FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

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I just keep thinking back about Israel Keyes MO......he said that he always took the battery out of his phone when he was on the prowl for victims or actually murdering them "going dark" he said....

It looks like cell phone developers could add a power source perhaps a battery that could not be accessed by the public allowing the phone to go to sleep(not using any power) until law enforcement could wake it up and ping it providing its location.....

If the phones that Jennifer had were to have had this capability OPD could have located her and others who disappear.....
 
Re: off vs batteries removed, off is using no power. There's no difference between using no power and having no batteries. The device is dead until turned on. Then if there's no batteries you can't turn it on. That's when it makes a difference.

Powered off, I have read that they do still use power - just a fraction of what they use when powered on. Supposedly, this is the case with some phones if not all phones; when powered on, the radio sends out pings every so often. When powered off, the radio still receives some power, and continues to send out pings, but they are not as strong as the pings sent out when the phone is powered on, so a stronger signal is required to successfully ping a tower.

That is approximately what I read when I did research some time back. There is no real consensus on the subject, but here are two relevant links:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nsa-track-off-mobiles,news-17851.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-bodine/big-brother-is-definitely_b_1799521.html

And there is some discussion on WS here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...wao-9-Feb-2014-1/page42&highlight=carly scott

There is also a relevant comment @ that first link, by 'AKIZU.' "No, it doesn't work that way. When you turn off your phone, it sends one last signal that tells the service provider that it has been powered-off. That's why you get different message if you powered-off the phone and different one if it went out of signal range."
 
Powered off, I have read that they do still use power - just a fraction of what they use when powered on. Supposedly, this is the case with some phones if not all phones; when powered on, the radio sends out pings every so often. When powered off, the radio still receives some power, and continues to send out pings, but they are not as strong as the pings sent out when the phone is powered on, so a stronger signal is required to successfully ping a tower.

That is approximately what I read when I did research some time back. There is no real consensus on the subject, but here are two relevant links:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nsa-track-off-mobiles,news-17851.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-bodine/big-brother-is-definitely_b_1799521.html

And there is some discussion on WS here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...wao-9-Feb-2014-1/page42&highlight=carly scott

There is also a relevant comment @ that first link, by 'AKIZU.' "No, it doesn't work that way. When you turn off your phone, it sends one last signal that tells the service provider that it has been powered-off. That's why you get different message if you powered-off the phone and different one if it went out of signal range."

well, I'll tell you, I looked really hard for a quote like that last one and couldn't find it. That's exactly what I expected but couldn't find it in writing. Thanks for that. As I said my thoughts were simply that carrier didn't see that last signal that tells service provider it's being powered off, therefore presumably battery pulled as reason no more pings. But that's a guess.

The reason I couldn't find it was because of your first statement above. The internet is literally drowning in stuff about off versus batteries removed. I've never seen anything like it. The bottom line is the phone will do whatever it's programmed to do, which varies by phone brand operating software. The first and foremost problem is how many people there are that don't understand the difference between standby and off. The screen goes dark and they call it off when it isn't.

Assuming someone knows difference between phone being off versus being on standby, off would be totally dead. Is there some model that "woke up" periodically and pinged? I think there's a belief there might have been on some models with some firmware, and so you have a gazillion NSA was tracking phones that were off posts. Maybe more than a gazillion.

In general, phones that are off aren't pinging, otherwise they would use the battery as if they were on in standby. But now that you have phones where you can't even remove the battery, and fears that Big Brother is listening to dark pings, tin foil hats are on high alert and paranoia strikes deep.

In any case, the analysis is that batteries were presumably removed, which is not a crime of passion.
 
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You can keep "googling " but I've already told you there is NO WAY to know if batteries were removed from those devices unless they were physically found .

Also , Think about what cellular phones and services that were available in the fall of 2005 not 2016.

Can we move on now ?
Merry Christmas
TT


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You can keep "googling " but I've already told you there is NO WAY to know if batteries were removed from those devices unless they were physically found .

Also , Think about what cellular phones and services that were available in the fall of 2005 not 2016.

Can we move on now ?
Merry Christmas
TT


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and I've told you several times that my guess for carrier / law enforcement to tell Drew that the batteries were presumed to be removed is the lack of an ending signoff signal sent during power off shut down. There's an OS in a phone and it goes through a shut down when you turn the device off.

So as I said before you said anything, I don't know what the basis for it is as cell phones don't ping when turned off, but I can guess there is a lack of an ending transmission signal from the phones which would indicate the batteries were pulled without turning off the devices with the power button.

However, I don't know what the basis for telling Drew that, but I don't assume that the carrier / law enforcement information given to Drew is a stumbling confused babbling nonsense as you do.

