FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #12

[rd_jfc]

This is excellent info Truth and I hope others are able to weigh in on it.

My prior comments have alluded to this. It's not 9-1-1 level triangulation but pings recorded at different towers gives a very rough idea of shading toward the other tower rather than miles away farther in another direction for example. But as you mentioned in range, cell phone could contact tower within that range and a closer tower. And within 30 seconds, etc. as Drew is mentioning. I just don't see why he's confused about that.

From my research, actual triangulation is done by carriers for law enforcement purposes, including locating source of a 9-1-1 call. It's a process where they know towers involved and signal strengths and measure simultaneous time received at all towers. Given that information they can pinpoint the cell phone to within several hundred yards. These are not the few pings that are recorded historically but a monitoring and analysis of signals sent and received for this purpose.

Looking at the historical data as we are is helpful to degree that it probably points away from extreme locations in other directions.

You're an ace researcher, Truth. Great work.

 

[Truth Prevails]

That is interesting. I didn't know there were pairs of sandals left in the car. On other hand I don't know a lot details like that, I keep seeing stuff like that as I follow along through the years.

I wouldn't expect that Jennifer would wear heels much on an island getaway but I would expect that new shoes ("heels") she told her family about she took with her. And she needed to wear something she brought with her to work Monday.

A long time ago someone said that Jennifer changed to comfortable shoes (e.g., sandals) to drive. They also said IIRC that she was prone to leave her work shoes in the car in the briefcase. I don't know if there's any basis to that, or how often she might have done that, but I thought it was possible that if the briefcase was missing, that the missing new shoes might be in it.

But now we're told the briefcase isn't missing, we don't know what was found in the car (really, is that true?), and possibly the new shoes could not be missing. I don't know, was this somehow addressed specifically by OPD? I guess a better question is did the OPD ever address anything.

Well, I think we can be sure that both a fiber and a partial print were found somewhere in Jennifer's vehicle. (I'm thinking maybe the fiber and the partial print were found inside the trunk).

Other than that, though, I'm not sure what to make of the rest. I'm not sure if the pictures of the items in the interior of Jenn's vehicle are another "re-creation," as are the pictures of the inside of the condo showing the items folded on the foot of the bed, etc. For some reason, I suspect the photos of the vehicle interior may be the real thing but I don't know if someone leaked them to the media or how they came to be.

Here are a few more; one of the DVD player which according to Rob was still strapped in exactly as he had done it; and one of the center console showing Jenn's mail key and her car cell phone charger: (Just click on them to enlarge--both are quite big to post on the thread).


Link for Photobucket account showing the DVD player: http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/jjkimages/media/bWVkaWFJZDozMjg5MzQ1/?ref=1

Link for Photobucket account showing the key and phone charger: http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/jjkimages/media/bWVkaWFJZDozMjg5Mzgw/?ref=1

But here is a direct quote from yet another old MSM link that doesn't work any more:

Snipped quote: ... He said, even with the splashes of processing fluid used to check for evidence, his daughter Jennifer's car is cleaner than she ever kept it. Detectives likely have most of the items of clutter that used to be there, hoping for clues. ...

. . .

... Fingerprint dust lines the steering wheel, gear shift, door handles and anything else a suspect might have touched. The seats and floors were likely vacuumed to collect hairs and fibers. Soil tests could show where the mud caked on the bottom of the car came from. ...
http://www.wftv.com/news/7162648/detail.html


From reading the above, I have a little confidence that the car was thoroughly gone over by law enforcement but I cannot accept that they put everything back as shown in the photos.

So, I dunno.

The thing about the shoes being in the briefcase is one of those "things" about this case that was originally speculated as a possibility but got repeated and repeated and repeated until we all accept it as fact. It is not.

We can choose to believe Mrs. Kesse that Jennifer's briefcase is currently with law enforcement in an evidence storage locker, or not--because even she is not sure.

Mrs. Kesse makes zero mention of the possibility of Jennifer's new Alligator pumps with three inch heels (9 West Shoes) being in the work briefcase. She believes they are missing.

With the exception of the tiny fiber containing an incomplete DNA profile and the partial print, nothing has been officially addressed by OPD.

