining the height of the POI. I guess I'm confused as to why so many people doubt the conclusion of height as 5'3"-5'5" Experts concluded this... not an inexperienced cop.

From NG:

"GRACE: ... Ed Miller, joining us today, special guest from "America`s Most Wanted." I know they`re small facts, but this is how cases are built. This is how timelines are established. What can you tell us? I mentioned this video enhancement, this photo. Where did it come from? What is it? What can you tell us?

ED MILLER, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Well, we can certainly tell you that the video may become the most important piece of evidence in this case. And I certainly wouldn`t want to say anything to impede the investigation, but we know for a fact that the FBI sent a special team of investigators down to analyze the placement of the surveillance camera in relation to the photo, so they could figure out how tall this person of interest may be."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/17/ng.01.html

From Rita Cosby:

HARTMANN: Well, what we understand is that the FBI has assisted in this case in various ways. But when we‘re talking about the crime lab, the FBI decided to go an extra step.
Just yesterday, investigators with the FBI went out to this area, the apartment complex where Jennifer Kesse‘s car was found. They surveyed that area. They took particular measurements, and they‘re taking into account the angle of the camera, the time of day, lighting.
They‘re gathering the elements they need to put a formula together to come up with a better, more accurate description of this person that investigators want to talk to. FBI and Orlando police are certainly hoping that they can come up with an exact height and weight of this person of interest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11387272/

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Experts can be wrong. If the study from the man at the University can poke holes in it...wouldn't it mean there was a possibility they were wrong? The problem sometimes is that LE refuses to backdown from something even if they are wrong, imo.

 

[blossomfish]

fwiw, I contacted NG thanking her for the Caylee Anthony coverage and suggesting a revisiting of this case to give it some more attention - at this point, maybe a clue could come from this. Anything is worth a try. It is very hard to have no answers for someone you love being missing. Not sure if a psychic was ever called in but maybe that could be an option. I don't know if there are any who actually have helped solve cases. I am just trying to think of anything at all that would help. (I wonder if the meter reader from CA case would consider becoming a PI, you never know, stranger things have happened...)

 

[wanttohelp]

Forensic specialist weighs in on Kesse
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2006/02/we_had_to_cut_a.html#more

 

[rd_jfc]

well, first of all, thank you for that info, IndianaGirl. However, both of those people are from AMW arouind the same time. They "understand" that the FBI did all this, but I saw the video where the Orlando police did it and I read in a local news report where it mentioned the sent results to the FBI to analyze.

In any event, height is based on how far away from the fence the suspect is. He could be pretty close or he could be well out in the lane. I think in the third still he is at the end of an adjutment of the pool out into the lane, which places him maybe eight feet away from the fence. Of course the camera angle is critical too. We saw in the video where Orlando police was running a line from somewhere to the top of Barbara Jones' head. (if that was her, I think it looked like her.)

Also, if you don't see the taser, thigh rig holster, baton, shoulder patch, badge, and his face wearing sunglasses and the biking helmet then you haven't looked at my pictures.

Also for SS, would appreciate knowing where you saw that the police 1) said they made a mistake on anything, and 2) thought to mention the clothes were negative and they were worrried about it but didn't notice the face was a negative.

Would greatly appreciate a link to that.

rd

 

[wanttohelp]

well, first of all, thank you for that info, IndianaGirl. However, both of those people are from AMW arouind the same time. They "understand" that the FBI did all this, but I saw the video where the Orlando police did it and I read in a local news report where it mentioned the sent results to the FBI to analyze.

In any event, height is based on how far away from the fence the suspect is. He could be pretty close or he could be well out in the lane. I think in the third still he is at the end of an adjutment of the pool out into the lane, which places him maybe eight feet away from the fence. Of course the camera angle is critical too. We saw in the video where Orlando police was running a line from somewhere to the top of Barbara Jones' head. (if that was her, I think it looked like her.)

Also, if you don't see the taser, thigh rig holster, baton, shoulder patch, badge, and his face wearing sunglasses and the biking helmet then you haven't looked at my pictures.

Also for SS, would appreciate knowing where you saw that the police 1) said they made a mistake on anything, and 2) thought to mention the clothes were negative and they were worrried about it but didn't notice the face was a negative.

Would greatly appreciate a link to that.

rd

she (SS) said they dont admit they are wrong, even if they are

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am familiar with Godwin's work, but I couldn't find that particular map on his site.

RD~ His face is not a negative, imo. I have looked at the pictures over and over. My point is you can make out clearly everything else in the background of those untouched photos yet you are saying that you have to look at them as you would adjust an old tv. To me, this makes no logical sense. The whole picture would be off instead of only the clothing and items on the person.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

she (SS) said they dont admit they are wrong, even if they are

LOL A lot of times...they don't. Not every time.

One thing you have to remember about LE is that even when they do mess up...they don't have to explain themselves to anyone. They don't answer to the family. They don't answer to peers. There are many examples of cold cases to prove this.

 

[wanttohelp]

hmmmm....:waitasec:

This is thread #9. What does it take to be a featured case?????

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If this case ever heated up, we would get a forum. This case has never even been warm other than a few of us keeping the flame flickering along the way. If we weren't here discussing theories and speculation...it would have gone to the cold case file long ago.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am still looking for the other link, but this expert said they were mistaken in his opinion about the dark clothing.

The best hope so far is a person of interest captured on a surveillance camera near where Jennifer's car was found. Channel 9 brought the images to expert Dominic Levasseur. He was able to enhance the contrast enough to guess that the person is likely wearing a hat, rather than having a unique hairstyle. He also said the clothing is probably light in color as police first thought.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1294800.shtml

 

[rd_jfc]

I had another post up but it's gone, in any event I'll post the police statement again:

Investigators: 'Person Of Interest' Photo Not What It Seems
WFTV9 News
February 9, 2006

excerpt

Another mystery is the person of interest seen in surveillance video walking past the pool gate of the condos right around the time the car was left there. At first, police thought he was wearing light-colored clothing. But then crime scene investigators working with the surveillance camera noticed their own dark uniforms also appeared light.

"That kind of concerned them and they started looking a bit more at that camera," explained Sgt. Barbara Jones, Orlando Police Department.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL They also said this in the same article:

Police even canvassed salons asking workers to pay attention.

"A stylist might be able to look at that person and identify that particular hair style if they can and are familiar with it and done it recently," Jones said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/6878944/detail.html

 

[Drivenon]

LOL They also said this in the same article:

Police even canvassed salons asking workers to pay attention.

"A stylist might be able to look at that person and identify that particular hair style if they can and are familiar with it and done it recently," Jones said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/6878944/detail.html

Throwing this out there for consumption in the late hour.. Rumor has it that Leonard is looking to get involved in Jenn's case.. Thoughts?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I will have to give that one some thought. The controversy over LP at the moment may be such that it divides the community and I don't want to jeopardize funding or other resources which could then be lost.

 

[Drivenon]

I will have to give that one some thought. The controversy over LP at the moment may be such that it divides the community and I don't want to jeopardize funding or other resources which could then be lost.

This is what I'm sayin.

Although I am fairly confident the Kesse's will not be pawns of anyone's.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The Kesse's, bless their hearts, have done this so low-key that maybe they need to step it up into a full court press with the public and especially with LE. I think it is time they cut their losses with simply going along with OPD and ask for outside help to find Jennifer.