And why for the love of all that is holy would you think I am considering anything but 2006 technology? Your assumptions are atrocious.

Merry Christmas to you too.
 
As a new year approaches I'm posting a few casual thoughts on this case. It may be they are worth contemplation. Maybe not.
They are not original but picked up along the way.

There is no trace of any of Jennifer's possessions like car keys, a bracelet, an earring, a shoe or a garment. Astonishing really.

To my knowledge no friend or acquaintance has posted any thoughts or opinions on this mystery on any forum.

How will this case ever be solved? The OPD appear reluctant to let the case files out of their steely grip.
The FBI did some early work on calculation the POI's height I believe.
But surely fresh eyes are needed. Dare I mention a cold case squad.

I dread that this case is dead in the water because LE thinks they don't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

If this is a homicide then it pays to remember most murders are committed by a perpetrator known to the victim.
 
I think if she has passed on , I think it will be solved when the area where she is located is developed.....If she was placed in water, I don't think it will ever be solved....

Cold case detectives come to Orlando from across the US to go through Jennifer's file and other crime victims at least once a year....Wouldn't you love to get to read that information?

Some people in Windmere while out walking came across a key, fob and mace that looked like it had been there for awhile(I think it was found 2-3 years after her disappearance).....There is a fairly good chance that these items belonged to Jennifer as Drew stated he had purchased the mace and leather container for Jennifer, her friends and his family that looked just like the one found....He even owned one himself....
 
I think if she has passed on , I think it will be solved when the area where she is located is developed.....If she was placed in water, I don't think it will ever be solved....

Cold case detectives come to Orlando from across the US to go through Jennifer's file and other crime victims at least once a year....Wouldn't you love to get to read that information?

Some people in Windmere while out walking came across a key, fob and mace that looked like it had been there for awhile(I think it was found 2-3 years after her disappearance).....There is a fairly good chance that these items belonged to Jennifer as Drew stated he had purchased the mace and leather container for Jennifer, her friends and his family that looked just like the one found....He even owned one himself....

Marabel the key fob story is not true. Wouldn't you think if it was it would be confirmed by the authorities? Or would it be just leaked to sluethers on the Internet?
 
As a new year approaches I'm posting a few casual thoughts on this case. It may be they are worth contemplation. Maybe not.
They are not original but picked up along the way.

There is no trace of any of Jennifer's possessions like car keys, a bracelet, an earring, a shoe or a garment. Astonishing really.

To my knowledge no friend or acquaintance has posted any thoughts or opinions on this mystery on any forum.

How will this case ever be solved? The OPD appear reluctant to let the case files out of their steely grip.
The FBI did some early work on calculation the POI's height I believe.
But surely fresh eyes are needed. Dare I mention a cold case squad.

I dread that this case is dead in the water because LE thinks they don't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

If this is a homicide then it pays to remember most murders are committed by a perpetrator known to the victim.

Based on the news information that I looked at, the FBI didn't compute the POI's height. At some point Orlando Police asked them to confirm the methodology used, which was simple angle and feet measurements. It was reported the FBI confirmed the methodology used was correct.

I saw a picture at the time, they had a test subject reenacting the walk in front of the camera. IIRC it was the police spokeswoman, and they had her walking with her back hunched over like she was the hunchback of Notre Dame and taking a huge stride. If you think that image is pretty stupid, it was.

The simple fact of the matter is that they conformed what they thought they saw in the POI image and produced somewhat predetermined results. They concluded the POI was the same height as their spokeswoman on the scene goosestepping like a hunchback.

Now I have dealt with the camera lens distortion in those images as much as anyone in my analysis, for example, that is why the feet are so large in my opinion. Although many many people have disagreed that my analysis and findings are valid results, everyone has a right to their opinion, the one thing that nearly everyone agreed on is that the POI is closer to 5'9 tall, not 5'4 give or take an inch.

In any event my point was the FBI being asked to confirm the methodology is used to say it was an FBI estimate, and it isn't. It was an we think that person is pretty short, let's put our spokeswoman out there and contort her to look like what we see there.

It's no more valid than they believe she was abducted at 8am walking out to her car. But they are long past the point where details like that matter.

The mantra has always been, don't worry about the details, have you seen this woman?

They probably have more blood spatter evidence on any given day than they can deal with, so it's not surprising that this is way past their level of concentration.
 
Marabel the key fob story is not true. Wouldn't you think if it was it would be confirmed by the authorities? Or would it be just leaked to sluethers on the Internet?

No British , I do not believe that it would have been confirmed by law enforcement whether the key fob, mace, key that was found in Windmere.....OPD has released very little.....OPD didn't even want to release the video of the POI parking Jennifer's car and only did so at the insistence of Drew , Jennifer's father.....So there is a lot of information that OPD has they they have not released....I prefer to believe in the possibility that these items did belong to Jennifer.....

