FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #2

[LaMer]

Yes - very small segment - only 3 minutes in length.

Reason for tantalizing media advertising?

IMO - unfortunately, it was "typical Geraldo sensationalism" simply capitalizing on the current notoriety of Inman, the criminal of the moment. Just gaining viewership ...

Jennifer's name & disappearance case was never even mentioned. Disappointing .. another opportunity missed ..

Okay, A local heads up ...

There was a quick blip on our local news last night regarding Jennifer. The news anchor said that the case was still unsolved and that Jennifer's parents were now going to launch "an internet blitz". No details revealed - nothing more was said. Guess we'll have to wait & see what they have in mind.


13th Juror

Hi 13th Juror! What would we do without you? Our Orlando eyes and ears

Wow, an 'internet blitz" ~interesting! I'll be anxious to see what that entails. The messaging has really slowed down, as there hasn't been much to talk about for a long time, except speculation, and that gets us almost no where. Still praying for Jennifer tho and think about her often.

Remember when Jennifer first went missing, her parents had a talk with Ed Smart? I have always thought, this is where their hearts and dreams are centered, hoping and praying Jennifer's return will come as did Elizabeth Smart being found walking on the street. That would be a real miracle at this point. I pray with all my heart it happens someday.

Note in their last message:

QUOTE: "We will not let this community forget about Jennifer's abduction…there is a person or persons living in the Orlando area who are involved and we would ask everyone to keep discussing this case with everyone you know until we touch that someone who has the information that will help us find Jennifer…Please keep in mind that Jennifer probably looks very different - naturally or by design of her abductor(s) than she did 5 months ago. By keeping this story active, we may prevent another abduction." END QUOTE

Yes, I am reading Elizabeth Smart's return in their message. HOPE, there has to be HOPE. I think, I would be doing the same. God Bless them!

Personally tho, I am beginning to think whoever abducted Jennifer, was close to her and knew her well. LE should, imo, recheck those who they have cleared. JMO I have my reasons for thinking this, but it is better not to divulge them, as I don't want to start a war of sorts or bash LE. jmo

 

[Myserty64]

Now you might be getting warm La Mer!

When investigating this type of crime LE start with the family and move out from there.
Perhaps they should start over.

 

[Beyond Belief]

We read so many cases, and of course watch so much television on cases that when you have one like Jenns' you just can't understand why there isn't more to go on. I keep wondering about things like, "was there a certain kind of dirt on the floor of the car, was there any grass, fibers, etc that could point towards an area or item."
I have looked at the poi pic till I see him in my sleep.
Why is there so little available in Jenns case?

 

[Bobbisangel]

We read so many cases, and of course watch so much television on cases that when you have one like Jenns' you just can't understand why there isn't more to go on. I keep wondering about things like, "was there a certain kind of dirt on the floor of the car, was there any grass, fibers, etc that could point towards an area or item."
I have looked at the poi pic till I see him in my sleep.
Why is there so little available in Jenns case?

Whoever took Jennifer must not have left even so much as a fingerprint in her car. He must have really covered his butt well. If he grabbed her while she was walking out her door to work he would have probably only touched her as he made her get into the car. He would have only been in the car and evidentally he wiped it down good and then he would have taken her out of the car to where ever he took her.

I wonder if he had moved the seat and mirror in her car when he drove it? By measuring the distance of the seat LE should be able to get an idea of at least how tall this person is. I hope that they found something in her car but just aren't saying anything. Maybe a hair.

Has LE had anyone take polygraphs....like the brother and his friends that stayed at Jennifer's when she was gone? Maybe the friend decided to come over and pick up his cell phone instead of waiting for Jennifer to sent it in the mail. He could have popped over early that morning while she was leaving for work. Just trying to think of who we know of that had contact with Jenn.

 

[fl_sun]

I don't think they could declare Jennifer's condo as a "crime scene" because family members entered her condo, made her bed etc. As a result of all of this, the Kesse's had to describe the condition of her condo when police arrived and since there wasn't anything at all found there, and the fact that her car was found a mile down the street at least 24-48 hours later. I don't think it is a stranger abduction at all.

 

[englishleigh]

I haven't posted much here but I have read a lot and I have always had a weird feeling that the person responsible for Jennifer's disappearance is someone close to her...a person she thought was a friend, or possibly a relative. There was no sign of struggle at all or forced entrance, and the person apparently drove her car. Have they totally cleared the boyfriend? Has he taken a polygraph? I know I have seen him with her parents on the various crime talk shows.