Oh, and they said Jennifer vanished. Do you think they really believe a human being can vanish?

 

[Truth Prevails]

What that does is point away from her dumping the phone off on a mutual friend. I wanted to know what was said and now I know. It's possible, but would be more like she thought it was likely a mutual friend was driving over to Tampa in next day or two and he could take it. But it wouldn't be like I worded it, dumping it off on the friend.

I'm not sure of what reasoning she would have had to expect a mutual friend to drive to Tampa. There is one mutual friend that I am aware of but that person was living in Orlando at the time of Jennifer's disappearance.

You know, speaking along that vein, I have often wondered why Jennifer's brother and his friend didn't just turn their vehicle around and go back to Orlando and pick-up the cell phone in person. If there really was an urgency to it that would make the most sense--it's really not that far a drive for two young guys.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I realize it's suggested frequently here when POI as armed guard is mentioned about going to her door. I'm not sure why anyone suggests that. I can't imagine a less likely course of action than that. Granted, there's more to it in this case. As assumption of stalking, no neighbors, suggesting they could act with impunity, etc.

There's so much that can go wrong with that concerning being seen, forcing your way inside with need to quickly silence, etc. That doesn't even address what it takes to get a victim to the door, opened and unchained, to get in and overcome, again with no commotion that could be heard by anyone anywhere, walking or drivng by, anyone. The whole concept is like the last way that one would go about doing this.

That's also predicated on identifying a victim, stalking, surveillance, and all that encompasses to determine "no neighbors" etc. which would be extremely unusual to say the least.

What is likely is a crime of opportunity, sitting in a car in a mall parking lot for example, keeping an eye out for a possible victim, using an official presence to stop and then subdue someone back into their car.

I will say this. If the phones weren't pinging and then disabled 20 minutes later we wouldn't be conjecturing how Jennifer got abducted then.

Okay. I see now--your way does make the most sense if one goes with a spur-of-the-moment outing and a random abduction.

Maybe I'm just in denial.

You know, I can see a million women getting caught-up in a scenario like that--myself included. But not Jennifer. Because of how her parents and friends describe her--including Rob, I believe she took her personal safety to a level most of us really don't at 24 years of age.

Due to the statements about the knock on her door that evening and a can of mace being out on her counter, I can make a case of Jenn's already heightened sense of personal safety, heightening to the next level.

Maybe it's a female living alone thing and guys don't get it, but we know with extra awareness that we have to take care of ourselves. It would take a lot--an important event that there should be some evidence of--to make someone like Jennifer put herself at risk. But that's just my opinion and I'm stubborn and not ready to give in yet.

I don't know if statistics still hold true on this but most rapists get women at the woman's own door. So when we are going in or coming out alone, we are aware--believe me. And I'm sure a woman like Jennifer would be extra aware. And after the evening she had, and her mood being funky to begin with? Oh, I'm having a hard time with this "random abduction" thinking.

I don't think I understand the last part of your last statement. I'm with you on the first part--the phones pinging from around 10 pm until 10:20 pm; then nothing for 20 minutes; then the disabling at 10:40 pm. That's what I believe, too. (After some review).

But what would be more evident about Jennifer's abduction that we wouldn't need to conjecture if we didn't have the few facts we have from the ping study? I kind of think without that information even more conjectural possibilities are on the table.

 

[Truth Prevails]

in the parking mall there is security cameras and
many cars are parking there.,people go to the bar and restaurants in the mall so in a way it is more risky.
i think the predator worked in the mosaic office.
He knew there are no cameras in the whole place. He also knew there is no securiry guard at the entrance ,the gate was always open , no one kept track who comes in and out.
A scenario could be
After his work ended arond 5 or 6 pm , he waited for Jennifer to come home and abducted her later that night. The whole time his car was left there and later he returned riding a bicycle. He could have returned late at night or very early in the morning before anyone can see him.

Sometimes I wonder if there would be a possibility that he worked at the Hunnington-On-The-Green complex? Maybe even at one time; and by the time of Jennifer's abduction he had gotten hired on at the Mosaic?

But something like that--because I always get the impression he was very familiar with both complexes.