These items have been discussed by Blink on Crime who is an investigative journalist who is privy to information that the rest of us do not have as she has interviewed OPD detectives , Jennifer's father......Some of these detectives discuss aspects of Jennifers case on the condition of anonymity .....She has interviewed the people who discovered these items in Windmere.....She has conducted interviews with residents of the Mosaic about Jennifer.....She is a valuable source for us as well as for Jennifer....
 
Just wondering, how common is this keyfob? Something pretty unusual or not? Where was it bought? Was it something sold in Florida wide retail chains or by any chance sourced in Tampa area? Not considering it very possible but just asking.

Are keys the only thing missing from it? There was talk of some mace type container left in her condo? Did she have a key chain security spray? Would it have been on her keyfob?

I'm not thinking the odds are very good that her keyfob with what was on it was tossed out of a vehicle and found and attachments removed, leaving the keyfob laying there. My instinct is that this is not indicative of Jennifer passing through there between 10 pm and 10:40 pm Monday night.
 
The way that I understand it there were several of these mace sprays around as Drew bought several of them...

Drew has said that Jennifer spent a lot of time in Windmere, shopping, dry cleaners etc.....I don't know if the mace/fob is Jennifer's or not but it is possible.....Is it merely a coincidence that the fob/key/mace(that looked exactly like the one Drew carries that he bought when he bought Jennifers) and that she spent a lot of time in Windmere......Just imagine that Jennifer was being taken against her will somewhere in Windmere.....What would be the one thing that her father would recognize as belonging to her? I have even read that these items was found on Jennifer Lane or Road in Windmere but don't know if I believe that or not, but if that is the case it would be chilling to think about it....


A set of keys are missing to Jennifer's car and has never been located....Drew has mentioned that OPD did not ask him for a spare key when Jennifers car was located at the HOTG, he did not know how they accessed it since it had one of those push key pads to access it....
 
Marbell my advice: don't blink. There's a reason her info isn't welcome here.

Authorities aren't going to release any vital info to any of these crime blogger / true crime novelist ect type people . If they were it would jeopardize an investigation for nothing . Frankly , none of their business or ours for that matter .
 
Police don't need keys to get into a car - most cruisers will carry the tools necessary to open the door in case of a lock-out (many departments will open the vehicle for you), emergencies (a person or animal left inside a hot car), or in case of a crime. When I was in Law Enforcement it took me mere seconds to open nearly any make/model of car (regardless of the entry type - key pad, fob, etc).

The way that I understand it there were several of these mace sprays around as Drew bought several of them...

Drew has said that Jennifer spent a lot of time in Windmere, shopping, dry cleaners etc.....I don't know if the mace/fob is Jennifer's or not but it is possible.....Is it merely a coincidence that the fob/key/mace(that looked exactly like the one Drew carries that he bought when he bought Jennifers) and that she spent a lot of time in Windmere......Just imagine that Jennifer was being taken against her will somewhere in Windmere.....What would be the one thing that her father would recognize as belonging to her? I have even read that these items was found on Jennifer Lane or Road in Windmere but don't know if I believe that or not, but if that is the case it would be chilling to think about it....


A set of keys are missing to Jennifer's car and has never been located....Drew has mentioned that OPD did not ask him for a spare key when Jennifers car was located at the HOTG, he did not know how they accessed it since it had one of those push key pads to access it....
 
Drew said that there were boxes of left over Chinese food in the fridge....He said that Jennifer loved Chinese food....He did not know if she had picked it up on the way home Monday evening, if her brother and his friends left it or if it was there prior to her vacation trip....Guess that is one of those unknown's....

He said that Jennifer usually shopped for groceries in Windmere which is less than 10 miles from her condo....whether she felt like going to Windmere after work , who knows?

I would personally doubt that if she had food in her condo prior to her trip that her brother and friends probably ate it all up while there....

If she ordered Chinese to be delivered, was the delivery guy involved in this....

I still doubt that she went anywhere after getting home from work as that was not a habit of hers , she was tired from her vacation.....I think she probably stopped and got something for dinner on the way home or had it delivered...
I'm truely surprised that Mr. Kesse didn't know more about the Chinese takeout. A quick question to his son would have been a start. But, maybe, it was something he didn't want to discuss.

I'm sure the left over take out would have been something law enforcement would have been interested in, provided it wasn't from the weekend. Surely someone would have confirmed exactly when and by whom it had been purchased.