 

[fl_sun]

Not one word has been said about prior boyfriend(s) either which is very unusual. No interviews on TV with friends (like in Natalee Holloway). People are not coming forward (except her parents, Logan and Rob), no one else has been introduced into the media (like Tiffany Souers friends all came to speak on Greta). The media should do more indepth documentary or interviewing of her friends so we can learn more about Jennifer's history (good and bad, I mean we are not all perfect, we all have little things in our lives we would rather forget).

We ALL have to see all the realities in order to help and I just don't think police have time. People are not as judgmental as may be portrayed by some religious zealots, if information is released that may not shine positively toward Jennifer; as no one is absolutely pure and pefect, which is what she is right now from media perspective which turns people off. No she's not a prostitute, not at all, but if she made a mistake somewhere along the lines, like got mixed up with a guy she got rid of, but he wouldn't let go, it has to come out. Is he a drug addict, does he have personal problems.. there has been absolutely NO information whatsoever which sounds volumes that there IS information, personally that is not known by citizens and people who care.

There are a lot of people in general who sincerely want to help but no one wants to feel deceived, lied to or made to trust everyone and be a part of the crowd who are on a "need to know only" basis. We aren't juveniles, we are ADULTS who can draw conclusions like investigators.

 

[13th Juror]

Hi Fl_Sun

I know your giving heart is in the right place in wanting Jenn's disappearance (and probable murder ) resolved. I want that too - we all do. However, I have to respectfully disagree with you and comment on a couple of points in your post.

Not one word has been said about prior boyfriend(s) either which is very unusual. No interviews on TV with friends (like in Natalee Holloway). People are not coming forward (except her parents, Logan and Rob), no one else has been introduced into the media (like Tiffany Souers friends all came to speak on Greta).

Actually, there were several local TV interviews of Jenn's closest girlfriends that aired the first few days & weeks during the massive searches for her. Jenn's friends showed up for the search efforts as well as lending support for the family. (I was there and spoke with several of them.) Quite naturally, the media was more focused on interviewing Jenn's family and Rob, Jenn's most recent love interest.

It's very possible that "the friends" privacy is being protected. This perp that abducted Jenn hasn't been identified - much less apprehended. Could be safety concerns ...

The media should do more indepth documentary or interviewing of her friends so we can learn more about Jennifer's history (good and bad, I mean we are not all perfect, we all have little things in our lives we would rather forget).

Why should 'little things' that a missing woman might wish or choose to forget - be publicized in the media for all to know?

Please understand that there are privacy issues at play here. The media folks have spoken with Jenn's friends & former classmates.

If there was anything germain in Jennifer's history that would shed light on who abducted her - I'm sure LE has been given that information by those who knew her best.

IMO - we, in the public, do not need to delve into the private mistakes or imperfections of Jenn's short life. Out of respect for Jenn & her grieving family - her previous private life that has 'no relevance' to her abduction .. shouldn't be 'opened up' for public consumption.

Real friends respect those privacy boundaries and don't run their mouth unnecessarily to appease the press. It's wise to remember - One cannot un-ring a bell!

We ALL have to see all the realities in order to help and I just don't think police have time.

People are not as judgmental as may be portrayed by some religious zealots, if information is released that may not shine positively toward Jennifer; as no one is absolutely pure and pefect, which is what she is right now from media perspective which turns people off.

Ouch! I must disagree. Most of us form our initial opinions & 'judgements' on a variety of matters every single day. Many people are also 'naturally judgemental' - and that trait is not reserved solely for religious zealots.

I don't think anyone inside or outside of the media is depicting Jenn as pure and perfect. I've never once heard that said. Responsible, reliable & respectable - yes, for sure.

Nor do I feel Jenn's media portrayal is "a turn-off for people". (At least not for me.) She is alleged to be an innocent victim of a bizarre & baffling crime - as pure & simple as that.

I'm a bit perplexed, Fl_sun - and looking for clarification from you. Do you personally feel "turned off" by Jenn's media image? Your posts have not given me that impression.

No she's not a prostitute, not at all, but if she made a mistake somewhere along the lines, like got mixed up with a guy she got rid of, but he wouldn't let go, it has to come out. Is he a drug addict, does he have personal problems.. there has been absolutely NO information whatsoever which sounds volumes that there IS information, personally that is not known by citizens and people who care.

I'm as exasperated as everyone else that there has been absolutely nothing of substance coming out in the media - and 'nothing period' from law enforcement. That said - I wouldn't want to see innocent people's names bandied about in the media just to appease the appetite of the public wanting some tidbit to discuss.

I agree with you that there probably IS 'some information' that is not in the public domain. Info, not known by people who care and just want to help - yes, it's frustrating. But .. let's remember - it's a police matter and some info is just not meant or needed to be shared with anyone other than LE and possibly, the family.