I love your comments--you seem to sense the stalking and planning that I do, but you seem to feel it better. If that makes any sense.

 

[shelly111]

Sometimes I wonder if there would be a possibility that he worked at the Hunnington-On-The-Green complex? Maybe even at one time; and by the time of Jennifer's abduction he had gotten hired on at the Mosaic?

But something like that--because I always get the impression he was very familiar with both complexes.

I love your comments--you seem to sense the stalking and planning that I do, but you seem to feel it better. If that makes any sense.

Thank you truth
in the video some people suggest including jd_rc that the way the poi wears his pants is like a bicycle rider...
he had a bicycle somewhere at the mosaic.
everything points to the mosaic apts complex
Jennifer lived in orlando for long time and nothing happanned then she moved to the apt and dissapeared after only 2 months of living there .
Also oak ridge road, not far from where jennifer lived , had some weird incidents
There was a case where a woman crossing the road was hit by a police car .
Oak ridge rd is kind of a dark road and the police driver couldn't explain why he chase someone without using sirens and no police lights on .
there were few other people killed on this road ,who knows if some were intentionally or not .

 

[rd_jfc]

I'm not sure of what reasoning she would have had to expect a mutual friend to drive to Tampa. There is one mutual friend that I am aware of but that person was living in Orlando at the time of Jennifer's disappearance.

You know, speaking along that vein, I have often wondered why Jennifer's brother and his friend didn't just turn their vehicle around and go back to Orlando and pick-up the cell phone in person. If there really was an urgency to it that would make the most sense--it's really not that far a drive for two young guys.

You're absolutely right. It wouldn't take much.

I was just checking on some of my really older postings and I see where I got the "asked her to overnight it". WFTV reported that on Feb. 10, 2006. It's easy to word one way ot the other, I just think that her actually suggesting it is much more indicative of her mindset on it than he asked her to overnight it, even if she readily agreed.

This is also the where the police said after being asked to overnight it, she is thought to have gone out looking for a roadside drop mailbox to send the "package". We've covered this in much detail. That makes such little sense it's like me trying to speculate on why she'd take the phone somewhere. Not much that makes sense.

So that brings me back to originally I looked for a 24 hour FedEx. I ended up thinking the FedEx Kinkos on Orange Blossom by a UCF campus, opening at 6 am, explained a lot of things. That was before I saw all the stuff about she would have shipped it from work, and of course before knowing about the phones going dead at 10:20 pm or so.

I still haven't, and I guess I never will, have seen any corroborating details about why a few I guess who know her a lot better than any of us are very confident she was going to ship the phone from work. nothing like it was how she handled her packages, or she told someone Monday evening that's how she'd handle it, or there was a strong culture at work of office mates doing this, just nothing. Yet they were confident, but I don't know why.

And she may have decided to take it to a 24 hour FedEx. I remember checking on that at the time I was working on this, in 2007, and there was one not close but in the area. Looking now I see one on Sand Lake that is at bottom of John Young Pkwy. It's probably considered something she wouldn't do due to handling it at work, yet if she is like me and every situation that I know of she had to handle it outside of work, and she may have well decided to take care of it.

I don't know, but I know there isn't anything else that has more basis. At least I haven't heard it.

 

[rd_jfc]

Okay. I see now--your way does make the most sense if one goes with a spur-of-the-moment outing and a random abduction.

Maybe I'm just in denial.

You know, I can see a million women getting caught-up in a scenario like that--myself included. But not Jennifer. Because of how her parents and friends describe her--including Rob, I believe she took her personal safety to a level most of us really don't at 24 years of age.

Due to the statements about the knock on her door that evening and a can of mace being out on her counter, I can make a case of Jenn's already heightened sense of personal safety, heightening to the next level.

Maybe it's a female living alone thing and guys don't get it, but we know with extra awareness that we have to take care of ourselves. It would take a lot--an important event that there should be some evidence of--to make someone like Jennifer put herself at risk. But that's just my opinion and I'm stubborn and not ready to give in yet.