Another thing that I always wondered about was the cleaniness of the apartment. Mrs. Kesse said it was perfectly in order--nice and clean and tidy. But, did anyone ever ask Jennifer's brother if that was how they left it? Or did he feel that Jennifer had spent time cleaning it up the evening before she was reported missing. And the bed--Mr. and Mrs. Kesse said that the bed appeared slept in, but some outfits were on top of the covers. I always wondered if any of the guys slept in her bed while they stayed there, and if they changed and made the bed before they left. Maybe they just pulled the covers up and left it the way it was found. I hope someone checked.

One last thing, I understand that the clothes on the bed were folded--could Jennifer have put them there while she was unpacking and never got a chance to finish? I wonder what made everyone so sure they were alternate outfits for work?
 
I just read some of the earlier reviews and I read that Jennifer was the only one in her building that Monday night.
The two neighbors in her building were out of town .
The predator saw only Jennifer car in the parking lot .
He knew the neighbors are not at home if their car is not there.
 
I'm truely surprised that Mr. Kesse didn't know more about the Chinese takeout. A quick question to his son would have been a start. But, maybe, it was something he didn't want to discuss.

I'm sure the left over take out would have been something law enforcement would have been interested in, provided it wasn't from the weekend. Surely someone would have confirmed exactly when and by whom it had been purchased.

Another thing that I always wondered about was the cleaniness of the apartment. Mrs. Kesse said it was perfectly in order--nice and clean and tidy. But, did anyone ever ask Jennifer's brother if that was how they left it? Or did he feel that Jennifer had spent time cleaning it up the evening before she was reported missing. And the bed--Mr. and Mrs. Kesse said that the bed appeared slept in, but some outfits were on top of the covers. I always wondered if any of the guys slept in her bed while they stayed there, and if they changed and made the bed before they left. Maybe they just pulled the covers up and left it the way it was found. I hope someone checked.

One last thing, I understand that the clothes on the bed were folded--could Jennifer have put them there while she was unpacking and never got a chance to finish? I wonder what made everyone so sure they were alternate outfits for work?

I have asked questions about the Chinese food in the fridge a few times and never got an answer....

The fact that Jennifer's apartment was "maid clean" as her parents put it when describing the way that they found Jennifer's apartment when they entered it on that Tues. afternoon has always stuck with me.....From what her parents and some friends have said, Jennifer was messy.....often leaving her pj's , underwear on the bathroom floor, clothes that she had tried on on the bed....Her father says that she is/was a "car slob"...Did Jennifer's brother and his friends clean her apartment up so well after partying there for several days that it would appear "maid clean" when they left it? Did they hire a cleaning service to come in....I have never seen where Logan described how the apartment was left when they left it.....I know it is possible that there are some young men who are capable of paying enough attention to detail to leave an apartment "maid clean" after staying there for days but I doubt that that happens that often.....

As crazy as this may seem I have wondered if Jennifer left clothes on her bed , pj's and underwear on the floor the day she left to go on her vacation and her brother and his friends just stepped on them or over them while they were there....It may not be probable that she left her apartment this way but it my be possible....You know that all four of the young men did not sleep in the bed and they may have just decided to sprawl out in the living room and sleep....

I watch a lot of crime show's enough to know that just because a residence does not appear to be a crime scene is just not always the case....Once show recently the residence had been cleared where this husband was killed....forensics found nothing the first time they went through it.....the forensic techs decided to go back , the wife met them at the door and asked them to remove their shoes before entering......As they were leaving the home one of the techs stepped on a damp area in the carpet.....It turned out that this home was the crime scene.

Criminals stage homes all of the time so that it appears that the victim left their home as per usual when in actuality it was made to appear that way after the crime was committed.....

So, what I am getting at is that just because Jennifer's apartment looked "maid clean" it does not mean nothing happened there...
 
I just read some of the earlier reviews and I read that Jennifer was the only one in her building that Monday night.
The two neighbors in her building were out of town .
The predator saw only Jennifer car in the parking lot .
He knew the neighbors are not at home if their car is not there.

I think that I read once that the woman who lived in the same building as Jennifer but on the floor below was there when Jennifer disappeared.....She has never granted an interview about it ....I don't know if she was afraid to discuss it or if OPD told her not to or not but apparently she has not discussed it publically ....
 
There were a few posts mentioning Windermere. I've heard about it and the expensive homes, etc. but thought there'd be some substantial retail somewhere, for example, mentioned that Jennifer went there to take care of some things.

I ran across the name again elsewhere and decided to take a look at it on the map. I see you get there on Conroy the opposite direction of going to Huntington on the Green (west versus east). But I saw next to nothing on retail there, just a small Main St. village type thing.

I rechecked with satellite images and that's all there is. Maybe Windermere is a euphemism as in I drive toward Windermere and there's some retail on Conroy before I get there that I use, etc. I don't know. Of course there would be extensive retail and services surrounding the Millenia Mall so I don't get the Windermere thing.
 
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