There are a lot of people in general who sincerely want to help but no one wants to feel deceived, lied to or made to trust everyone and be a part of the crowd who are on a "need to know only" basis. We aren't juveniles, we are ADULTS who can draw conclusions like investigators.

Fl_sun .. I know how much you want to help solve this sad & devastating mystery and bring resolution to Jenn's family - me too. But, how do you feel you are being deceived? and by whom? LE? The Media?

Yes, I assume that we are all adults here - but, imo - that doesn't give us any special rights to sensitive, privileged, protected information in a criminal investigation. Unfortunately, there just isn't any information coming forward to argue about or discuss. It's certainly exasperating - but it is what it is.

Maybe - LE is taking a second look at this whole case .. from the beginning on Jan. 23rd/24th to present time.

IMO - Re-examining everything & everyone ... couldn't hurt - but, it very well could bring a positive result.

Haven't heard anything further about the Kesse's impending 'internet blitz'. Anyone else?

JMHO - sorry so l-o-n-g!

13th Juror

 

[fl_sun]

Thank you so much for being so detail oriented. I have corresponded with someone who is very disenchanted with the progress of this case and I share some of his views (Christopher Marlowe) and his words are starting to sink in. It has taken time for me to be deprogrammed from a lot of long held perceptions I have had and taken for granted. If you visit my forum at http://flfiesta.com/forum, he has written several recent articles that outline some of his concerns.

I personally feel like there is a big gap of information or the media involvement stopped too abruptly for a sinister reason unbeknown to me. I don't expect it to be on the National media, but I would think Orlando would embrace it.


I don't want to operate on the premise that she is not alive which is what every one else is doing.

Also, so many people seem to be an authority on the matter, admonishing others on how their responses should be in an attempt to establish finality to the matter as if they already know what the outcome is.

 

[fl_sun]

13th Juror, you are fantastic! I agree!!!!!

 

[ShowerSinger]

Monday will mark 6 months since Jennifer has been missing. (Hard to believe isn't it?)
The family is planning a walk event, and the Improv is doing a fundraiser.
Prayers for this family,
SS

 

[Beyond Belief]

Monday (July 24) marks the 6-month anniversary since Jennifer Kesse disappeared from her condo near the Mall at Millenia in Orlando. Her family, friends and supporters plan to mark the occasion with a "Stand Up for Jennifer" event at the corner of John Young Parkway and Conroy Road, not far from Jennifer's condo and the apartment complex where her car was found a few days after her Jan. 24 disappearance. The event -- from 7:30 to 9 a.m. and 5 to 6 p.m. -- is designed to keep attention focused on the case. There is another "Stand Up for Jennifer" event/fund-raiser scheduled for the Improv in downtown Orlando on Wednesday, Aug. 9. Doors open at 6 p.m. and the event starts officially at 7:30.

A $10 admission/donation is encouraged
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2006/07/stand_up_for_je.html

 

[concernedperson]

Jennifer and Tara are missing for so long. Both crimes in my mind are solvable. I wish there was some resolve.

 

[LaMer]

Jennifer and Tara are missing for so long. Both crimes in my mind are solvable. I wish there was some resolve.

You are so right ConcernedPerson, so long without any new or real clues, it boggles the heart and mind. How people can go 'poof' is so scarry. I google every once in awhile, and tonight I found this article.

The search for Jennifer Kesse: 6 months later
By: Beau Zimmer
Orlando, Florida— January 24th is the Monday morning when investigators believe 24-year-old Jennifer Kesse was leaving for work. She locked the door to her Orlando condominium, and that's where the mystery begins. Her car was dropped off three to four hours later down the street from her home near the Mall of Millennia, and Jennifer Kesse hasn't been seen or heard from since.

Drew Kesse, Missing Woman's Father:
“Honestly she's vanished, and police have used that word. It's a very hard thing to swallow. We know someone knows something.”
Joyce Kesse, Missing Woman's Mother:
“I feel as her mother, she was the prize that someone wanted, and in my gut, it wasn't anything other than someone wanted Jennifer for themselves.”
It's now been six months since Jennifer first disappeared. Her mother remembers the last conversation she had with her daughter the day before she disappeared.

Joyce Kesse, Missing Woman's Mother

I feel blessed that we talked for a half an hour on the phone, and I got to hear all the fun things about her vacation, and then the sadness is that we haven't talked to her since. I talk to her every day, she just doesn't talk back. And I hug her, but I don't get a hug back.

Four months ago, Orlando Police released this image of a person of interest they believe was in the area around the time when Jennifer's car was abandoned.

Since then, investigators have come up with few new leads…

more at link-

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=35938

I don't have much faith in the person of interest either being involved or observing anything, never did for some reason, maybe intuition, I dunno.