I don't know if statistics still hold true on this but most rapists get women at the woman's own door. So when we are going in or coming out alone, we are aware--believe me. And I'm sure a woman like Jennifer would be extra aware. And after the evening she had, and her mood being funky to begin with? Oh, I'm having a hard time with this "random abduction" thinking.

I don't think I understand the last part of your last statement. I'm with you on the first part--the phones pinging from around 10 pm until 10:20 pm; then nothing for 20 minutes; then the disabling at 10:40 pm. That's what I believe, too. (After some review).

But what would be more evident about Jennifer's abduction that we wouldn't need to conjecture if we didn't have the few facts we have from the ping study? I kind of think without that information even more conjectural possibilities are on the table.

I just meant without that hard info forcing us to deal with what happened at 10:20 pm we would not be doing it. We would be figuring out what went wrong the next morning.

But with the ping activity and phones going dead, no sign of activity in kitchen which is a long time to not have any sign of activity, neither her nor her car seen next morning by landscapers, there is literally nothing to indicate Jennifer's presence other than a damp shower, and interestingly this was 3 pm plus in the afternoon.

I realize that makes the previous evening less likely after that many hours, but if it's still damp all day into the afternoon what does that mean? Could the POI have used her shower before parking her car at HOTG?

Talk about being seen. That would be very risky, but perhaps he thought washing off in her shower was less risky than the higher possibility of Jennifer's hair etc. detected in his shower if it were examined? Maybe he needed to change clothes and couldn't be seen where he lived, where her car belonged at the Mosaic if seen.

I don't know, but a damp shower all day as the only sign of presence doesn't even make sense for an early morning shower.

 

[Markybug]

If the landscapers say her car was definitely not there in the AM , then that points to a evening scenario? Of course if they are not telling the truth ... that takes things another route.

 

[Truth Prevails]

If the landscapers say her car was definitely not there in the AM , then that points to a evening scenario? Of course if they are not telling the truth ... that takes things another route.

This is a really interesting point, and one that I often wish was given more attention.

My understanding is there was a woman living in the condo directly under Jenn's. I wonder if at any time even on the evening of the 23rd had she noticed Jennifer's vehicle parked in the 2226 parking spot?

What about the upstairs neighbor who had supposedly knocked on Jenn's condo door at some point during that same evening? Had he noticed Jennifer's car anywhere?

In all my reading on this case, I have been unable to confirm if Jennifer had to park in that spot or if she could park on the other side of the building (pond side). There definitely were parking spaces there.

I read an old comment by one of the Kesses which said that during their call to the condo management to have them check Jenn's condo, they also mentioned the two men who checked got into a golf cart or a small motorized cart like that and drove around the complex. They reported back they hadn't seen her vehicle anywhere, but my point is maybe this could have been an indication she could have parked anywhere she wanted because they seemed to have gone to the trouble to look.

This is something that I wonder if law enforcement is withholding details on because it could have significance to the timeline.

 

[Markybug]

Truth , wasn’t there a mention that apart from jenns designated , marked and numbered space , she could also park at the pond in a general space ?

 

[Truth Prevails]

Thank you truth
in the video some people suggest including jd_rc that the way the poi wears his pants is like a bicycle rider...
he had a bicycle somewhere at the mosaic.
everything points to the mosaic apts complex
Jennifer lived in orlando for long time and nothing happanned then she moved to the apt and dissapeared after only 2 months of living there .
Also oak ridge road, not far from where jennifer lived , had some weird incidents
There was a case where a woman crossing the road was hit by a police car .
Oak ridge rd is kind of a dark road and the police driver couldn't explain why he chase someone without using sirens and no police lights on .
there were few other people killed on this road ,who knows if some were intentionally or not .

Indeed, Oak Ridge Road does keeps coming up and coming up in discussions about Jennifer.

The Kesses were and, I believe, still are adamant that Jennifer would never go near it after 10 o'clock at night, especially by herself. Mr. Kesse even had Jennifer's hair examined to prove that she did not do drugs.

In the beginning of this case--and I know from reading back that you have followed this case almost from the beginning--law enforcement seemed riveted to the Oak Ridge Road area. I know there is one of those overnight shipping places near there where it's speculated that Jenn might have gone against her better judgement to try to get the phone off to Travis. I'm not sure there really was any urgency over the phone, though.

And the other big thing that seems to have held law enforcement to the area was the look-alike prostitute--also named Jennifer. I think all that was a ruse--another possible indication of the planning that went into Jennifer's abduction.

And it may have worked because after law enforcement spent a poop load of time chasing that woman down, all they had left for the real Jennifer was a bunch of tips form psychics.

Where happened to all the tips that would have lead to the real Jennifer Joyce Kesse?

 

[Truth Prevails]

You're absolutely right. It wouldn't take much.

I was just checking on some of my really older postings and I see where I got the "asked her to overnight it". WFTV reported that on Feb. 10, 2006. It's easy to word one way ot the other, I just think that her actually suggesting it is much more indicative of her mindset on it than he asked her to overnight it, even if she readily agreed.

This is also the where the police said after being asked to overnight it, she is thought to have gone out looking for a roadside drop mailbox to send the "package". We've covered this in much detail. That makes such little sense it's like me trying to speculate on why she'd take the phone somewhere. Not much that makes sense.

So that brings me back to originally I looked for a 24 hour FedEx. I ended up thinking the FedEx Kinkos on Orange Blossom by a UCF campus, opening at 6 am, explained a lot of things. That was before I saw all the stuff about she would have shipped it from work, and of course before knowing about the phones going dead at 10:20 pm or so.

I still haven't, and I guess I never will, have seen any corroborating details about why a few I guess who know her a lot better than any of us are very confident she was going to ship the phone from work. nothing like it was how she handled her packages, or she told someone Monday evening that's how she'd handle it, or there was a strong culture at work of office mates doing this, just nothing. Yet they were confident, but I don't know why.

And she may have decided to take it to a 24 hour FedEx. I remember checking on that at the time I was working on this, in 2007, and there was one not close but in the area. Looking now I see one on Sand Lake that is at bottom of John Young Pkwy. It's probably considered something she wouldn't do due to handling it at work, yet if she is like me and every situation that I know of she had to handle it outside of work, and she may have well decided to take care of it.

I don't know, but I know there isn't anything else that has more basis. At least I haven't heard it.

Yeah, I'm afraid it will always remain a riddle--just out of reach, but so close.

Sometimes I wonder if the 2nd cell phone has no real bearing on Jennifer's disappearance. It seems like the one and only thing that could have given her a reason to leave the safety of her condo--but if Jennifer's kidnapping was planned, it would have happened with or without Travis' cell phone. So maybe it is simply a "red herring".

Your point about whether she really could have mailed that phone from work is excellent--like all you points. Unless the company offered it as a "perk" to employees at a certain level, I agree that it most likely wouldn't have been something that easy to do. Maybe she could have ran out on her noon break to do it--I'm sure there was something close to her work where she could have accomplished it.

It's just some instinct within me that keeps rearing its head making me debate this. :blushing:

If she was going to try to get the phone in the mail that evening, I believe she would have gone out before she talked to Rob, not after. She told her guy she was in bed. Why would she lie? We are talking about a clear headed, responsible, woman.

A guy might do things differently--but not a woman. Not a woman who was born with a premonition of someone taking her and no-one being able to find her; a woman who heard someone at her door at some point earlier in the evening; a woman who got her mace out.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Truth , wasn’t there a mention that apart from jenns designated , marked and numbered space , she could also park at the pond in a general space ?

Yes, I believe you are correct that it was "mentioned".

I wonder if it was mentioned as fact, or mentioned as speculation, though?

Her balcony overlooked the pond side so I always wondered if she had parked there so maybe she could keep an eye on her car because of the DVD player in the back.

And, suppose she parked there that once and she didn't usually; then suppose a random person noticed her space empty, went to her door and knocked and she didn't answer or make a sound. Now suppose that person decided no-one was home and came back with a key; but Jennifer met him at the door that time. What would happen?

Thus, a theory for a random abduction, which I don't really believe. But still. The only thing wrong with it is that Jennifer told her father she always put a chair under the door knob so he shouldn't have been able to get in, even with a key.

But maybe that particular night she was simply too tired to bring the chair to the door. But why take the cell phones; why move her vehicle?