Jennifer's disppearance was so clean (not sure that is the right word) but I lean toward the OPD believing when Jenn's car was dropped off at HOTG coinciding when there was viewing of her car by local business's tapes, and possibly they are guessing at that scenario. I say guessing as there were never any pictures shown to the media which were then shown to the public. Maybe it was Jenn's car, maybe it wasn't. I could be wrong.

Then again, why would someone abduct Jennifer from the area of her condo early in the morning and then later risk dropping her car off a few hours later at HOTG, a place so close to where Jenn could've possibly disappeared.

Unless, maybe it was someone who knew Jenn had not been reported missing? Yet!

 

[Bobbisangel]

It seems that so many people just vanish without a clue. Whoever grabbed Jennifer knew what time she left for work and was ready and waiting for her when she came out of her condo and probably got as far as her car. He could have even made her drive while holding a gun on her. We just know that he abducted her without a fuss....and she was gone. The person could have even asked for a ride to a little store or something. Any excuse to get in the car with her and get her out of the condo parking lot. It could have been someone living there or one of the construction workers who had spoken to Jennifer before so he wasn't a total stranger to her. She might not have thought a thing about giving him a ride if it was on her way to work.

I still wonder if there were any fingerprints in or on her car...if the seat and mirror had been moved...any evidence in her car. I never did pay much attention to that picture that LE put on TV because you couldn't really even see anything that would have looked familiar. I could barely tell it was a person and always thought it was probably just someone walking by. We do know that someone did drop her car off at that apt complex and the dogs followed his scent back to Jennifer's condo sidewalk or parking lot.

Like Concerned said...both Jennifer and Tara just vanished without a trace. I have my own thoughts about Tara's case and believe that some people might just be hampering it for their own reasons. I don't think that about Jennifer's case though.

In all honesty, I don't think that either girls are still alive. It's very rare that women this age are taken just so someone can keep them around. Elizabeth Smart was 14 yrs old and the couple are both as crazy as bedbugs. He wanted Elizabeth for a wife. Women aren't usually kept around after the sociopath uses them for whatever purpose he has in mind. I wish they would both be found alive but I will shocked and thrilled if that should happen.

 

[Myserty64]

It's nice to see some new posts on this thread.

This is a sad and mystifying case.
The POI is I believe more than just a person walking by but not the perpetrator, most likely he/she is an accomplice.

How people can simply vanish without trace is beyond me.
However the lack of evidence suggests it was well planned and that indicates it was someone she knew.
If only we knew or more importantly LE knew.

 

[fl_sun]

I STRONGLY believe someone Jennifer and her family knows, is responsible for her dissapearance.

 

[13th Juror]

WFTV News - Orlando - Monday, July 24th

Missing Woman - Think Tank

Tomorrow, Tuesday, July 25th - dozens of officers from local, state & federal law enforcement agencies will learn all that there is to know about the Jennifer Kesse case.

Orlando police detectives plan to convene the group to review the evidence - just in case Jennifer is found in the neighboring jurisdiction. Several of those agencies have assisted in the investigation already but, now they'll learn all of the details and also some suggestions to bring in new leads.

Jennifer's parents think that the new tactic is a good idea - "a different set of eyes .. a different perspective".

There was film footage of Joyce Kesse speaking to the media at today's "Stand Up For Jenn" rally at the Orlando intersection where her parents have rallied for Jenn for 6 months now.

The Kesses are still living in her Orlando condo rather than returning to their Bradenton home.

Joyce said she believes Jenn is still 'out there' and needs to be rescued.

Sorry, No link - this was posted from an 11 pm WFTV newscast that I just viewed.

God Bless Jenn & her devastated family ...


13th Juror

 

[13th Juror]

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In all honesty, I don't think that either girls are still alive. It's very rare that women this age are taken just so someone can keep them around. Elizabeth Smart was 14 yrs old and the couple are both as crazy as bedbugs. He wanted Elizabeth for a wife.

Women aren't usually kept around after the sociopath uses them for whatever purpose he has in mind. I wish they would both be found alive but I will shocked and thrilled if that should happen.

Sadly, I tend to agree with you, BobbisAngel.

As much as I want to believe Joyce Kesse's theory that Jenn is 'out there alive' and was simply abducted by someone who wanted her for himself" - I just can't quite make that stretch anymore. Not that I haven't tried repeatedly.

I sincerely hope this new LE Think Tank (that plans to share all of their knowledge & evidence) can come up with something solid that leads to Jenn &/or her perpetrator.

Keeping the faith for this newly formed team and at the very least - a long awaited resolution for the Kesse family ...


13th Juror

 

[fl_sun]

I feel good about this step. Has anyone considered amnesia or something relating to medication? Lets study the reason WHY a car would be moved to a seedy part of town.