 

[rd_jfc]

Yeah, I'm afraid it will always remain a riddle--just out of reach, but so close.

Sometimes I wonder if the 2nd cell phone has no real bearing on Jennifer's disappearance. It seems like the one and only thing that could have given her a reason to leave the safety of her condo--but if Jennifer's kidnapping was planned, it would have happened with or without Travis' cell phone. So maybe it is simply a "red herring".

Your point about whether she really could have mailed that phone from work is excellent--like all you points. Unless the company offered it as a "perk" to employees at a certain level, I agree that it most likely wouldn't have been something that easy to do. Maybe she could have ran out on her noon break to do it--I'm sure there was something close to her work where she could have accomplished it.

It's just some instinct within me that keeps rearing its head making me debate this. :blushing:

If she was going to try to get the phone in the mail that evening, I believe she would have gone out before she talked to Rob, not after. She told her guy she was in bed. Why would she lie? We are talking about a clear headed, responsible, woman.

A guy might do things differently--but not a woman. Not a woman who was born with a premonition of someone taking her and no-one being able to find her; a woman who heard someone at her door at some point earlier in the evening; a woman who got her mace out.

Some thoughts on your thoughts...

That's interesting about placing the chair under the doorknob. I would expect she had either a deadbolt or a doorchain. With a doorchain a door that was opened could be shoved insid the length of a chain, and the base of a doorchain is not nearly as sturdy as a deadbolt, hence the chair which would keep an opened door from being pushed in at all.

However, without the chair you would still have massive damage from pulling the doorchain out of the frame.
It's difficult to concieve of her going outside in heels and carrying the friend's phone as well as hers for any reason but going somewhere.

Which brings us to being in bed. My guess is she was "in bed" most of the evening on the phone. unless someone who knows her well knows that she for example preferred to sit on a sofa, an easychair, or something while talking on the phone, my guess is she sat at the head of the bed and leaned back on pillows, etc. to relax.

I don't think she got into bed, pulled covers over her, call her bf and said good night, and went to sleep. I don't thnk she lied to her bf saying she was in bed. The people she talked to may shed light that makes that guess wrong, but that's what I envision.

While she could have found a shipping place near work at lunchtime, it eats up a good portion of your lunch hour so to speak and can be very slow, especially when other people have the same idea. She could possibly just pick up and leave work any time to take care of it, but again not something you see very often.

Thanks for your thoughts, Truth.

 

[fridaybaker]

Some thoughts on your thoughts...

That's interesting about placing the chair under the doorknob. I would expect she had either a deadbolt or a doorchain. With a doorchain a door that was opened could be shoved insid the length of a chain, and the base of a doorchain is not nearly as sturdy as a deadbolt, hence the chair which would keep an opened door from being pushed in at all.

However, without the chair you would still have massive damage from pulling the doorchain out of the frame.
It's difficult to concieve of her going outside in heels and carrying the friend's phone as well as hers for any reason but going somewhere.

Which brings us to being in bed. My guess is she was "in bed" most of the evening on the phone. unless someone who knows her well knows that she for example preferred to sit on a sofa, an easychair, or something while talking on the phone, my guess is she sat at the head of the bed and leaned back on pillows, etc. to relax.

I don't think she got into bed, pulled covers over her, call her bf and said good night, and went to sleep. I don't thnk she lied to her bf saying she was in bed. The people she talked to may shed light that makes that guess wrong, but that's what I envision.

While she could have found a shipping place near work at lunchtime, it eats up a good portion of your lunch hour so to speak and can be very slow, especially when other people have the same idea. She could possibly just pick up and leave work any time to take care of it, but again not something you see very often.

Thanks for your thoughts, Truth.

My interpretation of "in bed", for what it's worth, which likely isn't much, is: In bed, in night clothes. Ready for bed. Ready, after the phone conversation to sleep, although maybe would get up and get something to drink, brush teeth, etc., Otherwise, though, "in bed" for the night.

Now, were I talking on the phone, fully dressed except, maybe, shoes, and leaning back on the pillow having that conversation, I'd be "on the bed". When BF asks "are you home?", the answer would be -"Yes. I'm in my room/on the bed, etc. I'm tired."

My answer for the other would be "Yes. I'm in bed. I'm tired".

This may be parsing things a bit too finely, but I just can't square the "in bed" with being dressed and planning or willing to go back out.

She was "in for the night", in my book, and it would have taken quite a bit to make her go back out. Alone. At night. Afraid, as it was, around the half-empty complex. Afraid, actually, of being anywhere where she might be "taken", so as to always be on her phone when walking at night or in lonely places.

Also, she got off the phone from Rob at about 10, if I remember correctly. She had work the next day. I'd love to know how often she went out and got home late on work nights.

 

[Markybug]

Indeed, Oak Ridge Road does keeps coming up and coming up in discussions about Jennifer.

The Kesses were and, I believe, still are adamant that Jennifer would never go near it after 10 o'clock at night, especially by herself. Mr. Kesse even had Jennifer's hair examined to prove that she did not do drugs.

In the beginning of this case--and I know from reading back that you have followed this case almost from the beginning--law enforcement seemed riveted to the Oak Ridge Road area. I know there is one of those overnight shipping places near there where it's speculated that Jenn might have gone against her better judgement to try to get the phone off to Travis. I'm not sure there really was any urgency over the phone, though.

And the other big thing that seems to have held law enforcement to the area was the look-alike prostitute--also named Jennifer. I think all that was a ruse--another possible indication of the planning that went into Jennifer's abduction.

And it may have worked because after law enforcement spent a poop load of time chasing that woman down, all they had left for the real Jennifer was a bunch of tips form psychics.

Where happened to all the tips that would have lead to the real Jennifer Joyce Kesse?

Interesting theory re the prostitute Truth , could you expand on it ?


If we are theorising a night time abduction, but jenn not leaving voluntarily, ie the mobile , this would mean a person or persons gaining access to her flat ?

How would the clothes laid out , make up , shower etc tie into that ? Could she have been forced into those actions, then removed in her car ?

 

[Questions123]

I'm just speculating here but I wanted to say a couple of things. One thought I keep coming back to is why would Jennifer leave her condo when she is so vigilant with safety after 10pm. Sending something that late or the next day wouldnt make a difference really so it seems out of character from what we know for her to venture out that late particularly after she spoke with her bf and didnt mention it to him and said she was in bed. He knows her better than us so im going to say if she told him she was in bed she was winding down for the night. Most of us on this thread are leaning towards something happening to Jen that evening so for me it begs the question who would try to rouse Jen from her apartment and under what guise? assuming she never stepped foot out of her condo that evening of her own free will.

I wonder how hard the neighbour that knocked was questioned (without sounding too accusatory). We know she checked the peephole because she identified to rob who knocked without answering the door. Who knocks that late and what for? Could he have planned to work his way into her condo when he knocked but she never answered so it didn't go to plan. The other thing is once she continued her phone conversation how do we know the neighbour wasnt still lurking. Perhaps he was listening at the door the whole time? Could he have been obsessed with her from a distance? She lived alone was new in the complex which I'm assuming he would know if he felt comfortable enough to knock that time of evening and perhaps he thought she was single and maybe he started to pay attention to her routine.

I believe whoever did this new Jen whether it was briefly but the chances of someone lurking and grabbing Jen in the morning on her way to her car in daylight is very risky. At the same time stumbling across her apartment at night they would still have no idea who lived there so they had to of seen her earlier in the day otherwise they're would be signs of broken entry as she wouldnt open the door to a stranger by all accounts.

I'm jst spitballing some thoughts as this case frustrates me. I really hope one day Jens family can get some tangible answers.

 

[shelly111]

there is overnight fed-ex located at oak ridge rd and johnyoung pkwy ,
maybe at the last minute she decided to go there and send the phone,that way she will not have to deal with it in the morning
the pñace id kind of isolated and she cparkedould have in an area with no cameras ?

 

[Truth Prevails]

Interesting theory re the prostitute Truth , could you expand on it ?

I don't have much to expand any thoughts I have regarding that. For me, it's just another one of those strange instances in this case that could "maybe" point to elaborate cunning by the perpetrator.

In support of my mentioning this, here are a few quotes from some old MSM articles I have dug up: (The links don't work anymore but I add them only to show the articles had viable links in 2006).

Snipped quote: ... Investigators received a tip Sunday from a woman who said Kesse was being held in an apartment unit at 1414 40th Street in Orange County.

"We had information that she was seen there and that she was alive and she was being held against her will," Orange police Sgt. Richard Ring said. "Detectives working the case interviewed that person and that person apparently gave them enough information to make them concerned."

A SWAT team searched inside the structure but did not find the missing woman or any sign she had been there in past weeks. ...
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.d ... 1086/rss07

Snipped quote: ... Sgt. Ring spoke to the tipster himself Sunday afternoon. Two other detectives met with the caller in person. Four hours later, they raided the building. The tipster was so credible, they believed it was the information they'd been waiting for. ...
http://www.wftv.com/news/7000940/detail ... c&psp=news

Snipped quote: ... Eyewitness News has learned dozens of leads in the Jennifer Kesse search have been a case of mistaken identity.

Orlando detectives who are working to find Jennifer said they've documented close to 1,000 leads in the last three weeks. Many of them have lead to a prostitute known to frequent the Orange Blossom Trail area.

Sources said Orlando police have been in contact with a suspected prostitute known to frequent OBT who resembles Jennifer. That woman's name is also Jennifer, which could be why so many people have called in leads that aren't panning out.

Detectives thought it was one of their more promising leads, even raiding a rooming house with a SWAT team. But the blonde woman named Jennifer thought to be seen there was not Jennifer Kesse. ...
http://www.wftv.com/news/7127257/detail.html

If we are theorising a night time abduction, but jenn not leaving voluntarily, ie the mobile , this would mean a person or persons gaining access to her flat ?

Yes, I admit it would indicate exactly that. I borrow rd_jfc's theory that the perpetrator could have been dressed as a law enforcement or security impersonator. If he was good enough, I think Jennifer may have opened her door under those circumstances. Suppose he was paid to abduct Jennifer and bring her to a specific address--once the condo door opened, Jennifer could have been subdued within seconds with no signs of a struggle.

I'm not really satisfied with that as a theory, though--it's too elaborate; too complicated. What would be the motive? So, it doesn't really make sense--I know that.

How would the clothes laid out , make up , shower etc tie into that ? Could she have been forced into those actions, then removed in her car ?

Regarding:

the clothes laid out: The clothes shown in the picture--which I know was a re-enactment--were all neatly folded as if she had simple grabbed a pile from her luggage and laid them there intending to put them in her drawer or wherever they belonged. To me, they don't even resemble work outfits that would co-ordinate with the much discussed maybe missing shoes. I would think even for a re-enactment, they would have set out skirts, blazers, something obviously indicating business attire. So, with respectful thoughts for Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, I don't know what to believe there.

I am more concerned about Jennifer's night clothes found on her bathroom floor. This indicates she did get dressed sometime after talking to Rob. Why? If it was a surprise attack, she wouldn't have had time to change.

make up I doubt she brought that much make up with her. Most women have tons of that stuff taking up space in the bathroom but we don't usually use it all everyday; not that much of it usually comes traveling with us. Jennifer was young and beautifully tanned. In the few vacation pictures I have seen, I don't see a woman that bothered with a lot of make up. She probably had a small travel bag that she threw her contact stuff in and a few other things and that was it. Maybe she removed it from her larger bag to get her contact case out, or something like that; but I don't think it's an indication that she was there in the morning. Even if she brought her curling iron on vacation with her--that would probably come out when she rummaged through to get her contact stuff. It would just take a minute.

shower I feel there are too many variables involved with the moisture level indicating a shower. It's simply not solid evidence, and I wish I felt different because I know how strongly some people hold onto this as evidence that Jennifer was in her condo on the morning of the 24th. There is really nothing that puts her there in the morning--nothing in the trash but junk mail from the evening of the 23rd; nothing indicating she anything for breakfast; her alarm clock--ie, her cell phone, had been disabled at 10:40 pm on the 24th; no phone call or text to Rob who called her his human alarm clock. Nothing.